APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

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Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Beyond » Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:56 am

Flase wrote:Back to the subject of the moon, if a Māori does this to you, it is called "Whakapohane", and is a traditional insult. You must have done something to offend him.
http://workersparty.org.nz/2011/03/30/b ... akapohane/
That was a bit different.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Flase » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:58 am

Back to the subject of the moon, if a Māori does this to you, it is called "Whakapohane", and is a traditional insult. You must have done something to offend him.
http://workersparty.org.nz/2011/03/30/b ... akapohane/

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:53 pm

Flase wrote:Besides which, the better the pictures of the asteroids, the more popular it will be, affecting the bottom line for the bean counters and you can pick up a digital camera (< 0.2kg) for under $100, just plug it into a USB port and it will give you better quality than Voyager. If it's worth a billion bucks to send a probe, it's worth another hundred.
There are no consumer cameras out there that will give better images than the camera on the Voyagers... although in some limited ways, cameras in the several thousand dollar range might approach that. And none of those cameras would survive in the space environment, so by the time you customize the sensor and drive electronics, add the support systems, and qualify it, you're easily looking at an instrument that will consume quite a few millions of additional dollars.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Flase » Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:06 pm

I know Uranus is off topic but I'll always be impressed by the achievements of the Voyager project. The bloke who realised that all the gas giants would line up and there was an opportunity to kill so many birds with one stone, if you will, he should be proud of himself.
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I'm still disappointed they couldn't have cameras as good as this on the Dawn probe. When I took maths and physics at school, I was told "draw a picture" and it will help you see the problem for what it is. I just know that images for human eyes will help human scientists see possibilities, if they are still mortal. I don't think the decision makers really know why they even send these probes, just the idea that the more esoteric the information they gather, the more scientific it is. I blame the military and bean counters. No matter how good a mathematician somebody is, they still have to be a servant and may not have their own ideas. If you do, you have to be like Einstein and hide them from your boss as you work some lousy job (his was in a patent office). Besides which, the better the pictures of the asteroids, the more popular it will be, affecting the bottom line for the bean counters and you can pick up a digital camera (< 0.2kg) for under $100, just plug it into a USB port and it will give you better quality than Voyager. If it's worth a billion bucks to send a probe, it's worth another hundred.

Re: Wolfman Jack is EVERywhere!

by Flase » Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:41 am

Beyond wrote:Ah, wolves of the 2-legged variety. Their 'howl' is a 2-tone whistle. But that was before people started to "moon" other people.
This conversation's going to a rather dark place. ... like to a moon of Uranus. I give you one now. Haw haw
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Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Ann » Sat Jan 21, 2012 4:57 am

Oh. Okay, Boomer12k.

Yes, sometimes the wolf whistle is heard in Sweden.

And yes, I enjoy your correcting me when I'm wrong! Thanks!

Ann

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Boomer12k » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:09 am

If you look at this picture, and look at the moon....the Mare look like an animal on all fours...there is the head to the right, then to the left are the shoulders, then the back, and down is a leg, then below that it looks to be standing on a precipice looking outwards. It appears the head has its mouth OPEN....a WOLF BAYING????


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Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Boomer12k » Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:06 am

Ann wrote:
Starswarm Magellan wrote:Ann, do you hear the wolf whistle in Sweden? Thanks...
The wolf whistle? Not around where I live, that's for sure. I actually didn't know there was such a thing, although it makes sense, since dogs (I think) can hear sounds that we can't. And wolves are of course the original dogs. :ssmile:

Unfortunately, you shouldn't come to Sweden if you want to see wolves. There are some really wolf hating fanatics in this country, and there really aren't many wolves left. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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No, the only animals that you should come to Sweden in order to see are moose. They are moderately common here. Back when I was doing a bit of jogging - that was a long time ago - I actually almost ran into one, a female like the one I'm posting here. She had no horns, being a female, but boy, was she a big one.

Ann
Ann, That is not what Starswarm meant....a "wolf whistle"...is when a guy sees a pretty girl walking down the street....and does the "wolf whistle"..."wheeet wheeeww"......meaning basically...."OH...BOY!!!!"......
So Starswarm was wondering if you get that in Sweden....Enjoy???? :twisted:

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Re: Wolfman Jack is EVERywhere!

by Beyond » Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:21 pm

neufer wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Ah, wolves of the 2-legged variety. Their 'howl' is a 2-tone whistle. But that was before people started to "moon" other people.
I prefer Happy Days and the 'Fonse'. He operated on 'Cool', just like the light of the moon is cool, so in a sense... the Fonse was coolly 'mooning' everyone. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by neufer » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:32 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by TNT » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:20 pm

This is a really nice image. When I first saw the moon, I thought it was a harvest moon. All this talk about wolves though reminds me of this APOD.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by biddie67 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 10:08 pm

owlice wrote: ...... biddie, if you howl at the wolves, they will often howl back. :-)
Actually the people that run the preserve have guided tours every couple of weeks into one area of the preserve. One of the features that they have is getting the wolves there to do a pack howl for the tour group by having someone "howl" ~~ sometime they play a recording of a pack howl.

Years ago when I had a pack of 8 dogs, there were a couple of good howlers in it and I could get the group started in a pack howl fairly easily.

Now I'm down to 2 dogs, neither of which howl ~~ they ignore my attempts to start up a pack howl now-a-days!

(( Apologies to all for relating a favorite memory ... ))

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Ann » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:31 pm

Starswarm Magellan wrote:Ann, do you hear the wolf whistle in Sweden? Thanks...
The wolf whistle? Not around where I live, that's for sure. I actually didn't know there was such a thing, although it makes sense, since dogs (I think) can hear sounds that we can't. And wolves are of course the original dogs. :ssmile:

Unfortunately, you shouldn't come to Sweden if you want to see wolves. There are some really wolf hating fanatics in this country, and there really aren't many wolves left. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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No, the only animals that you should come to Sweden in order to see are moose. They are moderately common here. Back when I was doing a bit of jogging - that was a long time ago - I actually almost ran into one, a female like the one I'm posting here. She had no horns, being a female, but boy, was she a big one.

Ann

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Starswarm Magellan » Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:08 pm

Ann, do you hear the wolf whistle in Sweden? Thanks...

Wolfman Jack is EVERywhere!

by neufer » Fri Jan 20, 2012 6:00 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by orin stepanek » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:41 pm

When the kids were little; my wife and I took them to the zoo in Omaha! They had some timber wolves there and I was shocked at the size of them. :shock: The one was standing on all fours and he was looking at me eyeball to eyeball. He was just as tall as I was. I'm glad he was on the other side of the fence. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Beyond » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:11 pm

orin stepanek wrote:BTW! I like full moon scenes! Kudos to Goran Strand! Oh and this is for Beyond! :mrgreen:
ha-ha-ha. Orin, i've been thrown to the wolves a few times, but this is the first time anyone has thrown a wolf at me :!: Nice doggie, nice doggie, SIT!!

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:09 pm

Ann wrote:I like the yellow color of the Moon, which really reminds us that the Moon reflects the color of the Sun. In this case, like the caption points out, the Moon reflects the color of the reddened sunset Sun.
I find that to be a confusing sentence. The Sun, being white, never makes the Moon appear to have any color bias at all. And "reflect" has different meanings, but here can be confused with the usage when discussing a total lunar eclipse, where the Moon most literally is reflecting the red of sunset. In this case, we merely have a Moon illuminated by white light, which is reddened by atmospheric scattering in the last few miles before our eyes, and any "reflection" or "echo" is one of imagination, not physics.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by owlice » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:57 pm

You're welcome. I think the moon list in the Farmer's Almanac is probably the most popular for North America.

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by jinger » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:44 pm

owlice wrote:Moon names, in Native American and other cultures: http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonnames.htm
Thanks for the list - I was going to ask if anyone knew all the different moon names. They would make for good songs, as each season has its own essence. (Niel Young wrote Harvest Moon, a great tune)

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by rstevenson » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:22 pm

Most likely it would have been the first full moon after the shortest day of the year. And not all "Native Americans" would necessarily have named it that. There were many cultures here in North America before the invaders came, not one monolithic culture with one set of beliefs, one language and one scheme for naming moons.

Rob

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by mtc » Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:10 pm

"Native Americans would have called it the Wolf Moon, their traditional name for the first Full Moon in January"
Did Native Americans traditionally use the 12 month Eropean calendar?

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by owlice » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:23 pm

lol, moonstruck! You're welcome, and there are many other links out there with moon names; I just grabbed the first one.

biddie, if you howl at the wolves, they will often howl back. :-)

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by moonstruck » Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:20 pm

Thanks Owlice for posting the link with all the moon names. I had no idea. In fact I was....er...moonstruck :wink:

Re: APOD: The Wolf's Moon (2012 Jan 20)

by biddie67 » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:33 pm

I actually heard a pack of wolves howling the other night when I was outside and spotted the rising moon through the tall pines ~~ however these pines weren't the snow-covered beauties in today's APOD ~~ they are the skimpy Southern Pines!

But the wolf pack I heard wasn't from a free-roaming pack. There is a privately run wolf preserve a couple of miles from my home. Sometimes, in the winter when the leaves have fallen, I can occasionally hear them at night ~~ fascinating sound when you don't have to worry about protecting your pets or livestock.

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