APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

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Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by lborgdorff@barrie.ca » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:27 am

jman wrote:
zorro wrote:Does anyone else think the International Space Station looks like the Canadian flag?
Maybe an omen - Canada vs Russia hockey game's today? Go Team ISS! :D
The Americans claim the moon, but the Canadians have planted their flag on the sun!

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by bystander » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:06 pm

orin stepanek wrote:Nice photo Thierry :) 8-)
INSANELY awesome solar eclipse picture
Discover Blogs | Bad Astronomy | 2011 Jan 04

ANOTHER insanely awesome shot of the solar eclipse?!
Discover Blogs | Bad Astronomy | 2011 Jan 08
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by neufer » Fri Jan 07, 2011 12:29 pm

iamlucky13 wrote:
Neufer, I enjoyed the TIE fighter comparisons to the ISS.

Hmm, both are abbreviated as three-letter acronyms...coincidence? I think not.
http://asterisk.apod.com/vie ... 02#p131602

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by iamlucky13 » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:25 am

Chris Peterson wrote:
biddie67 wrote:But I'm curious - 1/5000 second is beyond human reflexes (at least it is beyond mine) - is this photo taken with some kind of ultra-high-speed video camera and then a specific frame selected for display?
It was taken with an ordinary DSLR. The shutter time was 1/5000 of a second, but the photographer had nearly a second while the ISS was crossing the Sun to actually push the button and make that exposure. That still requires good reflexes, but nothing superhuman!
Either good reflexes, or else meticulous planning, which we know he had from the mere foresight to drive to a suitable spot, and a very good watch.

DSLR's on the market today can shoot as fast as 10 frames per second, and do so from as many as 30 frames to almost unlimited depending on the image file size.

Whichever was the case, he did an outstanding job to capture this shot.


Neufer, I enjoyed the TIE fighter comparisons to the ISS. Hmm, both are abbreviated as three-letter acronyms...coincidence? I think not.

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by neufer » Fri Jan 07, 2011 2:02 am

Mr T wrote:
zorro wrote:
Does anyone else think the International Space Station looks like the Canadian flag?
I was going to say that We best be restoring NASA's Funding because the Canadians have already landed on the SUN!!!
This is all going to end up in court: http://asterisk.apod.com/vie ... 77#p137662

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Mr T » Fri Jan 07, 2011 1:38 am

zorro wrote:Does anyone else think the International Space Station looks like the Canadian flag?
I was going to say that We best be restoring NASA's Funding because the Canadians have already landed on the SUN!!!

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by eaglekepr » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:36 pm

GoBears wrote:A corrolary to this photograph is that occupants of the ISS must have observed the eclipse. What a sight that must be from space! I wonder if the ISS (or any other orbiting humans) have ever witnessed a total eclipse of the sun? :?:
It's happened a few times, this is just the first one that came up on a search:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... lipse.html

Unless you mean looking back the other way?

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Beyond » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:47 pm

I vote for the "something" :!:

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by NoelC » Thu Jan 06, 2011 6:42 pm

neufer wrote:
...[various stuff]...
The force, or something, is unusually strong with this one. :mrgreen:

Never change, neufer!

And congratulations to Thierry for capturing such an uncommon sight! Will anyone EVER get an image like this again? If you have to have just a partial eclipse, way to make the best of it, Thierry! My hat's off to you.

-Noel

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by bystander » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:22 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Nancy Atkinson @ Universe Today wrote:
Here’s a unique view of the January 4 partial solar eclipse: ESA’s sun-watching microsatellite Proba-2 captured the conjunction of the spheres as the Sun, Moon and Earth all lined up in front of it. Shortly after the Moon partially blocked Proba-2’s view of the Sun, the satellite flew into Earth’s shadow. At that point – when the video seen here goes dark – the Sun, Moon, Earth and Proba-2 were all on the same line in space.
http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMEAL0SDIG_index_0.html

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by GoBears » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:30 pm

A corrolary to this photograph is that occupants of the ISS must have observed the eclipse. What a sight that must be from space! I wonder if the ISS (or any other orbiting humans) have ever witnessed a total eclipse of the sun? :?:

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Thierry Legault » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:34 am

thanks to everyone for their nice compliments. About the color, I could have put a yellow filter but actually I simply did it by processing. When I began to take transits shots in 2006, I left them B&W but so many people wanted the image to be colorized that I decided to do it!

PS: I confirm that it's the ISS and not the HST, unless calsky confuses its satellite data and the HST altitude is getting lower and lower (in this case, it won't be long before it reaches the ground! :D )

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by neufer » Thu Jan 06, 2011 3:13 am

biddie67 wrote:
owlice: (copied from the wiki-p article about tie-fighters ....
"distinctive TIE fighter sound --- combines an elephant call with a car driving on wet pavement." )

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by biddie67 » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:58 am

owlice: ((copied from the wiki-p article about tie-fighters .... "distinctive TIE fighter sound --- combines an elephant call with a car driving on wet pavement." ))

I think there must be the occasional tie-fighter out here in the middle of nowhere - I swear I've heard that kind of sound at night a couple of times - I'll keep my ray gun handy and will check in with Netfliks - thanks (grin)

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by biddie67 » Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:41 am

Thanks to both "thearborist" and Chris for clarifying my question - sorry - I meant to point to the photographer's reaction time in pushing the shutter button instead of erroneously focusing on the actual shutter speed.

Amazing work .....

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by lenka » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:43 pm

Mr. Thierry Legault, you are my Master.
Thanks

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by lefthip » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:38 pm

jman wrote:
zorro wrote:Does anyone else think the International Space Station looks like the Canadian flag?
Maybe an omen - Canada vs Russia hockey game's today? Go Team ISS! :D
First thing I thought - Who planted the Canadian flag on the sun? - Superb Photo.

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:06 pm

Dan Schroeder wrote:No, the sun isn't yellow. It's white with a barely perceptible yellowish (or orangish) tint.
Exactly. The Sun is yellow. A low saturation yellow is still yellow.
So the yellow in the photo must be a result of either the filter or some kind of post-processing or both. I'm wondering which it is.
The more saturated yellow could be the result of either, as you say. I don't know which. Legault's site says he uses a Baader helioscope, but I don't know what that is. Baader makes a solar attenuation film that is very neutral, but they also make some front aperture energy rejection filters that are not.

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Dan Schroeder » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:50 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Dan Schroeder wrote:Stupid question: Why is the sun yellow in this photo and so many others?
The Sun is yellow when viewed directly (with sufficient filtering to avoid saturation). How yellow it appears depends on the type of filter used. A very common type of metal coated glass filter gives an even stronger yellow cast than the Sun by itself has. And finally, many imagers simply prefer to add yellow or orange to make what would otherwise be a nearly B&W image more colorful.
No, the sun isn't yellow. It's white with a barely perceptible yellowish (or orangish) tint. So the yellow in the photo must be a result of either the filter or some kind of post-processing or both. I'm wondering which it is.

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Zenodotus » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:37 pm

Anyone notice a wave in the surface of the sun along the right side of the photo?

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:12 pm

biddie67 wrote:But I'm curious - 1/5000 second is beyond human reflexes (at least it is beyond mine) - is this photo taken with some kind of ultra-high-speed video camera and then a specific frame selected for display?
It was taken with an ordinary DSLR. The shutter time was 1/5000 of a second, but the photographer had nearly a second while the ISS was crossing the Sun to actually push the button and make that exposure. That still requires good reflexes, but nothing superhuman!

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by orin stepanek » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:07 pm

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by thearborist » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:06 pm

biddie67 wrote:Kudos to Thierry Legault - what a great picture!! I'm amazed at the planning, calculations, timing that had to go into getting this photo! The clarity is wonderful!

But I'm curious - 1/5000 second is beyond human reflexes (at least it is beyond mine) - is this photo taken with some kind of ultra-high-speed video camera and then a specific frame selected for display?
The 1/5000 refers to the shutter speed of the camera, or the length of time the shutter is open to allow light to pass. It is not a matter of reflexes,. The photographer selects when to start the shutter process, but the camera operates at the selected shutter speed. In all likelihood, the photographer was using a multiple-shot sequence. Holding down the shutter button creates a sequence of images. Ah, the wonders of modern technolocgy...

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by Joe Stieber » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:00 pm

Redstone wrote:I am looking at that picture, and I'm thinking y smart people of the APOTD can be making a mistake this grossly bad!
This does not to me look like the ISS crosing the disk of the sun. it looks like Hubble that is in transit! Yes?
it' far too small and not complex enough for ISS, yet the profile matches Hubble perfectly!
Having seen the ISS transit the sun and the moon visually through a telescope a number of times, as well as having seen the ISS visually through a telescope in the open sky a number of times, I can also add that today's APOD does indeed show the ISS, not the HST.

The profile does not match the HST, which has relatively small solar panels compared to the body of the spacecraft, as shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble_Space_Telescope

In contrast, the ISS has relatively large banks of solar panels as shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... ce_Station

The apparent size of the ISS can vary considerably since it is currently about 350 km away when it crosses the zenith, but over 2,000 km away near the horizon. It was around 45 degrees altitude when the image was captured. Regardless, based on the 109 m length of the truss from Wikipedia and the 510 km distance reported on Legault's web page, the ISS should subtend about 0.74 arc-minutes in the picture. Measuring the image on my computer screen, it was about 4.5 mm along the truss of the ISS and 190 mm across the sun. Using a solar diameter of 32.5 arc-minutes for January 4th (from USNO software), my crude screen measurements yield a similar 0.77 arc-minutes for the ISS.

Joe Stieber

Re: APOD: Eclipsing the Sun (2011 Jan 05)

by owlice » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:49 pm

biddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIE_fighter

(You have some ordering to do at Netflix! <g>)

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