APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

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450 Orbits of Mercury in 225 days.

by neufer » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:31 pm

http://messenger.jhuapl.edu/gallery/sciencePhotos/image.php?gallery_id=2&image_id=681 wrote:
A Global View from Orbit
Release Date: October 28, 2011

Instrument: Narrow Angle Camera (NAC) and Wide Angle Camera (WAC) of the Mercury Dual Imaging System (MDIS)
Resolution: 2.5 km/pixel
Scale: Mercury's diameter is 4880 kilometers (3030 miles)
Map Projection: simple cylindrical

[This image] shows a global mosaic that covers over 99.9% of Mercury's surface! This mosaic is made primarily of MDIS images acquired as part of the surface morphology base map, which during the first six months of MESSENGER's orbital mission mapped over 98.7% of the surface with nearly 22,000 images. Variations in the morphological appearance of the surface are due to differences in the Sun illumination conditions and viewing geometries for the different images taken over those six months. In this mosaic, small gaps in the surface morphology base map have been filled by images taken as part of the color base map imaging campaign. A few remaining gaps have been filled by data obtained by a combination of Mariner 10 and MESSENGER flybys, most of which is visible near the north pole.>>

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by neufer » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:19 pm

Image
If the red pole represents the 12 o'clock position/meridian then
the folks living near the 3 o'clock & 9 o'clock position/meridians
will observe oscillating sunset/rises at perihelion.
djones wrote:
Decades ago Isaac Asimov wrote an article about Mercury that stated that because of the elliptical nature of Mercury’s orbit and the slow progress of the sun through its sky, there would be times where the sun appeared to go retrograde. He noted that at certain places on the surface, each day would have two sunrises and two sunsets. At sunrise it peeks over the horizon and then goes back down to be followed by a second sunrise. That evening, it would set, reemerge and then set again. Was Isaac using old data or is this still true?
That has been known to be true since 1965.

At perihelion Mercury revolves around the sun
at a somewhat higher RPM than it rotates on its axis.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:59 pm

djones wrote:Decades ago Isaac Asimov wrote an article about Mercury that stated that because of the elliptical nature of Mercury’s orbit and the slow progress of the sun through its sky, there would be times where the sun appeared to go retrograde. He noted that at certain places on the surface, each day would have two sunrises and two sunsets. At sunrise it peeks over the horizon and then goes back down to be followed by a second sunrise. That evening, it would set, reemerge and then set again. Was Isaac using old data or is this still true?
This is generally true (it depends where you are on the surface), and is a consequence of Mercury's 3:2 spin-orbit resonance, which has been recognized since the mid-1960s.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by djones » Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:33 pm

Decades ago Isaac Asimov wrote an article about Mercury that stated that because of the elliptical nature of Mercury’s orbit and the slow progress of the sun through its sky, there would be times where the sun appeared to go retrograde. He noted that at certain places on the surface, each day would have two sunrises and two sunsets. At sunrise it peeks over the horizon and then goes back down to be followed by a second sunrise. That evening, it would set, reemerge and then set again. Was Isaac using old data or is this still true?

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by G-Lode » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:12 pm

Yes it does seem a little odd that the most anomalous feature in the mono-chrome image is not imaged in the higher resolution color photo. I see a pyramidal object that would have to be absolutely freaking huge. The shadow has a slightly stepped edge at high magnification...conspiracy theories anyone?

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by neufer » Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:43 am

elipongo wrote:
The link from the word "meridian" leads to Wikipedia's article on the Hun Kal crater. The article states that the crater is the reference point for Mercury's longitude coordinate system, but that it was defined as 20 degrees West because the "actual" Prime Meridian was in shadow at the time of Mariner 10's visit. Since selecting a prime meridian is an arbitrary exercise, I assume that it was based on some telescopically observed landmark predating Mariner 10 and was retained to preserve compatibility with older observations. Does anyone know what that original landmark was?
Back when they thought that just one side of Mercury was visible
prime meridian was defined simply as the subsolar meridian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_albedo_features_on_Mercury wrote: <<Early telescopic observations of Mercury were based on the assumption that Mercury keeps one of its faces permanently turned toward the Sun, through the mechanism of tidal locking. Although this is not true (Mercury rotates three times on its axis for every two revolutions around the Sun), when it is positioned for best viewing from Earth, the amount by which its visible face has rotated from its previous best viewing position is fairly small.

A map of Mercury made in the 1910s by astronomer Eugène Michel Antoniadi shows the following albedo features, localized by a grid in which 0° longitude is the (assumed) subsolar meridian. No certain connection has been made between these features and the topographic features viewed on Mercury by the Mariner 10 spacecraft. Mariner 10, however, imaged less than half of Mercury's surface.>>
I'm guessing that later one of the two alternate subsolar meridians
at Mercury perihelion was chosen as prime meridian back
when radar mapping was done (prior to Mariner 10).

The Hun Kal crater was then used simply to refine this predetermined scheme.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by elipongo » Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:45 am

The link from the word "meridian" leads to Wikipedia's article on the Hun Kal crater. The article states that the crater is the reference point for Mercury's longitude coordinate system, but that it was defined as 20 degrees West because the "actual" Prime Meridian was in shadow at the time of Mariner 10's visit. Since selecting a prime meridian is an arbitrary exercise, I assume that it was based on some telescopically observed landmark predating Mariner 10 and was retained to preserve compatibility with older observations. Does anyone know what that original landmark was?

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:44 pm

saturn2 wrote:I think that one solar day on Mercury is of 58 Earth days.
But the astronomers says it have a new concept of solar day on Mercury.
It¨s new for me. I don´t understand.
A sidereal day is the actual period of rotation, which can be measured against the stars- the time it takes the planet to rotate through 360°. A solar day is the period between one solar transit (noon) and the next. On Mercury, a sidereal day is 58.7 Earth days. A solar day is 176 Earth days. The latter is much longer because as the planet is rotating, it is also orbiting the Sun. In order to turn enough to bring the Sun back to the meridian, it has rotated much more than 360°, and therefore taken longer than a sidereal day.

The exact same thing happens here on Earth, but the difference is much smaller- because we rotate faster and orbit slower.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by saturn2 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:31 pm

I think that one solar day on Mercury is of 58 Earth days.
But the astronomers says it have a new concept of solar day on Mercury.
It¨s new for me. I don´t understand.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by NoelC » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:28 pm

deathfleer wrote:no mountains. I wonder how the mountains were formed on the Earth
???
What makes you say that? Did you follow the link to the high resolution imagery?

I see mountain ranges... For example (I added the red tint for emphasis):
Mountains.jpg
-Noel

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:22 pm

deathfleer wrote:no mountains. I wonder how the mountains were formed on the Earth
Mercury does have mountains. Outside of uplift produced by impacts, mountains are the product of volcanism or tectonic activity. Mercury was volcanically active early in its existence, and that has left many structures similar to those seen on the Moon- mountains, plains, scarps, etc. These structures have persisted on Mercury because it is largely free of erosional processes.

Mountains on the Earth are produced by tectonic activity, and are very short lived. No mountains on Earth are more than a few tens of millions of years old (even some "old" mountains, like the Appalachians, are mainly the product of recent uplift bringing up older material). We have mountains on Earth because they are constantly being formed. Without that, the Earth would be almost completely flat- much more so than the Moon or Mercury.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by durant » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:19 pm

Without a protective atmosphere, the surface chemistry of Mercury would be fascinating. Are there any future plans to obtain surface samples and return them to Earth for study ?

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by deathfleer » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:10 pm

mister T wrote:On Mercury is everyday your birthday? :D

or is every other year your birthyear? :(

if you are ten days old,then you are twenty years old

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by deathfleer » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:00 pm

no mountains. I wonder how the mountains were formed on the Earth

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by neufer » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:23 pm

NoelC wrote:So if humans were to build an outpost there perhaps it would have to be mobile, rolling across the surface, say, just following the sunset. Just warm enough, just cool enough to be comfortable.

Let's see, if it takes 176 days for each part of the surface to see the sun, that would be, at the equator... About 9525 miles in 4224 Earth hours, or about 2 and a quarter miles per hour. You could keep up with the sunset then at just about the speed of a person walking, no?

Or maybe the mobile research station could zip from site to site and spend tens or even hundreds of hours in one spot. That would leave time for research, mining needed materials...

Pull the track toward the pole and get a rather slower pace...
Pull the track all the way to the pole and one can just stay put (and have water to boot).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_%28planet%29 wrote:
<<Although the daylight temperature at the surface of Mercury is generally extremely high, observations strongly suggest that ice exists on Mercury. The floors of deep craters at the poles are never exposed to direct sunlight, and temperatures there remain below 102 K; far lower than the global average. Water ice strongly reflects radar, and observations by the 70 m Goldstone telescope and the VLA in the early 1990s revealed that there are patches of very high radar reflection near the poles. While ice is not the only possible cause of these reflective regions, astronomers believe it is the most likely. The icy regions are believed to contain about 1014–1015 kg of ice, and may be covered by a layer of regolith that inhibits sublimation. By comparison, the Antarctic ice sheet on Earth has a mass of about 4×1018 kg, and Mars' south polar cap contains about 1016 kg of water. The origin of the ice on Mercury is not yet known, but the two most likely sources are from outgassing of water from the planet’s interior or deposition by impacts of comets.>>

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:19 pm

Magrathea78 wrote:Is the color photo a TRUE color or color enhanced process.
It is surprisingly bluer than I expected for true color.
Almost certainly the colors have been enhanced to highlight subtle variations in surface composition. In a sense the colors are "true", because they aren't mapped from other bands, but the saturation appears to have been increased.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Magrathea78 » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:12 pm

Is the color photo a TRUE color or color enhanced process.
It is surprisingly bluer than I expected for true color.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by NoelC » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:07 pm

So if humans were to build an outpost there perhaps it would have to be mobile, rolling across the surface, say, just following the sunset. Just warm enough, just cool enough to be comfortable.

Let's see, if it takes 176 days for each part of the surface to see the sun, that would be, at the equator... About 9525 miles in 4224 Earth hours, or about 2 and a quarter miles per hour. You could keep up with the sunset then at just about the speed of a person walking, no?

Or maybe the mobile research station could zip from site to site and spend tens or even hundreds of hours in one spot. That would leave time for research, mining needed materials...

-Noel



Pull the track toward the pole and get a rather slower pace...

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by neptunium » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:37 pm

Being the closest planet to the sun, Mercury would have the shortest revolutions. However, it would be weird to some how a day on Mercury lasts twice as long as a year.

The second image of Mercury does bring out a lot of the planet's details, such as its cratered and rough terrain.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:53 pm

nstahl wrote:I also thought Mercury was tidally locked Orin, but according to the Wikipedia article they did radar observations in 1965 that disproved that.
Mercury is tidally locked. That's what spin-orbit resonance means. Most tidally locked bodies are in a 1:1 resonance with their companion; Mercury happens to be in a 3:2 resonance. But the dynamics and mechanisms are identical, regardless of the ratio.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:50 pm

longhorn_tish wrote:I have a question about the length of the Mercury Solar Day. I homeschool my children and we have been studying Mercury for the last 4 weeks. Every book we checked out from the library and even our astronomy textbook taught us that a day on Mercury was 59 earth days and a year was 88 earth days. Yet, this article and its references all say 176 earth days.
Mercury's sidereal rotation period is 58.7 (Earth) days, which is its "true" day length. But its solar rotation period is 176 days- that is, if you were on the planet, it would be 176 days from one noon to the next. This is, of course, much more extreme than on Earth, where a sidereal day is just four minutes shorter than a solar day. This is where the two numbers are coming from; understanding of the nature of Mercury's orbit and rotation hasn't changed in recent years.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:31 pm

jerloe wrote:Here's my comment. How come the image on the right has already be redacted? An upside down "L" around a couple of craters?
Gray areas are where there is no data. Presumably there was some sort of equipment or transmission failure when those areas were being imaged (we see this all the time with mosaic images). No doubt the data will get filled in after more observations are made.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by nstahl » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:22 pm

I also thought Mercury was tidally locked Orin, but according to the Wikipedia article they did radar observations in 1965 that disproved that. I suspect you and I read some of the same pre-'65 Sci Fi.

I found the animation to illustrate a Solar day very confusing. Partly I blame my lack of coffee, soon to be remedied, but also I finally noticed they'd only done half a day. Granted it would be kind of boring to sit there watching the sun not be in the sky but that's better than being led to believe it's always in the sky. I'd welcome a good explanation of why the sun slows down in its crossing of the sky. Or I could have my coffee and try to work it out for myself.

Anyway, very nice APOD, and science-rich.

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by longhorn_tish » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:21 pm

I have a question about the length of the Mercury Solar Day. I homeschool my children and we have been studying Mercury for the last 4 weeks. Every book we checked out from the library and even our astronomy textbook taught us that a day on Mercury was 59 earth days and a year was 88 earth days. Yet, this article and its references all say 176 earth days. Have astronomers changed the number in recent years? The books we checked out and our Astronomy text were all published in the late 90's and early 2000's.

Thanks for helping us understand this.

Tish

Re: APOD: MESSENGER's First Day (2011 Oct 08)

by Guest » Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:55 pm

did anyone notice this black rectangular shaped object on the monochrome map? it seems to be on the surface as a shadow could be seen too. Anyone has any idea what is that?

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