Starship Asterisk*

Motanius wrote:
http://twanight.org/newTWAN/case.asp

Everything I'm seeing in this video makes sense to me except for this: One satellite bottom center of vid. As per the creator, "All of the satellites in this highway has moved about 2.5 degrees during the 10 minute shooting period, equal to 360 degrees for a complete 24 hours." As can be seen this is true for almost every streak. All progression is almost uniform, even off geostat. This does not apply to the satellite I'm seeing however. This satellite easily moves twice that distance over the course of the video, yet appears to follow the same path as the others. Why is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit wrote:
<<A semi-synchronous orbit has an orbital period of 1/2 sidereal day, i.e., 11 h 58 min. Relative to the Earth's surface it has twice this period, and hence appears to go around the Earth twice every day. Examples include the Molniya orbit and the orbits of the satellites in the Global Positioning System.>>

Oldfart wrote:Chris, perhaps we'll need to send a "janitor" satellite up there someday to sweep up the dead stuff. Or will the dead ones drift away within a reasonable time due to being perturbed by the moon and sun's gravity?

evofxdwg wrote:The movie appears to have 3 main orbital planes (along with some apparently less used orbits). Based on discussion above, two of them are geosynchronus but not geostationary. If they all have the same orbital period (1 day), dont each pair of orbital rings have to cross each other at two points, leading to a high probability of collision?

I dont know anything about how often a satellite has to be "moved" or corrected. But if some of these are old "junk" they cannot be moved anymore....right?

neufer wrote:

Chris Peterson wrote:

neufer wrote:

Chris Peterson wrote:There is no possible way to achieve a geostationary orbit except over the equator.

The optimal position of a statite satellite...

There are any number of ways to place an object in a geostationary position if you have energy available to keep it there, and an active control system. But I wouldn't use the term "orbit" to describe the path of a statite satellite.

• orbit: The line followed by a spacecraft or a celestial body.
  
  orbit: the path that an object makes, around another object, while under the influence of some force.
  
  ORBIT, n. [L. orbita, a trace or track, from orbis, a wheel.] In astronomy, the path of a planet or comet;
  the curve line which a planet describes in its periodical revolution round its central body.
  Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1828)

neufer wrote:

Chris Peterson wrote:There is no possible way to achieve a geostationary orbit except over the equator.

The optimal position of a statite satellite...

http://www.tomswift.info/homepage/outpost.html wrote:

• "Tom," said his father, "Mr. William Bruce is from the Consolidated Broadcasting Network, and is chairman of this committee of engineers from the major broadcasting companies. They've come to discuss a very important problem with us."
  
  The group took seats, then Mr. Bruce addressed the Swifts. "I'll state our problem at once. As you know, high-frequency-signal coverage in its present form is far from being efficient. Distances are short, requiring many relay stations. Sometimes there's distortion. Also, sunspots or magnetic storms may wreck the broadcast completely."
  
  "In fact," he went on, "any reliable system of short-wave broadcasting over great distances is practically hopeless with our present methods. However, there's one solution to this problem--"Though as a scientist, you've no doubt guessed what I'm about to propose."
  
  "A space station?" Tom burst out in his enthusiasm.
  
  Bruce nodded. "Exactly. Our committee has come to the conclusion that it's the only way we can hope to lick our broadcasting troubles--that is, by setting up a platform in space to which we can beam radio signals and have them relayed directly back to earth. Naturally, this would be a huge project. But we feel that Swift Enterprises is well fitted to undertake the job.">>

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<<Summary: Extracted from the dustjacket of the book:

• A space station 22,300 miles above the earth is Tom Swift Jr.'s latest project!
  
  Tom's plans for his gigantic hub-and-spoke outpost of the universe calls for twelve laboratories. Solar batteries will be produced in one laboratory, another will be a celestial observatory, and another a radio broadcasting and TV station relaying programs over one third of the earth.
  
  But the project is beset from the start by a fiendish enemy, and also that weird phantom of outer space, Zero Gravity.
  
  Tom comes to grips with the problem of weightlessness by inventing a Zero chamber. Here, in order to master the helpless feeling encountered in space, men are trained to develop a new set of muscular reflexes. Crewmen crawling like flies up and down the walls and across the ceiling of Zero G creates momentary comic relief.
  
  But this is only a prelude to an exciting drama which takes place on a Pacific island, where Tom's rocket fleet is about to blast off. Strange warnings that terrify the natives nearly wreck Tom's plans. How the young scientist overcomes all obstacles and launches his space station makes a gripping book. And each technical detail of this fascinating story has been carefully checked. For those who enjoy the thrill of adventure and the chill of mystery, Outpost In Space is must reading.>>

Chris Peterson wrote:There is no possible way to achieve a geostationary orbit except over the equator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statite wrote:
<<A statite (a portmanteau of static and satellite) is a hypothetical type of artificial satellite that employs a solar sail to continuously modify its orbit in ways that gravity alone would not allow. Typically, a statite would use the solar sail to "hover" in a location that would not otherwise be available as a stable geosynchronous orbit. Statites have been proposed that would remain in fixed locations high over Earth's poles, using reflected sunlight to counteract the gravity pulling them down.


The concept of the statite was invented by Robert L. Forward. No statites have been deployed to date, as solar sail technology is still in its infancy.>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thruster wrote:
<<Dawn was launched on 27 September 2007 to explore the asteroid Vesta and the dwarf planet Ceres. To cruise from Earth to its targets it uses three Deep Space 1 heritage Xenon ion thrusters (firing only one at a time) to take it in a long outward spiral. Dawn's ion drive is capable of accelerating from 0 to 60 mph (97 km/h) in 4 days.>>

biddie67 wrote:I think that it was taken in the northern hemisphere, looking south with the camera and stars sweeping westward to the right ((?))...

biddie67 wrote:If a satellite is in a geosynchronous orbit with the Earth but off the plane of the equator, wouldn't it still appear geostationary to an observer on the Earth? I'm guessing that its elevation and speed might be different than the official geostationary satellites ????

Because that matches Earth's rotation period, it is known as a geosynchronous orbit. If that orbit is also in the plane of the equator, the satellite will hang in the sky over a fixed location in a geostationary orbit.

NSS wrote:If they are geostationary, then why are they moving? Therse streaks all must be the dead de commissioned birds getting out of the way. As they say.

cybermystic wrote:The guy's name is Arthur C Clarke (with an "e" on the end), please correct typo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_C._Clarke#Concept_of_the_geostationary_communications_satellite wrote:
<<Though different from Clarke's idea of telecom relay, the idea of communicating with satellites in geostationary orbit itself had been described earlier. For example, the concept of geostationary satellites was described in Hermann Oberth's 1923 book Die Rakete zu den Planetenräumen (The Rocket into Interplanetary Space) and then the idea of radio communication with those satellites in Herman Potočnik's (written under the pseudonym Hermann Noordung) 1928 book _The Problem of Space Travel_ : Providing for Long Distance Communications and Safety and (possibly referring to the idea of relaying messages via satellite, but not that 3 would be optimal) Observing and Researching the Earth's Surface published in Berlin. Clarke acknowledged the earlier concept in his book Profiles of the Future.>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Poto%C4%8Dnik wrote:
<<Herman Potočnik (pseudonym Hermann Noordung) (December 22, 1892 - August 27, 1929) was a Slovene rocket engineer and pioneer of cosmonautics (astronautics). At the end of 1928, he published his sole book, Das Problem der Befahrung des Weltraums - der Raketen-Motor (The Problem of Space Travel - The Rocket Motor) in Berlin. The publisher, Richard Carl Schmidt, printed the year 1929 as a publishing date, probably from a purely business motive (to keep the book looking new throughout the coming year) and this date is often mistakenly given as the actual date of publication. In 188 pages and 100 handmade illustrations, Potočnik set out a plan for a breakthrough into space and the establishment of a permanent human presence there. He conceived a space station in detail and was the first man to calculate the geostationary orbit, on which the station would orbit the Earth. He described the use of orbiting spacecraft for detailed observation of the ground for peaceful and military purposes, and described how the special conditions of space could be useful for scientific experiments. Potočnik expressed strong doubts of the potentially destructive military use of these fresh discoveries.

The book was translated into Russian in early 1935, Slovene in 1986 (by the Slovenska matica), English in 1999 (by NASA) and Croatian in 2004 (by Marino Fonović, published by Labin Art Press). A partial translation in English, containing most of the essential chapters, was made as early as 1929 for the American magazine Science Wonder Stories and was issued in three parts (July, August and September 1929).

With his many ideas he became one of the founders of astronautics. His concepts were first taken seriously only by the amateur rocketry movement in Germany, the Verein für Raumschiffahrt (VfR - "Spaceflight Society"), centered on Hermann Oberth and his co-workers. In its Russian edition, the book may also have influenced Sergey Korolev's circle. More locally, Viennese engineers dismissed his work as fantasy.

Potočnik's book described geostationary satellites (first put forward by Konstantin Tsiolkovsky) and discussed communication between them and the ground using radio, but fell short of the idea of using satellites for mass broadcasting and as telecommunications relays (developed by Arthur C. Clarke in his Wireless World article of 1945). The wheel-shaped space station served as an inspiration for further development by Wernher von Braun (another former VfR member) in 1953. Von Braun saw orbiting space stations as a stepping stone to travel to other planets. In 1968, Stanley Kubrick's ground-breaking film, 2001: A Space Odyssey, depicted such a role for "Space Station V.">>

Description of a space station in Hermann Noordung's The Problem of Space Travel (1929).

(Legend: Achs-Körper: axle body. Aufzugschacht: elevator shaft. K: electric cable to an external observatory. Kondensatorrohre: condenser pipes. S: airlock. Treppenschacht: stairwell. Verdamfungsrohr: boiler pipe).>>

Chris Peterson wrote:The image shows eight or ten geostationary satellites traveling along a path passing through M42. It shows another eight or ten that are at inclinations other than 0°, and are therefore not geostationary. These are either geosynchronous satellites, or formerly geostationary satellites that have been boosted out of the geostationary band in order to free up their spot for another satellite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit wrote:
<<Geostationary orbits can be achieved only very close to the ring 35,786 km high, directly above the equator. This equates to an orbital velocity of 3.07 km/s or a period of 1436 minutes, which equates to almost exactly one sidereal day or 23.934461223 hours. This makes sense considering that the satellite must be locked to the Earth's rotational period in order to have a stationary footprint on the ground. In practice this means that all geostationary satellites have to exist on this ring, which poses problems for satellites that will be decommissioned at the end of their service lives (e.g. when they run out of thruster fuel). Such satellites will either continue to be used in inclined orbits (where the orbital track appears to follow a [daily mini-analemma like] figure-of-eight loop centered on the equator), or else be elevated to a "graveyard" disposal orbit.>>