APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

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APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by APOD Robot » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:07 am

Image Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow

Explanation: How can the Moon rise through a mountain? It cannot -- what was photographed here is a moonrise through the shadow of a large volcano. The volcano is Mauna Kea, Hawai'i, USA, a frequent spot for spectacular photographs since it is arguably the premier observing location on planet Earth. The Sun has just set in the opposite direction, behind the camera. Additionally, the Moon has just passed full phase -- were it precisely at full phase it would rise, possibly eclipsed, at the very peak of the shadow. Refraction of moonlight through the Earth's atmosphere makes the Moon appear slightly oval. Cinder cones from old volcanic eruptions are visible in the foreground. Cloud tops below Mauna Kea's summit have unusually flat tops, indicating a decrease in air moisture that frequently keeps the air unusually dry, another attribute of this stellar observing site.

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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by Céline Richard » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:32 am

Hello,

I love this picture!
We have a wonderful image of our origins. Indeed, life depends on light (the Sun), which is born in the Oceans : here, the light (the Sun) comes from a sea (ocean) of clouds, in this picture. Both the volcano and its shadow look like waves on the ocean :D .

It is so surprising :o to see the moon inside a "mountain", actually its shadow...

I don't understand something : a shadow usually appears on to the ground, or something like that. However, here, it seems the volcano creates a shadow on the atmosphere, is it true? Or above which other "screen" does the shadow appears?

Thank you a lot for this picture, have a very good day!

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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by orin stepanek » Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:29 pm

It is indeed; beautiful. 8-) 8-)
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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by neufer » Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:53 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Providence wrote: <<The Eye of Providence, or the all-seeing eye of God, is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light or a glory and usually enclosed by a triangle. It is sometimes interpreted as representing the eye of God watching over humankind. It appears in Buddhism, where Buddha is also regularly referred to as the "Eye of the World" throughout Buddhist scriptures (e.g. Mahaparinibbana Sutta) and is represented as a trinity in the shape of a triangle known as the Tiratna, or Triple Gem.

Imagery of an all-seeing eye can be traced back to Egyptian mythology and the Eye of Horus. Horus was the ancient Egyptian sky god who was usually depicted as a falcon. His right eye was associated with the sun Ra. The eye symbol represents the marking around a Peregrine Falcon's eye that includes the "teardrop" marking sometimes found below the eye. The mirror image, or left eye, sometimes represented the moon and the god Djehuti (Thoth).

In Medieval and Renaissance European iconography, the Eye (often with the addition of an enclosing triangle) was an explicit image of the Christian Trinity. Seventeenth-century depictions of the Eye of Providence sometimes show it surrounded by clouds or sun bursts.

In 1782, the Eye of Providence was adopted as part of the symbolism on the reverse side of the Great Seal of the United States. It was first suggested as an element of the Great Seal by the first of three design committees in 1776 and is thought to be the suggestion of the artistic consultant, Pierre Eugene du Simitiere.

On the seal, the Eye is surrounded by the words Annuit Cœptis, meaning "He approves (or has approved)undertakings", and Novus Ordo Seclorum, meaning "New Order of the Ages". The Eye is positioned above an unfinished pyramid with thirteen steps, representing the original thirteen states and the future growth of the country. The lowest level of the pyramid shows the year 1776 in Roman numerals. The combined implication is that the Eye, or God, favors the prosperity of the United States.

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Today, the Eye of Providence is usually associated with Freemasonry. The Eye first appeared as part of the standard iconography of the Freemasons in 1797, with the publication of Thomas Smith Webb's Freemasons Monitor. Here, it represents the all-seeing eye of God and is a reminder that a Mason's thoughts and deeds are always observed by God (who is referred to in Masonry as the Great Architect of the Universe). Typically, the Masonic Eye of Providence has a semi-circular glory below the eye. Sometimes the Eye is enclosed by a triangle.

Popular among conspiracy theorists is the claim that the Eye of Providence shown atop an unfinished pyramid on the Great Seal of the United States indicates the influence of Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. This was dramatized in the 2004 Disney film National Treasure.>>
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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:19 pm

Céline Richard wrote:I don't understand something : a shadow usually appears on to the ground, or something like that. However, here, it seems the volcano creates a shadow on the atmosphere, is it true? Or above which other "screen" does the shadow appears?
Shadows on the atmosphere are common. The Belt of Venus, crepuscular rays, cloud shadows, the Brocken Spectre- all are shadows on the atmosphere.

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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by Céline Richard » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:10 pm

Hello Chris,
Chris Peterson wrote:Shadows on the atmosphere are common. The Belt of Venus, crepuscular rays, cloud shadows, the Brocken Spectre- all are shadows on the atmosphere.
This is very interesting, thank you.
Now, I remember the "anticrepuscular ray" picture (APOD). I suppose this is another example of shadow on the atmosphere...

Actually, your picture appears so strange :o It looks like a big lightning, or as if the sky was opening :D
Could you explain me what is a "Contrail Shadow", on the picture you attached here, to set an example?

Thank you for your website. I think what i prefer is the part "Archeoastronomy".
I hope you will complete this part, or put another water lily (very beautiful!).
Have a very good day!

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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:23 pm

Céline Richard wrote:Actually, your picture appears so strange :o It looks like a big lightning, or as if the sky was opening :D
Could you explain me what is a "Contrail Shadow", on the picture you attached here, to set an example?
The image shows the contrail of a jet that has recently flown overhead, towards where I took the picture. The Sun is overhead, off the top of the image, and right in line with the contrail (the Sun, the contrail, and myself are all on the same geometric plane). (While the contrail appears to be perpendicular to the ground, I can assure you there was no plane crash; it is parallel to the ground.) Because the Sun is above and somewhat forward of the contrail, there is a shadow below and behind that contrail. The atmosphere scatters light, of course- that's why the sky is blue- and you can see that scatter as some haze over the valley. In the shadow of the contrail, there is less light to scatter, so the background mountains are less washed out.

We talk about shadows like they are "things", but of course, they are really just the visual manifestation of something that is missing: light.
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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by owlice » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:02 pm

Céline,
contrail = condensation trail = a trail of water vapor from a jet. See here for more information.

Chris,
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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Keas Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by Remo » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:13 am

The mountain shadow is actually anticepuscular rays going around the outside of the mountain and converging at infinity. As a result, it turns out that mountain shadows projected on to the atmosphere are triangular.

On a different note, the following statement in the notes is false:

"Additionally, the Moon has just passed full phase -- were it precisely at full phase it would rise, possibly eclipsed, at the very peak of the shadow."

The moon does not follow the ecliptic. This means that only rarely (~2x per year) would it rise at the "peak of the shadow" Normally, it would be either north or south of this point. However, at full, it would be at the same elevation as the peak of the shadow.

Based on the moon being in the shadow and close to the peak, it looks like it is just 3 or 4 hours past full. (The moon travels about 1 diameter per hour against the background stars), However, the refraction of the atmosphere will make it visible even if close, but below the horizon so that screws up the calculations a little in this case. Of note, if the moon were a little farther north or south, it would be outside of the mountain's shadow. And even though both it and the sun would be visible, it would still be past full in that the observatory is able to look "down" on both.

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Re: APOD: Moonrise Through Mauna Kea's Shadow (2010 Dec 05)

Post by neufer » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:32 pm

Remo wrote:
On a different note, the following statement in the notes is false:

"Additionally, the Moon has just passed full phase -- were it precisely at full phase it would rise, possibly eclipsed, at the very peak of the shadow."

The moon does not follow the ecliptic. This means that only rarely (~2x per year) would it rise at the "peak of the shadow" Normally, it would be either north or south of this point. However, at full, it would be at the same elevation as the peak of the shadow.

Based on the moon being in the shadow and close to the peak, it looks like it is just 3 or 4 hours past full. (The moon travels about 1 diameter per hour against the background stars), However, the refraction of the atmosphere will make it visible even if close, but below the horizon so that screws up the calculations a little in this case. Of note, if the moon were a little farther north or south, it would be outside of the mountain's shadow. And even though both it and the sun would be visible, it would still be past full in that the observatory is able to look "down" on both.
The diagram to the right shows a set of full moons passing
both above & below the Earth's umbral/penumbral shadows.

The very peak of the Mauna Kea's Shadow (as observed from the very peak of the Mauna Kea) presumably lies about halfway between the top of the umbral shadow and the top of the penumbral shadow. If a full Moon were to rise totally eclipsed, it would be about two moon diameters directly below the very peak of Mauna Kea's shadow. As Remo states, the Sun appears to be about 3 or 4 hours past full; hence, about 3 or 4 moon diameters off to the left.

If a Moon precisely at full phase were to rise at the very peak of Mauna Kea's shadow it would probably be partially eclipsed (depending somewhat upon refraction effects).
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