APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

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What this has to do with Astronomy.

by neufer » Thu Sep 07, 2017 3:57 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript wrote:

<<Astronomical, 21 folios: Contains circular diagrams suggestive of astronomy or astrology, some of them with suns, moons, and stars. One series of 12 diagrams depicts conventional symbols for the zodiacal constellations (two fish for Pisces, a bull for Taurus, a hunter with crossbow for Sagittarius, etc.). Each of these has 30 female figures arranged in two or more concentric bands. Most of the females are at least partly nude, and each holds what appears to be a labeled star or is shown with the star attached to either arm by what could be a tether or cord of some kind. The last two pages of this section were lost (Aquarius and Capricornus, roughly January and February), while Aries and Taurus are split into four paired diagrams with 15 women and 15 stars each. Some of these diagrams are on fold-out pages.>>

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:14 pm

geckzilla wrote:This article seems legit enough. https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/publ ... -solution/
Interesting. It certainly sounds reasonable and plausible. I'd like to hear some commentary by other medievalists.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by geckzilla » Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:00 pm

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by JohnD » Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:19 pm

News about the Voynich manuscript from Keele U in the UK, reported in New Scientist.

Gordon Rugg noted that the language in the manuscript follows Zipf's Law, a statistical distribution whereby in "natural language utterances, the frequency of any word is inversely proportional to its rank in the frequency table." I quote from the Wiki article, because I don't understand it either. This has been taken as evidence that the manuscript is in a real language, not gibberish. Rugg has been able to construct a simple system using a grid of nonsense syllables and a card with holes in it that revealed syllables of the grid, that when put together in a passage of 'text', satisfy Zipf. Thus the previous assertion is proved wrong.
It sounds like the Acronym Generator, but is worthy of publication in an proper journal, Cryptologia - http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10. ... 16.1206753

John

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by The_Pyat » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:33 pm

Records an ancient pilgrimage from Fennoscandia to the Perm in the northern Urals marked by passage via waterways, many of which were subterranean. http://voynichbirths.blogspot.com/2015/ ... cient.html

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by wincel » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:43 am

It is an artificial letter system some sheik came up with (he invented a few) to write Somali language down. He published it in the early 1920th.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by Beyond » Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:55 pm

Thanks Case. That seems to be something that you wouldn't have known, unless you knew it.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by Case » Sun Jul 14, 2013 6:04 am

Beyond wrote:
wincel wrote:... but doesn't it look a lot like the Osmanya alphabet? http://www.obib.de/Schriften/AlteSchrif ... .html~Text
I couldn't find any Osmanya alphabet at your link. Where's it hiding?
It’s there, in the Africa section, just before the America section: Somalisch (Osmanya)

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Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by Beyond » Sun Jul 14, 2013 4:04 am

wincel wrote:Hi, I saw that Voynich manuscript picture mentioned and when looking at it, the letters looks indeed peculiar. Now I'm into fantasy things and for webdesign you often need something that looks "fantasy" enough as a font, so I'm always out looking for unique fonts/letters and languages to use that hit a "style" or atmosphere. Long story short, I've seen only a single page from that Voynich manuscript but doesn't it look a lot like the Osmanya alphabet?
http://www.obib.de/Schriften/AlteSchrif ... .html~Text
I couldn't find any Osmanya alphabet at your link. Where's it hiding?

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by wincel » Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:55 pm

Hi, I saw that Voynich manuscript picture mentioned and when looking at it, the letters looks indeed peculiar. Now I'm into fantasy things and for webdesign you often need something that looks "fantasy" enough as a font, so I'm always out looking for unique fonts/letters and languages to use that hit a "style" or atmosphere. Long story short, I've seen only a single page from that Voynich manuscript but doesn't it look a lot like the Osmanya alphabet?
http://www.obib.de/Schriften/AlteSchrif ... .html~Text

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by BMAONE23 » Fri Jun 28, 2013 9:11 pm

It is an interesting read though

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by JohnD » Fri Jun 28, 2013 5:13 pm

Oh, nads!
Spocked by BMA1.
John

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by geckzilla » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:08 pm

See the end of the previous page in the thread. ;)

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by JohnD » Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:06 pm

New Scientist reports new work that favours the Voynich being "a secret language or code".
See: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... -text.html

John

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by geckzilla » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:58 pm

:-|
The technique could also be used to determine whether there is meaning in genomes, possible messages from aliens or even the signals between neurons in the brain.
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Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by neufer » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:47 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:
This just in From New Scientist
New Scientist wrote:
A mysterious and beautiful 15th-century text that some researchers have recently deemed to be gibberish may not be a hoax after all. A new study suggests the text shares quantifiable features with genuine language, and so may contain a coded message.

That verdict emerges from a statistical technique that puts a figure on the information content of elements in a text or code, even if their meaning is unknown. The technique could also be used to determine whether there is meaning in genomes, possible messages from aliens or even the signals between neurons in the brain.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by BMAONE23 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:02 pm

Not trying to resurrect an old thread but

This just in
From New Scientist
New Scientist wrote:A mysterious and beautiful 15th-century text that some researchers have recently deemed to be gibberish may not be a hoax after all. A new study suggests the text shares quantifiable features with genuine language, and so may contain a coded message.

That verdict emerges from a statistical technique that puts a figure on the information content of elements in a text or code, even if their meaning is unknown. The technique could also be used to determine whether there is meaning in genomes, possible messages from aliens or even the signals between neurons in the brain.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by pdigilio1 » Sat May 11, 2013 8:45 pm

there are twelve spikes around what looks like the sun. there is also what looks like the moon around the sun. if that is so, then the twelve spikes represent the twelve lunar zodiac signs (and 12 months in a year). And maybe because there is two colors within each spike, (2 times 12 is 24), that makes up the 24 hours in a day. there is also a third section in each spike. so all three sections in each spike make 36. Also in the third section there is a group of stars. so:

"The Decans (pron.: /ˈdɛkənz/) (Egyptian bakiu) are 36 groups of stars (small constellations) which rise consecutively on the horizon throughout each earth rotation. The rising of each decan marked the beginning of a new decanal "hour" (Greek hōra) of the night for the ancient Egyptians, and they were used as a sidereal star clock beginning by at least the 9th or 10th Dynasty (ca 2100 BCE.)"

-( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decans)
which means this could be in some Ancient Greek or Egyptian dialect.

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by scocrista » Sat Oct 06, 2012 7:52 pm

I have a theory about the meaning of the star and its rays of light which may help to decode the strange language.

My background: I'm a twenty-two year old programmer, writer, musician, and philosopher. I'm attending college in Oklahoma to get my Bachelor's degree in Computer Science.

I'm no expert of Astronomy, but I appreciate cryptography of all sorts.

My proposition: The star is a decryption key.

If you count the blue and red and white rays, there are twelve of each. I think these tell the reader the position of the Earth around the sun (the months of the year). If you look further out past the rays there are nine columns of two stars and three columns of single stars. Between these columns are the names of months, with the thirteenth column being the word for the new year. Those three single stars might be where the new year begins (before or after), and from that reference point, you could decode the names of the months written in the strange language. This is just my speculation after a few minutes of analysis, but it seems to be correct. I don't have the knowledge required to decode this language, but there are probably clues in the style of writing, the origin of the document (where it may have came from), et cetera.

If you feel like collaborating with me, you can message me: scott.c.stauffer@gmail.com

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by geckzilla » Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:24 pm

Yes, but only through God can he translate it, and he can't explain it to anyone how he does it so therefore one cannot verify it... a likely story. Mystery remains.

Is it cracked? The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 3

by BMAONE23 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:38 pm

Has the mystery finally been cracked or only the person claiming to have done so
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/12/ ... anuscript/
Latvala provided the following translation of plant 16152, which he said can be found today in Ethiopia:

"The name of the flower is Heart of Fire.
It makes the skin beautiful when made as an ointment.
The oil is pressed from the buds.
This ointment is used for the wrinkles.
Is suitable for the kidneys and the head,
as the flower prevents inflammations, is antibiotic.
Plant is 10 centimeters by its height.
It grows on hot and dry slants.
The plant is bright green by its color."

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by owlice » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:46 pm

neufer wrote:"How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm" was out of your range :?:
No, but it was definitely out of my era!

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by neufer » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:40 pm

owlice wrote:
neufer wrote:
Ah, a song from my youth.
Ah, a song in my range; thanks!
"How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm" was out of your range :?:

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by owlice » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:52 am

neufer wrote:
  • Ah, a song from my youth.
Ah, a song in my range; thanks!

Re: APOD: The Mysterious Voynich Manuscript (2010 Jan 31)

by neufer » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:45 am

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
owlice wrote:
I'm listening.... but all I hear is my tinnitus
and a train way off in the distance... !
  • Ah, a song from my youth. :arrow:

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