APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

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Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by BMAONE23 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:38 pm

Personally, I too like the image.
That Building is a monument to what man can achieve.
I think they should take it a step further though and redesign the buildings surrounding the northern, eastern, and western areas to resemble roman numerals from above, then the view from the top would give you the worlds largest sundial clock

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by DavidLeodis » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:44 pm

Guest wrote:Mr. Tafreshi's work is greatly admired by those of us who prefer star gazing from earthbound vistas (sorry NASA!) but this is one of his worst photos because its not natural at all. Dubai? Really? Contrast with fantastic February 2, 2008 "Venus and Jupiter in Morning Skies" which is just breath-taking. I'd ask him not to put the star indentifers on the image but continue to make us WORK to look them up for ourselves ( which I enjoyed doing for the latter using http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/ and your photo caption to geographic location and time of day ).
I find it very helpful when an annotated version of an APOD can be brought up, so I respectfully disagree with your request that annotated versions of APODs should not be made available (I assume that it is really all APODs and not just "Mr. Tafreshi's work" that you are referring to). I do not see what the problem is as surely you can do what you want to do using the non-annotated version of an APOD. If for some reason you need a copy of that version then simply take a screen capture of the non-annotated APOD. I like to see APODs but I have no desire to have to "WORK" out what their stars are.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:44 pm

Guest wrote:Mr. Tafreshi's work is greatly admired by those of us who prefer star gazing from earthbound vistas (sorry NASA!) but this is one of his worst photos because its not natural at all.
Why does an image need to be "natural"? The sky over Dubai is how most humans now experience nighttime. As this discussion has demonstrated, an image like this has many lessons to deliver... which is an indicator of its success.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Guest » Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:54 am

Mr. Tafreshi's work is greatly admired by those of us who prefer star gazing from earthbound vistas (sorry NASA!) but this is one of his worst photos because its not natural at all. Dubai? Really? Contrast with fantastic February 2, 2008 "Venus and Jupiter in Morning Skies" which is just breath-taking. I'd ask him not to put the star indentifers on the image but continue to make us WORK to look them up for ourselves ( which I enjoyed doing for the latter using http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky/ and your photo caption to geographic location and time of day ).

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by bystander » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:04 pm

Beyond wrote:WOW! Go to the desert and play in the snow. What'll they think of next? Golfing on the moon??
http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=18079

How about Saturn's moons?
http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23671

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Beyond » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:16 pm

WOW! Go to the desert and play in the snow. What'll they think of next? Golfing on the moon??

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by neufer » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:53 pm

revloren wrote:
The real sign of ostentacious excess here is that the Burj is pretty much empty, having been completed just after the global financial meltdown. Dubai and other desert boomtowns (such as Las Vegas) stand as our testement to our wretched excess and obsession with temporary glitz to the detriment of real development for our civilizations. I'll bet there are some Bedouin populations living not far from there that could have used some improved access to clean drinking water rather than another empty skyscraper. Pretty picture though! :roll:
Some Bedouin populations living not far from there would be schussing you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_Dubai wrote:

<<Ski Dubai is an indoor ski resort with 22,500 square metres of indoor ski area. It is a part of the Mall of the Emirates, one of the largest shopping malls in the world, located in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. It was developed by Majid Al Futtaim Properties, which also operates the Mall of the Emirates.

Opened in November 2005, the indoor resort features an 60-meter high indoor mountain with 5 slopes of varying steepness and difficulty, including a 400-metre-long run, the world's first indoor black run, and a 90-metre-long quarter pipe for snowboarders. A quad lift and a tow lift carry skiers and snowboarders up the mountain. Adjoining the slopes is a 3,000-square-metre Snow Park play area comprising sled and toboggan runs, an icy body slide, climbing towers, a snowball shooting gallery, an ice cave and a 3D theatre. Other attractions include a mirror maze and a snowman-making area. Winter clothing, ski and snowboard equipment are included in the price of admission.

An extremely efficient insulation system helps the facility maintain a temperature of −1 °C during the day and −6 °C at night when the snow is produced. In 2007 Ski Dubai was awarded the Thea Outstanding Achievement Award by the Themed Entertainment Association.>>

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by revloren » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:49 am

The real sign of ostentacious excess here is that the Burj is pretty much empty, having been completed just after the global financial meltdown. Dubai and other desert boomtowns (such as Las Vegas) stand as our testement to our wretched excess and obsession with temporary glitz to the detriment of real development for our civilizations. I'll bet there are some Bedouin populations living not far from there that could have used some improved access to clean drinking water rather than another empty skyscraper. Pretty picture though! :roll:

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by neufer » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:25 pm

raindrop wrote:
I am utterly disgusted by this picture.
It may look beautiful but it shows what horrible ideals our civilization has today.
Blot out the beauties of nature with those bright lights.
Like it or not, mankind is as much a part of nature as anything else.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by raindrop » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:31 pm

I am utterly disgusted by this picture. It may look beautiful but it shows what horrible ideals our civilization has today. Blot out the beauties of nature with those bright lights. Was not there someting of value here before we humans started building? Also anyone heard of climate change? As well as blocking the beautiful night sky, these lights are releasing excesss greenhouse gases needlessly into the atmosphere. I am using the picture as a poster to show people what we do NOT need more of today. Complete ostentacousness by the rich society that built Dubai. Think of what good could be done to help the needy in the world instead of spending money to build and run this view.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by DavidLeodis » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:34 am

I had difficulty spotting most of the named stars in the APOD (that may of course have been the idea). There is however a photo in Babak Tafreshi's gallery in The World At Night website which is (to me) much better than the version used as the APOD. The one in Babak's gallery is a cropped version, having a less wide field-of-view than the full width version that was used as the APOD. I think the version used by Babak would have been better to use as the APOD (if it was available to use).

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Ann » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:20 am

islader2 wrote:: Well, Ann,as Art so succinctly eluded Maud Montgomery Anniesque opera litera. ANNE== with an "E"== sounds very elegant as the residents of PEI could well tell us. {One can visit all the counties of PEI [three] in a trice}. Without a passport, one may do three [counties] in a trice in a trike in Delaware as that is all there are. :wink:
Wow - I'm not absolutely sure what this means, but I'm impressed. PEI = Prince Edward Island, I got that! I also read Anne of Green Gables when I was a kid. This is what the book cover looked like when I read "Anne på Grönkulla" in the mid- to late sixties. Sorry I couldn't find a larger picture:

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I'm not absolutely sure what thrice in a trike means, but it sounds good! Also I'm not absolutely sure what Delaware is doing here, since I'm sure that Delaware is not where Anne of Green Gables lived, but hey.. there may be more similarities between Prince Edward Island and Delaware than I realize...

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Prince Edward Island, Canada.

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Delaware, USA.

Ann

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by islader2 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:02 am

: Well, Ann,as Art so succinctly eluded Maud Montgomery Anniesque opera litera. ANNE== with an "E"== sounds very elegant as the residents of PEI could well tell us. {One can visit all the counties of PEI [three] in a trice}. Without a passport, one may do three [counties] in a trice in a trike in Delaware as that is all there are. :wink:

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Beyond » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:47 am

NoelC wrote:LOL!!! Laughed so hard I almost fell off my feet!

Ah! Another means of measurement. How many feet did you almost fall off, NoelC :?: :?:

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by NoelC » Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:07 am

neufer wrote:828 meters = 1597 Sumerian Nippur cubits = 26.84 femtoparsecs = 4.116 furlongs
LOL!!! Laughed so hard I almost fell off my feet!

-Noel

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by orin stepanek » Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:14 am

D L Hall wrote:Several years back, my company sent me to Omaha, Nebraska for a couple of weeks. There was clear, virtually cloudless weather all the time I was there, but never saw any stars in the sky. After about a week and a half, I finally drove about 50 miles out of town. There, the night sky was beautiful.
I was offered a chance to move to Omaha. I declined. The dead empty sky was too depressing. For all the money and high tech goodies, it seems like Dubai is Omaha with taller buildings.
50 miles out or Omaha could take you to North Bend Nebraska; a small town and home town of Marg Helgenberger! You shouldn't have to have traveled that far to see your stars. All Nebraska has is little towns and few cities. Not much trouble for driving a mile of two to see the stars. When I was a kid in Schuyler you could look up in your back yard and see the milky way. I live in a larger city than that now but I can still see a few stars from my back yard on a clear night. The Big and Little Dipper and Orion are among favorites. 8-)

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by biddie67 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:49 pm

Is that Babak Tafreshi standing by the railing on the left side of the picture?

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by saturn2 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:53 pm

Dubai in the United Arabic Emirates.
Many artificial light.
The stars bright in the sky, but here, in the sky of Dubai can´t to see.
Human Nature vs. Astronomical Nature.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by neufer » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:02 pm

dshoezzz@gmail.com wrote:
Why do you only state the height in metric? Aren't you being culturally insensitive? Be a little more inclusive and tolerant of othert cultures.
828 meters = 1597 Sumerian Nippur cubits = 26.84 femtoparsecs = 4.116 furlongs

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by dshoezzz@gmail.com » Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:41 pm

Why do you only state the height in metric? Aren't you being culturally insensitive? Be a little more inclusive and tolerant of othert cultures.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by biddie67 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:54 pm

Good Grief!!!

GC's expound-ations will never make a quick, catchy tune ..... After diligently wading through all his verbage just to signify a name, I'm left wondering how he ever had enough ink and paper to write much more ....

(With apologies to all Chaucer fans.)

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by Boomer12k » Sat Jul 16, 2011 6:31 pm

"Tower of Babel" higher than the "Stars of Heaven"....

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by neufer » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:12 pm

D L Hall wrote:
Several years back, my company sent me to Omaha, Nebraska for a couple of weeks. There was clear, virtually cloudless weather all the time I was there, but never saw any stars in the sky. After about a week and a half, I finally drove about 50 miles out of town. There, the night sky was beautiful. I was offered a chance to move to Omaha. I declined. The dead empty sky was too depressing. For all the money and high tech goodies, it seems like Dubai is Omaha with taller buildings.
Geoffrey Chaucer: The Prologue of the Second Nun's Tale <<I wish to expound to you first the name of the saint, as one may read in her history. It signifies, as one would say in English, "heaven's lily;" her name was lily for the pure chastity of her virginity; or because she had the whiteness of honor and the green of conscience and the sweet savor of good fame, was she called a lily. Or Cecilia is as if one should say "the way for the blind," because she was an example through her good teaching.

Or else, as I see in the books, the name Cecilia is compounded by a manner of joining "heaven" and "Leah;" and here symbolically heaven is set forth for meditation upon holiness, and Leah for her ceaseless activity. Cecilia may also be interpreted "lacking blindness," for her great light of wisdom, and for her shining virtues. Or else, lo, this maiden's bright name comes from "heaven" and "leos"; because one may well rightly call her, the example of all good and wise works, "heaven of people," for "leos" signifies people in English.

And even as one can see in the heaven the sun and the moon and everywhere the stars, even so may one see spiritually in this noble maiden the magnanimity of faith, and the perfect clearness of wisdom as well, and various bright and excellent works. And even as these philosophers say that heaven is swift and round and burning, so was the fair white Cecilia ever swift and diligent in good works, and perfect in her perseverance of goodness, and ever burning brightly with love. Now have I declared to you what her name signified.
>>

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by D L Hall » Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:35 pm

Several years back, my company sent me to Omaha, Nebraska for a couple of weeks. There was clear, virtually cloudless weather all the time I was there, but never saw any stars in the sky. After about a week and a half, I finally drove about 50 miles out of town. There, the night sky was beautiful.
I was offered a chance to move to Omaha. I declined. The dead empty sky was too depressing. For all the money and high tech goodies, it seems like Dubai is Omaha with taller buildings.

Re: APOD: Starry Night over Dubai (2011 Jul 16)

by neufer » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:37 pm

orin stepanek wrote:
I like the picture even though you can't see the stars.
It's sad that Cities aren't developed to reduce light pollution! :?
It's sad that the sky picture wasn't taken from the top of the 800 meter tall Khalifa Tower.

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