APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

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APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by APOD Robot » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:01 am

Image The Veil Nebula

Explanation: Delicate in appearance, these filaments of shocked, glowing gas, draped in planet Earth's sky toward the constellation of Cygnus, make up the Veil Nebula. The nebula is a large supernova remnant, an expanding cloud born of the death explosion of a massive star. Light from the original supernova explosion likely reached Earth over 5,000 years ago. Also known as the Cygnus Loop, the Veil Nebula now spans nearly 3 degrees or about 6 times the diameter of the full Moon. That translates to over 70 light-years at its estimated distance of 1,500 light-years. In fact, the Veil is so large its brighter parts are recognized as separate nebulae, including The Witch's Broom (NGC 6960) at the bottom of this stunning skyview and Pickering's Triangle (NGC 6979) below and right of center. At the top is the haunting IC 1340.

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by Beyond » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:05 am

Red - white - Blue. How Patriotic!! This should have been shown on July 4th.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by orin stepanek » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:35 am

beyond wrote:Red - white - Blue. How Patriotic!! This should have been shown on July 4th.
Or maybe Halloween; Witches Broom; a Specter? :wink:
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by owlice » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:39 am

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by owlice » Thu Sep 16, 2010 11:53 am

owlice wrote:I'm pretty sure APOD has, indeed, shown the Witch's Broom on Halloween as, I suspect, neufer will demonstrate. :D
Heh! If he does demonstrate it, that'll be a very cool trick indeed, as I'm wrong about the Witch's Broom having ever been a Halloween APOD. I just checked; it's never been.

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by mexhunter » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:03 pm

Veil West, Veil East or Witch's Broom, or is it West?
Why have two names this planetary nebula?
If it is a nebula in expansions, it is appropriate to have several names?
The photo, without question, it is beautiful.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by orin stepanek » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:08 pm

owlice wrote:
owlice wrote:I'm pretty sure APOD has, indeed, shown the Witch's Broom on Halloween as, I suspect, neufer will demonstrate. :D
Heh! If he does demonstrate it, that'll be a very cool trick indeed, as I'm wrong about the Witch's Broom having ever been a Halloween APOD. I just checked; it's never been.

:oops:
I was pretty sure that the Specter In the Eastern Veil was.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by neufer » Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:17 pm

orin stepanek wrote:
owlice wrote:
owlice wrote:I'm pretty sure APOD has, indeed, shown the Witch's Broom on Halloween as, I suspect, neufer will demonstrate. :D
Heh! If he does demonstrate it, that'll be a very cool trick indeed, as I'm wrong about the Witch's Broom having ever been a Halloween APOD. I just checked; it's never been. :oops:
I was pretty sure that the Specter In the Eastern Veil was.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by mexhunter » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:05 pm

Hi Art:
I will continue with the questions:
Will there soon be a second part of Snow White's story ? :mrgreen:
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by mikekangas » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm

If the nebula is at an estimated distance of 1500 light years, why did it take 5000 years for the light from the supernova to reach earth?

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by mikekangas » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:46 pm

Well, I read the original wrong. My bad. I see it would take 6500 years for the nebula to expand to its current size.

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by mikekangas » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:49 pm

Well, maybe I shouldn't post here :) It has taken 5000 years for it to expand to its present size. What we are seeing is what it looked like 1500 years ago.

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by rstevenson » Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:53 pm

I often find that if I talk to myself for a while, I can figure out most anything. :D

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by Actual_Human » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:19 pm

The lower half of the image sort of looks like the nebula is an edge-on loop slightly tilted. Is this truly the view we are able to see or just a trick of the lighting and coloring? And if it is edge-on (cool!) it appears there is a decently bright object in the center, the remnants of the star?

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by neufer » Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:54 pm

rstevenson wrote:
mikekangas wrote:If the nebula is at an estimated distance of 1500 light years, why did it take 5000 years for the light from the supernova to reach earth?
mikekangas wrote:Well, I read the original wrong. My bad. I see it would take 6500 years for the nebula to expand to its current size.
mikekangas wrote:Well, maybe I shouldn't post here :) It has taken 5000 years for it to expand to its present size.
What we are seeing is what it looked like 1500 years ago.
I often find that if I talk to myself for a while, I can figure out most anything. :D
http://www.abacon.com/berk/ica/research.html wrote:
Why Children Talk to Themselves
Scientific American, pp. 78-83.
Berk, L. E. (1994, November).
<<As any parent, teacher, sitter or casual observer will notice, young children talk to themselves - sometimes as much or even more than they talk to other people. Depending on the situation, this private speech can account for 20 to 60 percent of the remarks a child younger than 10 years makes.

In Russia more than six decades ago, Lev S. Vygotsky, a prominent psychologist, first documented the importance of private speech. In fear, Soviet psychologists turned on one another. Some declared Vygotsky a renegade, and several of his colleagues and students split from his circle. The Communist party scheduled a critical "discussion" in which Vygotsky's ideas would be the major target. But in 1934, before Vygotsky could replicate and extend his preliminary studies or defend his position to the party, he died of tuberculosis. Two years later the Communist party banned his published work.

"The most significant moment in the course of intellectual development," Vygotsky wrote, "...occurs when speech and practical activity, two previously completely independent lines of development, converge." Vygotsky proposed that early social communication precipitates private speech. He maintained that social communication gives rise to all uniquely human, higher cognitive processes.

By communicating with mature members ( :p: ) of society ,
children learn to master activities and think in ways that have meaning in their culture.


As the child gains mastery over his or her behavior, private speech need not occur in a fully expanded form; the self, after all, is an extremely understanding listener. Consequently, children omit words and phrases that refer to things they already know about a given situation. They state only those aspects that still seem puzzling. Once their cognitive operations become well practiced, children start to "think words" rather than saying them. Gradually, private speech becomes internalized as silent, inner speech - those conscious dialogues we hold with ourselves while thinking and acting. Nevertheless, the need to engage in private speech never disappears. Whenever we encounter unfamiliar or demanding activities in our lives, private speech resurfaces. It is a tool that helps us overcome obstacles and acquire new skills.>>
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by Ann » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:13 pm

Am I the only one who sees an owl in this image, although with surprisingly human "legs" emerging from beneath her dress?
Are you sure you aren't flying around with the Swan on Halloween, Owlice?

Thanks for making me pay attention to this funny shape. Supernovae remnants aren't my favorite objects at all, and this one often bores me to tears, but the Owl in IC 1340 certainly brightens the Veil!

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by owlice » Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:51 pm

Dang; I've been outed!
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by neufer » Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:15 pm

owlice wrote:
Dang; I've been outed!
And folks accuse me of being nebish nebulous.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by icehouse » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:03 pm

Where's the black hole that accompanied the supernova?

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by Joe » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:40 pm

Would anyone consider that the Veil Nebula is the remnants of an exploded electric Double Layer that was surrounding the progenitor stellar object ?

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by neufer » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:43 pm

Joe wrote:Would anyone consider that the Veil Nebula is the remnants of an exploded electric Double Layer that was surrounding the progenitor stellar object ?
No.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by neufer » Thu Sep 16, 2010 5:47 pm

icehouse wrote:Where's the black hole that accompanied the supernova?
Supposedly it is hidden in the blackground.
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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by hstarbuck » Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:42 pm

Did anyone else try to view it with 3-D glasses? Thought it was possible that writers left that out. Although it looks cool with the glasses it does not really pop out.

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by rayfil » Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:46 am

That nebula must be receeding very rapidly from our solar system. On November 1, 2008, when IC 1340 was shown on APOD, the estimated distance of the Veil nebula was stated at 1,400 light years. Today, 2 years later, it is stated at 1,500 light years! :? :roll:

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Re: APOD: The Veil Nebula (2010 Sep 16)

Post by owlice » Fri Sep 17, 2010 8:50 am

Until a few years ago, astronomers placed the Cygnus Loop, and therefore the Veil Nebula, more than 2,500 light years distant. In 1999, astronomers using the Hubble Space Telescope revised that estimate to 40 percent closer, or 1,470 light years. Nevertheless, uncertainties and assumptions used in making that estimate left some researchers unpersuaded. In 2003, a team of researchers used data from the FUSE satellite to measure accurately the distance to a star lying behind the Loop; this value, of 1,860 light-years, places an upper boundary on the distance to the Loop and provides an independent confirmation of the shorter distance scale.
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Unless one is planning to visit, I suspect exact distance doesn't matter all that much.
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