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Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Beyond » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:48 pm

Yeah, you Oort not to do that :!: :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by neufer » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:42 pm

K1NS wrote:
neufer wrote:
Material traveling 3% of the speed of light will hardly be affected by the gravity of stars that they pass.

However, stars close to the explosion with powerful magnetic fields and/or stellar winds might have an impact.
Not true. For example, light travelling at 100% the speed of light is affected by the gravity of stars that it passes. (E.g., gravitational lensing.) Speed has little to do with it, except that the time the material is passing will be shorter at higher speed.
  • Gravitational lensing involves tiny angles and vast distances.
K1NS wrote:
But we now know that the sphere of our Sun's heliopause is a significant proportion of a LY, so material passing by a star at 3% the speed of light will be passing for a long time, possibly years. Surely the bent paths of this material could cause the asymmetries noted in the photo.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by K1NS » Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:53 pm

neufer wrote: Material traveling 3% of the speed of light will hardly be affected by the gravity of stars that they pass.

However, stars close to the explosion with powerful magnetic fields and/or stellar winds might have an impact.
Not true. For example, light travelling at 100% the speed of light is affected by the gravity of stars that it passes. (E.g., gravitational lensing.) Speed has little to do with it, except that the time the material is passing will be shorter at higher speed.

But we now know that the sphere of our Sun's heliopause is a significant proportion of a LY, so material passing by a star at 3% the speed of light will be passing for a long time, possibly years. Surely the bent paths of this material could cause the asymmetries noted in the photo.

Why the shells of an orbit are named: K,L,M,N?

by neufer » Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:19 pm

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_named_the_k_shell_orbit_and_why wrote:
Q: Why the shells of an orbit are named: K, L, M, N?

Answer: The names of the electron shells come from a fellow named Charles G. BarKLa, a spectroscopist who studied the X-rays that are emitted by atoms when they are hit with high energy electrons. He noticed that atoms appeared to emit two types of X-rays. The two types of X-rays differed in energy and BarKLa originally called the higher energy X-ray type A and the lower energy X-ray type B. He later renamed these two types K and L since he realized that the highest energy X-rays produced in his experiments might not be the highest energy X-ray possible. He wanted to make certain that there was room to add more discoveries without ending up with an alphabetical list of X-rays whose energies were mixed up. As it turns out, the K type X-ray is the highest energy X-ray an atom can emit. It is produced when an electron in the innermost shell is knocked free and then recaptured. This innermost shell is now called the K-shell, after the label used for the X-ray. BarKLa won the 1917 Nobel Prize for Physics for this work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barkla_%28crater%29 wrote:
<<BarKLa is a lunar impact crater that lies near the eastern limb of the Moon. It is located to the east of the prominent crater Langrenus, and was formerly designated Langrenus A before being renamed by the IAU. Due east of BarKLa is Kapteyn, a formation only slightly larger with a similar size. Southwest of BarKLa is the crater Lamé. The wall shows little appearance of erosion from subsequent impacts, and is not overlain by any craterlets of note.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-alpha wrote:
<<An example of K-alpha lines are those seen for iron as iron atoms radiating X-rays spiralling into a black hole at the center of a galaxy. For such purposes, the energy of the line is adequately calculated to 2-digit accuracy by the use of Moseley's law. This formula is 10.2 eV multiplied by the square of a quantity one less than the atomic number of the element in question (atomic number minus 1). For example, K-alpha for iron (Z = 26) is calculated in this fashion as 10.2 eV (25)2 = 6.38 keV energy. For astrophysical purposes, Doppler and other effects (such as gravitational broadening) show the iron line to no better accuracy than 6.4 keV.>>

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by ta152h0 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:35 pm

love clarified confusions much better than the chaotic confusions . Pass the ice cold one please, it is a new day. Thanks
W

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by MargaritaMc » Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:34 am

alter-ego wrote:
MargaritaMc wrote:
alter-ego wrote:This might be redundant, but I didn't see specific wavelength / energy clearly listed. To add some detail to the the above image link, I believe that red, green, and blue correspond to 0.5-0.8 keV (mostly, K lines of O), 0.8-2.0 keV (mostly, K lines of Ne, Mg, and Si), and 2.0-5.0 keV (mostly, synchrotron emission) bands. The middle-range wavelengths (in angstroms 1Å = 10-10 meters) for these X-Ray energies are 19Å (red), 8.9Å ( green), and 3.5Å (blue).
Never having heard of K lines , I did a search and found this:
K-line (spectrometry)
The K-line is a spectral peak in astronomical spectrometry used, along with the L-line, to observe and describe the light spectrum stars.

The K-line is associated with iron (Fe), and is described as being from emissions at ~6.14keV (thousands of electron volts).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry)
I am confused.
Well, MORE confused... :roll:

Margarita
Hi Margarita,
I'll try to simplify the perspective of the K-lines.
I think you know that atoms (elements) consist of nuclei "orbited" by electrons. Quantum physics describes these orbits (really energy levels) as having discrete values. If enough energy is transferred to an electron at one energy level, it will "jump" to another allowed level. When the excitation energy is high enough the electron is freed, and the atom is ionized. In the simple case, when an electron moves to another level, it (or another one) at that level jumps back to re-fill the empty energy level. When this happens energy is given off as electromagnetic radiation.
x-ray-emission.jpg
The graphic shows the allowed energy levels as orbital radii from the nucleus where the innermost orbital is known as the K-shell, then L-shell, etc. Note the arrows all point inward, and there is a set of "transition" arrows for each shell. Each arrow represents an electron jump to that orbital, and the longer the arrow, the higher the energy that's released during that transition. All transitions ending on a specific shell are given the name of that shell. So you can see set of longer arrows belong to the "K-lines", and consequently these lines generate the highest transition energies (X-rays). Now you can see that every element has a different set of shells, and therefore most elements have a set of K-lines (remember the energy levels we're discussing here are X-rays, not their lower-energy (visible) siblings.

I think this should help you understand K-lines. As a start, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-alpha
Of course, SN1006 is a very high-energy environment. X-rays are only part of the energy spectrum.

Hope this helps :)
THANK YOU SO MUCH!
Yes, that completely clarifies my confusion. Once you explained that the various election shells are known by various alphabetical letters and that transitions that end at a particular shell are known by that letter - light :idea: dawned!

It was the Wikipedia reference to IRON in relation to K- lines that totally through me off course. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry). I will refer to the Wikipedia link that you gave, about K- alpha, immediately!

Again - thank you very much for taking the time to explain this. I really appreciate it.

Margarita

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Borc » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:46 am

rstevenson wrote: Astronomers have looked for a remnant star, which there would be if SN 1006 was the usual white-dwarf-companion-of-a-larger-star kind of explosion. But none have been found, so they conclude it likely happened through the merger of two white dwarfs. Such a merger would leave no remnant star, but it would still be a type 1a.

Rob
Ah hah! I knew there was something I had missed. Makes sense. It was also pretty close compared to many of the (extra galactic!) explosions we see. Thanks.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by alter-ego » Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:28 am

MargaritaMc wrote:
alter-ego wrote:This might be redundant, but I didn't see specific wavelength / energy clearly listed. To add some detail to the the above image link, I believe that red, green, and blue correspond to 0.5-0.8 keV (mostly, K lines of O), 0.8-2.0 keV (mostly, K lines of Ne, Mg, and Si), and 2.0-5.0 keV (mostly, synchrotron emission) bands. The middle-range wavelengths (in angstroms 1Å = 10-10 meters) for these X-Ray energies are 19Å (red), 8.9Å ( green), and 3.5Å (blue).
Never having heard of K lines , I did a search and found this:
K-line (spectrometry)
The K-line is a spectral peak in astronomical spectrometry used, along with the L-line, to observe and describe the light spectrum stars.

The K-line is associated with iron (Fe), and is described as being from emissions at ~6.14keV (thousands of electron volts).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry)
I am confused.
Well, MORE confused... :roll:

Margarita
Hi Margarita,
I'll try to simplify the perspective of the K-lines.
I think you know that atoms (elements) consist of nuclei "orbited" by electrons. Quantum physics describes these orbits (really energy levels) as having discrete values. If enough energy is transferred to an electron at one energy level, it will "jump" to another allowed level. When the excitation energy is high enough the electron is freed, and the atom is ionized. In the simple case, when an electron moves to another level, it (or another one) at that level jumps back to re-fill the empty energy level. When this happens energy is given off as electromagnetic radiation.
X-Ray transition levels
X-Ray transition levels
The graphic shows the allowed energy levels as orbital radii from the nucleus where the innermost orbital is known as the K-shell, then L-shell, etc. Note the arrows all point inward, and there is a set of "transition" arrows for each shell. Each arrow represents an electron jump to that orbital, and the longer the arrow, the higher the energy that's released during that transition. All transitions ending on a specific shell are given the name of that shell. So you can see set of longer arrows belong to the "K-lines", and consequently these lines generate the highest transition energies (X-rays). Now you can see that every element has a different set of shells, and therefore most elements have a set of K-lines (remember the energy levels we're discussing here are X-rays, not their lower-energy (visible) siblings.

I think this should help you understand K-lines. As a start, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-alpha
Of course, SN1006 is a very high-energy environment. X-rays are only part of the energy spectrum.

Hope this helps :)

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by revloren » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:30 am

Pomegrantes in Space! :D

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by neufer » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:09 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by BMAONE23 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:11 pm

The Dawg wrote:
LocalColor wrote:This image looks like how my brain feels when I'm stressed...
It reminds me of the space-brain through which Piccard drove the Enterprise, giving the space-brain persona a sort of massive migraine. :oops:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by The Dawg » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:04 pm

LocalColor wrote:This image looks like how my brain feels when I'm stressed...
It reminds me of the space-brain through which Piccard drove the Enterprise, giving the space-brain persona a sort of massive migraine. :oops:

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by rstevenson » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:22 pm

Borc wrote:Curious, this was a white dwarf that ate mass from a companion till it went boom. Isn't that a 1a supernova? Or a standard candle? Was it only brighter due to distance, or was it not 1a?
Astronomers have looked for a remnant star, which there would be if SN 1006 was the usual white-dwarf-companion-of-a-larger-star kind of explosion. But none have been found, so they conclude it likely happened through the merger of two white dwarfs. Such a merger would leave no remnant star, but it would still be a type 1a.

Rob

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Borc » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:11 pm

Curious, this was a white dwarf that ate mass from a companion till it went boom. Isn't that a 1a supernova? Or a standard candle? Was it only brighter due to distance, or was it not 1a?

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Boomer12k » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:08 pm

Interesting RIFT at the bottom...if you look at it with less magnification on the computer screen, it looks like a SMILEY FACE....of JACK the PUMPKIN King in the "Nightmare Before Christmas".

But that is probably just me....

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Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Boomer12k » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:05 pm

An interesting way to study the phenomena of Supernova. Astronomical events appear to be layered...this is just another layer at other wavelengths.

We are having better weather....hoping to get out Wednesday night...if it is warm enough...clear but colder...

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Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by StarCuriousAero » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:57 pm

MargaritaMc wrote:
alter-ego wrote:This might be redundant, but I didn't see specific wavelength / energy clearly listed. To add some detail to the the above image link, I believe that red, green, and blue correspond to 0.5-0.8 keV (mostly, K lines of O), 0.8-2.0 keV (mostly, K lines of Ne, Mg, and Si), and 2.0-5.0 keV (mostly, synchrotron emission) bands. The middle-range wavelengths (in angstroms 1Å = 10-10 meters) for these X-Ray energies are 19Å (red), 8.9Å ( green), and 3.5Å (blue).
Never having heard of K lines , I did a search and found this:
K-line (spectrometry)
The K-line is a spectral peak in astronomical spectrometry used, along with the L-line, to observe and describe the light spectrum stars.

The K-line is associated with iron (Fe), and is described as being from emissions at ~6.14keV (thousands of electron volts).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry)
I am confused.
Well, MORE confused... :roll:
Margarita
Margarita, I think the answer to your question may be found in here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_spectroscopy
The K-line is an absorption line. A star emits light in a spectrum, and all elements absorb/block small parts of the spectrum when they are present somewhere between you and the light source. (Some absorption lines are known the indicate inter-stellar particles). Iron (Fe) is quite common in stars, and thus I'm guessing why that's one astronomers tend to look at. Hope that helped...

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by Psnarf » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:26 pm

I assume that the sphere is still expanding?
The iron is from the innermost core of the source. For reasons which elude my feeble brain, iron atoms are then end of the fusion chain that goes something like this:
H - He - C - O - Ne - Mg - Si - Fe
Helium is the product of hydrogen fusion; carbon is the product of helium fusion, etc. The byproduct of silicon fusion is hydrogen. It seems an odd coincidence that the center of the Earth is iron, lots of silicon to make these images on the computer screen, pressurized carbon makes diamonds, there is plenty of oxygen in the atmosphere and oceans. (It is a shame we don't use neon in refrigeration.) Those elements more likely came together with the heavier stuff under the lighter stuff, instead of a burned out star.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by MargaritaMc » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:38 pm

And Kevin K- line made a marvellous Pirate King, Art - but he is not the kind of Mega-Star about whom I am seeking information...
M

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by neufer » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:24 pm

MargaritaMc wrote:
Never having heard of K lines , I did a search and found this:
K-line (spectrometry)
The K-line is a spectral peak in astronomical spectrometry used, along with the L-line, to observe and describe the light spectrum stars.

The K-line is associated with iron (Fe), and is described as being from emissions at ~6.14keV (thousands of electron volts).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry)
I am confused.
Well, MORE confused... :roll:
Kevin K-line is known for his great stage presence:
. http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... evin-kline

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by MargaritaMc » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:09 pm

LocalColor wrote:This image looks like how my brain feels when I'm stressed...
Absolutely!!

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by MargaritaMc » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:07 pm

alter-ego wrote:This might be redundant, but I didn't see specific wavelength / energy clearly listed. To add some detail to the the above image link, I believe that red, green, and blue correspond to 0.5-0.8 keV (mostly, K lines of O), 0.8-2.0 keV (mostly, K lines of Ne, Mg, and Si), and 2.0-5.0 keV (mostly, synchrotron emission) bands. The middle-range wavelengths (in angstroms 1Å = 10-10 meters) for these X-Ray energies are 19Å (red), 8.9Å ( green), and 3.5Å (blue).
Never having heard of K lines , I did a search and found this:
K-line (spectrometry)
The K-line is a spectral peak in astronomical spectrometry used, along with the L-line, to observe and describe the light spectrum stars.

The K-line is associated with iron (Fe), and is described as being from emissions at ~6.14keV (thousands of electron volts).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-line_(spectrometry)
I am confused.
Well, MORE confused... :roll:

Margarita

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by LocalColor » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:00 pm

This image looks like how my brain feels when I'm stressed...

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by neufer » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:33 pm

K1NS wrote:
guysny wrote:
I'm curious about the asymmetries exhibited in this photograph.
In the 60 LY sphere shown in the photo are dozens of stars and quintillions of smaller objects, all of which the shock wave passed over. They could surely cause asymmetries, yeah.
Material traveling 3% of the speed of light will hardly be affected by the gravity of stars that they pass.

However, stars close to the explosion with powerful magnetic fields and/or stellar winds might have an impact.

Re: APOD: X rays from Supernova Remnant SN 1006 (2013 Apr 23

by K1NS » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:18 pm

guysny wrote:I'm curious about the asymmetries exhibited in this photograph.
In the 60 LY sphere shown in the photo are dozens of stars and quintillions of smaller objects, all of which the shock wave passed over. They could surely cause asymmetries, yeah.

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