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Re: Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?

by bystander » Fri Feb 10, 2012 4:30 pm

neufer wrote:
Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?
by Nancy Atkinson on February 10, 2012
Could Venus be shifting gear?
ESA Space Science | 2012 Feb 10

ScienceShot: Is Venus Slowing Down?
Science NOW | Sid Perkins | 2012 Feb 10

Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?

by neufer » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:37 pm

http://www.universetoday.com/93494/is-venus-rotation-slowing-down/#more-93494 wrote:
Is Venus’ Rotation Slowing Down?
by Nancy Atkinson on February 10, 2012

<<New measurements from ESA’s Venus Express spacecraft shows that Venus’ rotation rate is about 6.5 minutes slower than previous measurements taken 16 years ago by the Magellan spacecraft. Using infrared instruments to peer through the planet’s dense atmosphere, Venus Express found surface features weren’t where the scientists expected them to be.

“When the two maps did not align, I first thought there was a mistake in my calculations as Magellan measured the value very accurately, but we have checked every possible error we could think of,” said Nils Müller, a planetary scientist at the DLR German Aerospace Centre, lead author of a research paper investigating the rotation.

Using the VIRTIS infrared instrument, scientists discovered that some surface features were displaced by up to 20 km from where they should be given the accepted rotation rate as measured by the Magellan orbiter in the early 1990s. Over its four-year mission, Magellan determined the length of the day on Venus as being equal to 243.0185 Earth days. But the data from Venus Express indicate the length of the Venus day is on average 6.5 minutes longer.

What could cause the planet to slow down? One possibility may be the raging weather on Venus. Recent atmospheric models have shown that the planet could have weather cycles stretching over decades, which could lead to equally long-term changes in the rotation period. The most important of those forces is due to the dense atmosphere [mass ~ 0.01% of the whole planet] – more than 90 times the pressure of Earth’s and high-speed weather systems [angular momentum ~ 0.1% of the whole planet], which are believed to change the planet’s rotation rate through friction with the surface.

Earth experiences a similar effect, where it is largely caused by wind and tides. The length of an Earth day can change by roughly a millisecond [1 part in ~86,000,000] and depends seasonally with wind patterns and temperatures over the course of a year. But a change of 6.5 minutes [1 part in ~54,000] over a little more than a decade is a huge variation. Venus Express will keep monitoring the planet to determine if the rate of rotation continues to change.>>

GSFC: Venus Weather Not Boring After All

by bystander » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:17 am

Venus Weather Not Boring After All
NASA GSFC | Bill Steigerwald | 2011 Sept 27
At first glance, a weather forecaster for Venus would have either a really easy or a really boring job, depending on your point of view. The climate on Venus is widely known to be unpleasant -- at the surface, the planet roasts at more than 800 degrees Fahrenheit under a suffocating blanket of sulfuric acid clouds and a crushing atmosphere more than 90 times the pressure of Earth's. Intrepid future explorers should abandon any hope for better days, however, because it won't change much.
"Any variability in the weather on Venus is noteworthy, because the planet has so many features to keep atmospheric conditions the same," says Dr. Tim Livengood, a researcher with the National Center for Earth and Space Science Education, Capitol Heights, Md., and now with the University of Maryland, College Park, Md.

"Earth has seasons because its rotation axis is tilted by about 23 degrees, which changes the intensity of sunlight and the length of the day in each hemisphere throughout the year. However, Venus has been tilted so much, it's almost completely upside down, leaving it with a net tilt of less than three degrees from the sun, so the seasonal effect is negligible," explains Livengood, who is stationed at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "Also, its orbit is even more circular than Earth's, which prevents it from getting significantly hotter or cooler by moving closer to or further away from the sun. And while you might expect things to cool down at night -- especially since Venus rotates so slowly that its night lasts almost two Earth months -- the thick atmosphere and sulfuric acid clouds act like a blanket while winds move heat around, keeping temperatures pretty even. Finally, almost all the planet's water has escaped to space, so you don't get any storms or precipitation like on Earth where water evaporates and condenses as clouds."

However, higher up, the weather gets more interesting, according to a new study of old data by NASA and international scientists. The team detected strange things going on in data from telescopic observations of Venus in infrared light at about 68 miles (110 kilometers) above the planet's surface, in cold, clear air above the acid clouds, in two layers called the mesosphere and the thermosphere.

"Although the air over the polar regions in these upper atmospheric layers on Venus was colder than the air over the equator in most measurements, occasionally it appeared to be warmer," said Dr. Theodor Kostiuk of NASA Goddard. "In Earth's atmosphere, a circulation pattern called a 'Hadley cell' occurs when warm air rises over the equator and flows toward the poles, where it cools and sinks. Since the atmosphere is denser closer to the surface, the descending air gets compressed and warms the upper atmosphere over Earth's poles. We saw the opposite on Venus. In addition, although the surface temperature is fairly even, we've seen substantial changes – up to 54 degrees Fahrenheit (about 30 K change) – within a few Earth days in the mesosphere – thermosphere layers over low latitudes on Venus. The poles appeared to be more stable, but we still saw changes up to 27 degrees Fahrenheit (about 15 K change)."

Kostiuk and Livengood are co-authors of a paper about these observations that appeared July 23 in the online edition of the journal Icarus.

"The mesosphere and thermosphere of Venus are dynamically active," said lead author Dr. Guido Sonnabend of the University of Cologne, Germany. "Wind patterns resulting from solar heating and east to west zonal winds compete, possibly resulting in altered local temperatures and their variability over time."

This upper atmospheric variability could have many possible causes, according to the team. Turbulence from global air currents at different altitudes flowing at more than 200 miles per hour in opposite directions could exchange hot air from below with cold air from above to force changes in the upper atmosphere. Also, giant vortexes swirl around each pole. They, too, could generate turbulence and change the pressure, causing the temperature to vary.

Since the atmospheric layers the team observed are above the cloud blanket, they may be affected by changes in sunlight intensity as day transitions to night, or as latitude increases toward the poles. These layers are high enough that they could even be affected by solar activity (the solar cycle), such as solar explosions called flares and eruptions of solar material called coronal mass ejections.

Changes were seen over periods spanning days, to weeks, to a decade. Temperatures measured in 1990-91 are warmer than in 2009. Measurements obtained in 2007 using Goddard’s Heterodyne Instrument for Planetary Wind and Composition (HIPWAC) observed warmer temperature in the equatorial region than in 2009. Having seen that the atmosphere can change, a lot more observations are needed to determine how so many phenomena can affect Venus' upper atmosphere over different intervals, according to the team.

"In addition to all these changes, we saw warmer temperatures than those predicted for this altitude by the leading accepted model, the Venus International Reference Atmosphere model," said Kostiuk. "This tells us that we have lots of work to do updating our upper atmospheric circulation model for Venus."

Although Venus is often referred to as Earth's twin, since they are almost the same size, it ended up with a climate very different from Earth. A deeper understanding of Venus' atmosphere will let researchers compare it to the evolution of Earth's atmosphere, giving insight as to why Earth now teems with life while Venus suffered a hellish fate.

The team measured temperature and wind speeds in Venus' upper atmosphere by observing an infrared glow emitted by carbon dioxide (CO2) molecules when they were energized by light from the sun. Infrared light is invisible to the human eye and is perceived by us as heat, but it can be detected by special instruments. In the research, it appeared as a line on a graph from a spectrometer, an instrument that separates light into its component colors, each of which corresponds to a specific frequency. The width of the line revealed the temperature, while shifts in its frequency gave the wind speed.

The researchers compared observations from 1990 and 1991 using Goddard's Infrared Heterodyne Spectrometer instrument at NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility on Mauna Kea, Hawaii, to observations from 2009 using the Cologne Tunable Heterodyne Infrared Spectrometer instrument at the National Optical Astronomy Observatory's McMath Telescope at Kitt Peak, Ariz.

Thermospheric/mesospheric temperatures on Venus: Results from ground-based high-resolution spectroscopy
of CO2 in 1990/1991 and comparison to results from 2009 and between other techniques
- Guido Sonnabend et al

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:59 pm

Jimi wrote:
Valensiakol wrote:I see I am not the only one who thought of colonoscopies...
I came here to say - "Venus? Looks more like Uranus!"
Although, technically, yeah - it reminded me more of a colon.
then you might appreciate this Bad Bad Pun post...
http://asterisk.apod.com/vie ... 48#p132787

I have tried but so far unsuccessful at finding Uranus

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Jimi » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:27 pm

Valensiakol wrote:I see I am not the only one who thought of colonoscopies...
I came here to say - "Venus? Looks more like Uranus!"
Although, technically, yeah - it reminded me more of a colon.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:15 pm

neufer wrote:If you really want to glow: say Przybylski's Star three times fast.
I like a challenge…
jebilskee’s star
rebel skis tar
gerbil siezes car
Venus glows afar

(an utter stretch, I know… and I thought Venus needed to be mentioned since this is a thread discussing its south polar vortex)… how ‘bout that vortex, huh! All that twisting, spinning and all… guess that’s why they call it a vortex. If they called it a spinning thingy, it wouldn’t sound as scientific... Say, isn’t the Milky Way a kind of a vortex of glowing thingees?

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by neufer » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:00 pm

emc wrote:Wow… I can’t recall getting as much “neufer” attention before… I reckon being “un-stabled” has created some scientific interest… perhaps shed new(furry) light on my state of mind.
If you really want to glow: say Przybylski's Star three times fast.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:05 pm

Wow… I can’t recall getting as much “neufer” attention before… I reckon being “un-stabled” has created some scientific interest… perhaps shed new(furry) light on my state of mind.

1:45 PM

by neufer » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:40 pm

emc wrote:
beyond wrote:
Hey, emc, how come you're the only member without a PM button??
Reckon I am the only member that selected the "no" radio button... I selected the "yes" one now...

(I started out with the “yes” button and changed it to “no”...
I don’t have a good enough reason… so I changed it back to “yes”.)
Clearly, Ed is "unstable" compared to the stabilities of neighboring Asteriskians.

(Ed will now even luminesce in the dark with a pale blue or greenish glow, due to his high radio-activity.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promethium wrote:
<<Promethium is a chemical element with the symbol Pm and atomic number 61. Along with technetium, promethium is one of only two elements with atomic number less than 83 that have only unstable isotopes, which is a rarely occurring effect of the liquid drop model and stabilities of neighbor element isotopes.

The existence of promethium was first predicted by Bohuslav Brauner in 1902. During his research on the chemical properties of rare earth elements he found that the difference between neodymium and samarium is larger than between the other lanthanides. This prediction was supported in 1914 by Henry Moseley who, having discovered that atomic number was an experimentally measurable property of elements, found that no known element had atomic number 61. With the knowledge of a gap in the periodic table several groups started to search for the predicted element among other rare earths in natural environment. However, it is now known that there are no stable or long-lived isotopes of promethium. Promethium's longest lived isotope 145Pm is a soft beta emitter with a half-life of 17.7 years. It does not emit gamma rays, but beta particles impinging on elements of high atomic numbers can generate X-rays, and a sample of 145Pm does produce some such soft X-ray radiation in addition to beta particles. Promethium salts luminesce in the dark with a pale blue or greenish glow, due to their high radioactivity.

Promethium was first produced and characterized at Oak Ridge National Laboratory in 1945 by separation and analysis of the fission products of uranium fuel irradiated in the Graphite Reactor. Today, promethium is still recovered from the byproducts of uranium fission; it can also be produced by bombarding 146Nd with neutrons, turning it into 147Nd which decays into 147Pm through beta decay with a half-life of 11 days.

Promethium can be formed in nature as a product of spontaneous fission of uranium-238 and alpha decay of europium-151. Only trace amounts can be found in naturally occurring ores: a sample of pitchblende has been found to contain promethium at a concentration of four parts per quintillion by mass. It was calculated that the equilibrium mass of promethium in the earth's crust is about 560 g due to uranium fission and about 12 g due to the recently observed alpha decay of europium-151.

Promethium has also been identified in the spectrum of the star HR 465 in Andromeda,
and possibly HD 101065 (Przybylski's star) and HD 965.


Uses for promethium include:
  • * As a beta radiation source for thickness gauges.

    * As a light source for signals that require reliable, independent operation (using phosphor to absorb the beta radiation and produce light). In particular, Promethium(III) chloride (PmCl3) mixed with zinc sulfide (ZnS) was used for a time as a major luminous paint for watches after radium was discontinued. This mixture is still occasionally used for some luminous paint applications (though most such uses requiring radioactive materials have switched to tritium for safety reasons).

    * In a nuclear battery in which cells convert the beta emissions into electric current, yielding a useful life of about five years, using 147Pm.

    * Promethium has possible future uses in portable X-ray sources, and as auxiliary heat or power sources for space probes and satellites (although the alpha emitter plutonium-238 has become standard for most space-exploration related uses).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Przybylski%27s_star wrote:
<<Przybylski's Star, or HD 101065, is a peculiar star that is located about 410 light years from the Sun in the constellation Centaurus.

In 1961, the Polish-Australian astronomer Antoni Przybylski discovered that this star had a peculiar spectrum that would not fit into the standard framework for stellar classification. Przybylski's observations indicated unusually low amounts of iron and nickel in the star's spectrum, but higher amounts of unusual elements like strontium, niobium, scandium, yttrium, caesium, neodymium, praseodymium, thorium, ytterbium, and uranium. In fact, at first Przybylski doubted that iron was present in the spectrum at all. Modern work shows that the iron-group elements are somewhat below normal in abundance, but it's clear that the lanthanoids and other exotic elements are highly overabundant. As a result of these peculiar abundances this star belongs firmly in the Ap star class. [In fact,] HD 101065 is the prototype star of the roAp star class. It was discovered to pulsate photometrically in 1978 with a period of 12.15 min.

According to the Encyclopedia of Astrobiology, Astronomy, and Spaceflight, Przybylski's Star is…
  • "One of the most chemically peculiar stars known; it is named informally after its discoverer, the Polish-Australian astronomer, Antoni Przybylski.… Apart from the usual lines of hydrogen and the calcium H and K, the strongest lines in HD 101065 are due to singly ionized lanthanides, presenting a spectrum similar to that of an S star, a highly evolved object whose atmosphere is enriched with recently synthesized material from deep within its interior. Yet, in other respects, HD 101065 appears to be a main sequence star or subgiant. One possibility is that it is a cool, extreme Ap star, a theory supported by the discovery of a several kilogauss magnetic field in HD 101065 similar to that of many other Ap stars. The outstanding difficulty with HD 101065 as an Ap star was that its spectrum didn't look like the others. Lines of neutral and first ionized iron are prominent in the spectra of Ap stars, and in some cases, the iron is clearly overabundant.">>

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:58 pm

I started out with the “yes” button and changed it to “no”... I don’t have a good enough reason… so I changed it back to “yes”.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Beyond » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:18 pm

emc wrote:
beyond wrote:Hey, emc, how come you're the only member without a PM button?? The computer doesn't like you?
Reckon I am the only member that selected the "no" radio button... I selected the "yes" one now... Sometimes I think my computer likes me... it's a little disturbing.
After i posted the question, it dawned on me that it might have been choice. After such a long time i couldn't remember what i did when i signed up.
I know someone from a different website that once told me that he has an agreement with his computer. It gives him what he wants and he doesn't destroy it.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Wed Sep 29, 2010 1:28 pm

beyond wrote:Hey, emc, how come you're the only member without a PM button?? The computer doesn't like you?
Reckon I am the only member that selected the "no" radio button... I selected the "yes" one now... Sometimes I think my computer likes me... it's a little disturbing.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by neufer » Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:45 am

Ann wrote:
Art NeuendO'rFFEr
Art O'rFF? Art-ina Burana?
Arthur "Boris" CARL NeuendORFFer

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Ann » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:56 am

Art NeuendO'rFFEr
Art O'rFF? Art-ina Burana?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4yYHwMV ... re=related[/youtube]

Ann

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Beyond » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:07 am

Hey, emc, how come you're the only member without a PM button?? The computer doesn't like you?

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by neufer » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:54 am

bko wrote:
can anyone say georgia okeefe...
Image
That's TWO f's, bko:
O'keeffe!


Art NeuendO'rFFEr

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Ann » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:37 am

George (O'Keefe) On My MInd, by Michelle Christide. There's a bit of a Venerian swirl here, but much better colors!

Ann

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by bko » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:24 am

can anyone say georgia okeefe...

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by orin stepanek » Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:45 pm

APOD Robot wrote: at times, two eddies appear, while at other times a single peculiar eddy appears, may give insight into how hurricanes evolve on Earth, and remain a topic of research for some time.
neufer wrote:
orin stepanek wrote:
I believe that the vortex on Venus stays at the South Pole; and is continuous;
while on Earth a hurricane moves a long until it eventually blows itself out. :?
In any event,

on Earth a hurricane is predominantly a relatively small low pressure surface feature;

vortices observed on Venus & Jupiter are predominantly upper atmospheric phenomena.
I agree! :)

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by biddie67 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 7:27 pm

I just followed the link off today's APOD to the new FB setup. While I'm not a particular fan of FB, the setup looks really good - someone put in a lot of work - congratulations on the companion venue!

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by emc » Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:33 pm

I’d rather have an esophageal pH colonoscopy than a colonoscopy esophageal pH

and

I’d rather have an Art asterisk/adventurist than an Art wrist/risk

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by biddie67 » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:06 pm

(( good belly-laugh there ))

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by Chris Peterson » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:36 pm

mexhunter wrote:If you show it to a gastroenterologist, sure which coincides a clear diagnosis of reflux.
Valensiakol wrote:I see I am not the only one who thought of colonoscopies...
The suggestion that a colonoscopy might be used to diagnose reflux is positively cringe-worthy!

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by neufer » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:29 pm

biddie67 wrote:Is there any indication that the forces in the vortex are pulling upward like a tornado -or- downward like in water draining out of a tub? Also, would knowing whether there was clockwise or counterclockwise rotation indicate anything about why it would appear to be so strong?
The Great Red Spot is an anti-cyclonic (warm/high pressure) system
[rotating counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere].

It appears that the "Venereal" south polar vortex is a cyclonic (cold/low pressure) system
[rotating counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere of a backwards spinning Venus]
similar to the cold cyclonic stratospheric polar vortex surrounding the Antarctic Ozone Hole.

Vertical movement is limited in all cases.

Re: APOD: Venus South Polar Vortex (2010 Sep 28)

by neufer » Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:03 pm

orin stepanek wrote:
I believe that the vortex on Venus stays at the South Pole; and is continuous;
while on Earth a hurricane moves a long until it eventually blows itself out. :?
In any event,

on Earth a hurricane is predominantly a relatively small low pressure surface feature;

vortices observed on Venus & Jupiter are predominantly upper atmospheric phenomena.

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