APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

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Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Amir » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:19 am

Thanks Chris and Geckzilla. :)

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:58 am

geckzilla wrote:If you have a Rebel XT like I do, this is the best I could find... afaik there is no adapter available. Just FYI: http://www.unmaintained.com/forums/thread/63.aspx
Right, Canon doesn't make an adapter. But the mod is trivial- didn't take me five minutes.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Case » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:54 am

moonstruck wrote: Does every single star that we see have a name or number somewhere?
Many efforts have been made to catalogue the brighter stars. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_catalogue
One of the biggest whole sky catalogues (USNO-B1.0) contains about a billion objects, mostly stars (but a few distant galaxies crept in).

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by moonstruck » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:18 am

Wow, thanks guys. That's a lot of information for just one day on the forum. Does every single star that we see have a name or number somewhere?

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by geckzilla » Fri Jun 18, 2010 10:36 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Amir wrote:are there specific cameras that can be programmed like this? for example is it possible to take these shots with "Canon 500D" in the programmed way? because 40D's cable release is different from 500D's. there are two models for Canon 500D (RS-60E3 & RC-1/RC-5) which i doubt calling them smart --they can just trigger the shutter and lock it!
I use the Canon TC-80N3 smart cable release. It works with all Canon DSLRs, but you need to make a little connector adapter to use it with the older models. I think it works without modification with both the 500D and the 40D.
If you have a Rebel XT like I do, this is the best I could find... afaik there is no adapter available. Just FYI: http://www.unmaintained.com/forums/thread/63.aspx

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:36 pm

Amir wrote:but i guess TC-80N3 would not work with 500D without modification. TC-80N3 is not mentioned among accessories for 500D in Canon's website; besides TC-80N3 uses "N3 Connector" whiles 500D takes "E3 Connector" (2.5-mm phone plug).
how can i make an adapter to connect N3 to E3 Connector? do you think it'll be ok if i just connect Tip, Ring & Sleeve of E3 to Expose, Common & Focus pins of N3?
I use the TC-80N3 with a 350D, which also has a 2.5mm connector. Both connectors use the same three signals. There are descriptions on the Internet for performing various mods. You can either cut the connector off and replace it with the phone plug, or use some wire to make pins for the existing connector, and hook those up to the phone connector (which is what I did).

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Case » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:24 pm

bystander wrote:
moonstruck wrote:Also there seems to be three or four star trails just outside of the north star. Is that another stars trail or is it the north stars own trail?
Polaris is not directly above the North Pole, so, yes, the bright white star trail is Polaris. The other dimmer, more yellow star trails are ... Hmmm, I don't know ...
That region is about the only place where I can identify a few stars (using a star map), because the position is kinda clear with regard to Polaris.
Image
1 - Polaris (α UMi); 2 - HD 5914; 3 - λ UMi; 4 - HD 107192; 5 - Yildun (δ UMi); 6 - HD 51802; 7 - HD 5848; 8 - HD 212710; 9 - HD 36905

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Guest » Fri Jun 18, 2010 6:56 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Guest wrote:Hmm.... Ok. I have another question. How do you take an image like this: http://masslessparticles.files.wordpres ... _usno1.jpg
Obviously very dark nights are needed...But how do you take it?
The thing that makes an image like this tricky is that the sky exposure is long enough (a few minutes, probably) to require tracking. But if you track the sky, you motion blur the foreground.

The most common way to make an image like this is to composite separate sky and foreground images. I suspect that is what was done with this image, since there is a slightly unnatural looking boundary between the edge of the mountains and the sky.
Alright, thanks :)

-Hannah-

"When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers,The moon and the stars that you have prepared, What is mortal man that you keep him in mind, And the son of earthling man that you take care of him?"

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by moonstruck » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:41 pm

Gee that was fast. Thanks, bystander.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Amir » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:38 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:I use the Canon TC-80N3 smart cable release. It works with all Canon DSLRs, but you need to make a little connector adapter to use it with the older models. I think it works without modification with both the 500D and the 40D.
but i guess TC-80N3 would not work with 500D without modification. TC-80N3 is not mentioned among accessories for 500D in Canon's website; besides TC-80N3 uses "N3 Connector" whiles 500D takes "E3 Connector" (2.5-mm phone plug).
how can i make an adapter to connect N3 to E3 Connector? do you think it'll be ok if i just connect Tip, Ring & Sleeve of E3 to Expose, Common & Focus pins of N3?

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by bystander » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:34 pm

moonstruck wrote:Hi all, I'm a first time poster and a long time lurker. I've been admiring the APOD site for many years. It's a first do thing after checking my email. I used to check the Digg site some, but there wasn't much useful information coming from there. Mostly people calling each other Idiots and morons or complaining about something or another.
That's a beautiful picture today. Someone must really put in lots of effort to get a beautiful shot like that. I notice that the north star isn't quiet in the center. Is that because it's not exactly in the center in relation to the earth's axis or maybe because of the wobbling of the earth on its axis? Also there seems to be three or four star trails just outside of the north star. Is that another stars trail or is it the north stars own trail? :| Thanks.
Polaris is not directly above the North Pole, so, yes, the bright white star trail is Polaris. The other dimmer, more yellow star trails are ... Hmmm, I don't know ...

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by moonstruck » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:27 pm

Hi all, I'm a first time poster and a long time lurker. I've been admiring the APOD site for many years. It's a first do thing after checking my email. I used to check the Digg site some, but there wasn't much useful information coming from there. Mostly people calling each other Idiots and morons or complaining about something or another.
That's a beautiful picture today. Someone must really put in lots of effort to get a beautiful shot like that. I notice that the north star isn't quiet in the center. Is that because it's not exactly in the center in relation to the earth's axis or maybe because of the wobbling of the earth on its axis? Also there seems to be three or four star trails just outside of the north star. Is that another stars trail or is it the north stars own trail? :| Thanks.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:07 pm

Amir wrote:are there specific cameras that can be programmed like this? for example is it possible to take these shots with "Canon 500D" in the programmed way? because 40D's cable release is different from 500D's. there are two models for Canon 500D (RS-60E3 & RC-1/RC-5) which i doubt calling them smart --they can just trigger the shutter and lock it!
I use the Canon TC-80N3 smart cable release. It works with all Canon DSLRs, but you need to make a little connector adapter to use it with the older models. I think it works without modification with both the 500D and the 40D.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Amir » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:56 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:I'd make an image like this at ISO 200 or ISO 400, with the lens reduced one or two stops from maximum (to reduce aberrations), and I'd use a smart cable release, that can be programmed to shoot a sequence automatically (an inexpensive Canon accessory). Then I'd stack the subframes in Photoshop.
are there specific cameras that can be programmed like this? for example is it possible to take these shots with "Canon 500D" in the programmed way? because 40D's cable release is different from 500D's. there are two models for Canon 500D (RS-60E3 & RC-1/RC-5) which i doubt calling them smart --they can just trigger the shutter and lock it!

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Beyond » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:49 pm

Owlice, my guess was "running". But ya know - rideing a bicycle is kinda like running in place, except that you are moving.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:38 pm

Guest wrote:Hmm.... Ok. I have another question. How do you take an image like this: http://masslessparticles.files.wordpres ... _usno1.jpg
Obviously very dark nights are needed...But how do you take it?
The thing that makes an image like this tricky is that the sky exposure is long enough (a few minutes, probably) to require tracking. But if you track the sky, you motion blur the foreground.

The most common way to make an image like this is to composite separate sky and foreground images. I suspect that is what was done with this image, since there is a slightly unnatural looking boundary between the edge of the mountains and the sky.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Guest » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:18 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
WildGuruLarry wrote:Based on the length of the star trails (about 45 degrees), it looks like it was a 3 hour exposure. With digital cameras, quite often you can take multiple shorter exposures and "stack" them, but I never could figure out how you could stack star trail images without getting gaps in the trails. If anyone can explain that to me, please do. :)

You can definitely take an image like this with your 40D. The simplest way would be to get a shutter cable (one that can lock the button down), and lock it down for 3 hours. For an exposure of that length, you will need a really dark place no matter what aperture or ISO settings you use. :)
You can't take a 3-hour exposure with a 40D, or with any DLSR. The dark current is too high, and the pixels will fill up from that and obscure any actual image. DSLRs give the best long exposure results for 5-10 minute images. An image like this is made as you first suggest- a lot of short images are stacked together. You do sometimes see star trail images that show gaps in the trails. However, newer DSLRs like the 40D are capable of writing an image so quickly that there is less than a second between the end of one frame and the beginning of the next. That's short enough to make gap too narrow to see in a wide field image like this (stars along the celestial equator only move 15 arcseconds in a second; nearer the pole it's less; this image has a scale of around 200 arcseconds per pixel).

I'd make an image like this at ISO 200 or ISO 400, with the lens reduced one or two stops from maximum (to reduce aberrations), and I'd use a smart cable release, that can be programmed to shoot a sequence automatically (an inexpensive Canon accessory). Then I'd stack the subframes in Photoshop.

Hmm.... Ok. I have another question. How do you take an image like this:
http://masslessparticles.files.wordpres ... _usno1.jpg

Obviously very dark nights are needed...But how do you take it?

-Hannah-

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Christine » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:36 pm

Thanks, Leon! I thought it was Venus, but wasn't sure, especially with the wiggling!

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by owlice » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:33 pm

beyond wrote:Owlice to the rescue again!! Yahoo! And might i enquire about the meaning of your new signature??
Bicycling, beyond, bicycling! I'm still slow, but faster than last year (yay!)! :ssmile:

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:19 pm

WildGuruLarry wrote:Based on the length of the star trails (about 45 degrees), it looks like it was a 3 hour exposure. With digital cameras, quite often you can take multiple shorter exposures and "stack" them, but I never could figure out how you could stack star trail images without getting gaps in the trails. If anyone can explain that to me, please do. :)

You can definitely take an image like this with your 40D. The simplest way would be to get a shutter cable (one that can lock the button down), and lock it down for 3 hours. For an exposure of that length, you will need a really dark place no matter what aperture or ISO settings you use. :)
You can't take a 3-hour exposure with a 40D, or with any DLSR. The dark current is too high, and the pixels will fill up from that and obscure any actual image. DSLRs give the best long exposure results for 5-10 minute images. An image like this is made as you first suggest- a lot of short images are stacked together. You do sometimes see star trail images that show gaps in the trails. However, newer DSLRs like the 40D are capable of writing an image so quickly that there is less than a second between the end of one frame and the beginning of the next. That's short enough to make gap too narrow to see in a wide field image like this (stars along the celestial equator only move 15 arcseconds in a second; nearer the pole it's less; this image has a scale of around 200 arcseconds per pixel).

I'd make an image like this at ISO 200 or ISO 400, with the lens reduced one or two stops from maximum (to reduce aberrations), and I'd use a smart cable release, that can be programmed to shoot a sequence automatically (an inexpensive Canon accessory). Then I'd stack the subframes in Photoshop.

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Beyond » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:01 pm

Owlice to the rescue again!! Yahoo! And might i enquire about the meaning of your new signature??

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by León » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:53 pm

Transcribe what the author said of the movie today in Apod in Spanish for the curious trace left, "the stroke to the left is Venus, and finally makes some strange movements because of low clouds."

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Christine » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:38 pm

Can anyone tell me what that bright one is at lower left, and why it's fuzzy (like a seismograph) when none of the others are?

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by Guest » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:22 pm

WildGuruLarry wrote:Based on the length of the star trails (about 45 degrees), it looks like it was a 3 hour exposure. With digital cameras, quite often you can take multiple shorter exposures and "stack" them, but I never could figure out how you could stack star trail images without getting gaps in the trails. If anyone can explain that to me, please do. :)

You can definitely take an image like this with your 40D. The simplest way would be to get a shutter cable (one that can lock the button down), and lock it down for 3 hours. For an exposure of that length, you will need a really dark place no matter what aperture or ISO settings you use. :)
Alright, thank you! I didn't think I'd get such an immediat response! Thanks! :) I will have to get a shutter cable. That's what I thought I had to do. I'm going campingin August, so that'll be perfect time to do it! ;)

Re: APOD: Star Trails and Tajinastes (2010 Jun 18)

by WildGuruLarry » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:12 pm

Based on the length of the star trails (about 45 degrees), it looks like it was a 3 hour exposure. With digital cameras, quite often you can take multiple shorter exposures and "stack" them, but I never could figure out how you could stack star trail images without getting gaps in the trails. If anyone can explain that to me, please do. :)

You can definitely take an image like this with your 40D. The simplest way would be to get a shutter cable (one that can lock the button down), and lock it down for 3 hours. For an exposure of that length, you will need a really dark place no matter what aperture or ISO settings you use. :)

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