APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

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Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Beyond » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:13 am

Anthony, you have to keep in mind that Chris lives w-a-y up in Abominable Snowman country, where the air is thinner, and he has access to strange :o_O: (incredulous) words and stuff that go floating by, that we 'lower-dwellers' don't have any idea of, such as "malnova". :yes: :lol2:

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:35 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:An interesting question. If it's between outbursts, does it still qualify as a nova?
If it's been a long time since its last outburst, would it be an old nova? :doh:
Exactly. A malnova.
Hmm, that word is not listed in my American Heritage Dictionary, and it doesn't appear in any of the dictionaries on dictionary.reference.com . There is a definition for an Esperanto word malnova on wiktionary.org , but I don't think of either Esperanto or wiktionary as being standard references for English usage.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Chris Peterson » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:56 pm

Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:An interesting question. If it's between outbursts, does it still qualify as a nova?
If it's been a long time since its last outburst, would it be an old nova? :doh:
Exactly. A malnova.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:06 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:An interesting question. If it's between outbursts, does it still qualify as a nova?
If it's been a long time since its last outburst, would it be an old nova? :doh:

Kexing Delphini

by neufer » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:24 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Whoever named novas didn't put that much forethought into it.
You could propose novas be renamed to something long, mundane, and more correct.
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guest_star_%28astronomy%29 wrote:
<<In Chinese astronomy, the term "guest star" (ke xing 客星) refers to a star which has suddenly appeared visible in a place where no star had previously been observed and becomes invisible again after some time. The term is a literal translation from ancient Chinese astronomical records. Modern astronomy recognizes that guest stars are manifestations of cataclysmic variable stars: novae and supernovae. Still, the term "guest star" is still used in the context of ancient records, since the exact classification of an astronomical event in question is based on interpretations of old records, rather than on direct observations. In ancient Chinese astronomy, guest stars were one of the three types of "new stars", the other two being comets in modern understanding.>>

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by geckzilla » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:32 am

Whoever named novas didn't put that much forethought into it. You could propose novas be renamed to something long, mundane, and more correct. In case you succeed, I think Neil has room in his bunker which protects him from rabid Pluto fans.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Chris Peterson » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:03 am

Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
Anthony Barreiro wrote:A brand new nova! How exciting!
What other kind of nova could their be? If it weren't new, it would be a malnova.
It could be a recurrent nova.
An interesting question. If it's between outbursts, does it still qualify as a nova?

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:52 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Anthony Barreiro wrote:A brand new nova! How exciting!
What other kind of nova could their be? If it weren't new, it would be a malnova.
It could be a recurrent nova.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:35 pm

Anthony Barreiro wrote:A brand new nova! How exciting!
What other kind of nova could their be? If it weren't new, it would be a malnova.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Beyond » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:55 pm

Anthony Barreiro wrote:A brand new nova! How exciting!
Yeah... but it's not really super. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:05 pm

Czernoo wrote:I have reviewed all the comments, still can't seem to find an definite hint of how long a typical nova such as this is supposed to stay extra-bright : days? weeks ? more ?

TIA
Greetings Czernoo. I'm catching up on apod's after taking a few days off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova wrote:A fast nova will typically take less than 25 days to decay by 2 magnitudes and a slow nova will take over 80 days.[Reference:] Warner, Brian (1995). Cataclysmic Variable Stars. Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0-521-41231-5.


So I guess we'll have to wait and see on this one. By the way, Sky and Telescope has a great page for this nova, with daily updates, links to the AAVSO light curve, and a detailed sky chart to help you find it.

I've been enjoying watching this nova wax and wane, in spite of passing clouds and the bright Moon. A brand new nova! How exciting!

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by geckzilla » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:50 am

I have cleaned up the supernova talk. I don't know why that even happened. If it happens again I am going to put giant, obnoxious text up to make sure people check their understanding that nova ≠ supernova.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Galaxian » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:52 pm

avogt wrote: Unfortunately since I am still learning how to take the photographs they are not as high quality as they could be.
If this is an example of you not at your best I *really* want to see what you do when you do better.
It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. It's a lovely image, thank you.
If you don't mind, I'm going to keep a copy for my collection of lovely astro-themed wallpapers that brighten up my machines.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by neufer » Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:19 am

http://www.universetoday.com/104192/update-on-the-bright-nova-delphini-2013-plus-a-gallery-of-images-from-our-readers/#more-104192 wrote: Update on the Bright Nova Delphini 2013;
by Nancy Atkinson on August 16, 2013

<<Since showing itself on August 14, 2013, a bright nova in the constellation Delphinus — now officially named Nova Delphini 2013 — has brightened even more. As of this writing, the nova is at magnitude 4.4 to 4.5, meaning that for the first time in years, there is a nova visible to the naked eye — if you have a dark enough sky. Even better, use binoculars or a telescope to see this “new star” in the sky.

The new nova is located in Delphinus alongside the familiar Summer Triangle outlined by Deneb, Vega and Altair. If you aren’t able to see the nova for yourself, there are a few online observing options:

The Virtual Star Party team, led by UT’s publisher Fraser Cain, will try to get a view during the next VSP, at Sunday night on Google+ — usually at this time of year, about 10 pm EDT/0200 UTC on Monday mornings.

The Virtual Telescope Project, based in Italy, will have an online observing session on August 19, 2013 at 20:00 UTC, and you can join astronomer Gianluca Masi at this link.

The Slooh online telescope had an observing session yesterday (which you can see here), and we’ll post an update if they plan any additional viewing sessions.

There’s no way to predict if the nova will remain bright for a few days more, and unfortunately the Moon is getting brighter and bigger in the sky (it will be full on August 20), so take the opportunity this weekend if you can to try and see the new nova.>>

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Ann » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:57 am

Czernoo wrote:I have reviewed all the comments, still can't seem to find an definite hint of how long a typical nova such as this is supposed to stay extra-bright : days? weeks ? more ?

TIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova#Development wrote:
The time taken for a nova to decay by 2 or 3 magnitudes from maximum optical brightness is used to classify a nova via its speed class. A fast nova will typically take less than 25 days to decay by 2 magnitudes and a slow nova will take over 80 days.[3]
Please note that Nova Delphinus will be quite faint when it has decayed by two magnitudes. It remains to be seen if this process is going to take about 25 or about 80 days!

Ann

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Czernoo » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:05 am

I have reviewed all the comments, still can't seem to find an definite hint of how long a typical nova such as this is supposed to stay extra-bright : days? weeks ? more ?

TIA

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:14 am

Ann wrote:[That's interesting, Chris. Do you think it is not sufficiently far away to be significantly reddened by Milky Way dust?

I would have guessed that the nova is at least a thousand light-years away.
Maybe it's that far away, I don't know. But 1000 ly is close. I was comparing it with supernovas, virtually always seen in other galaxies.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Ann » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:55 am

Chris Peterson wrote: This is a classical nova, not a supernova. I don't think the progenitor star has been conclusively identified, but it's probably fairly close (and inside our own galaxy, of course).
That's interesting, Chris. Do you think it is not sufficiently far away to be significantly reddened by Milky Way dust?

I would have guessed that the nova is at least a thousand light-years away.

Nova Delphini is quite close to constellation Sagitta, and I checked out a number of bright stars in Sagitta. Many of them have parallaxes of 5,6 or 7 milliarcseconds, making them several hundred but not a thousand light-years away. Admittedly these stars aren't significantly reddened. Do you think Nova Delphini is at a similar distance?

Ann

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:12 am

drollere wrote:if this is a type Ia supernova as the APOD caption asserts...
The caption asserts no such thing. This is a classical nova, not a supernova. I don't think the progenitor star has been conclusively identified, but it's probably fairly close (and inside our own galaxy, of course).

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Joe Stieber » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:19 pm

avogt wrote:I'm not positive but I may have inadvertently caught a photo of this the night of the 13th in Oregon while experimenting with my new camera.
Looking at the large version of the picture you linked, it does not include Nova Delphinus 2013 (even if it had erupted by the 13th). Altair is the bright star near the top edge towards the upper-left corner of your picture, so Sagitta, which points towards the nova, is above the top edge and not visible. Once you locate Altair (and its companion, Tarazed), it's easy to compare it to today's annotated APOD.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by avogt » Fri Aug 16, 2013 8:22 pm

I'm not positive but I may have inadvertently caught a photo of this the night of the 13th in Oregon while experimenting with my new camera. I've always wanted to get into this type of photography and spent that night and the night before taking pictures of the southerly sky from my back yard. The night of the 13th I shot 30 raw images for the purpose of trying a stacking software (I do still have the raw images as well). Unfortunately since I am still learning how to take the photographs they are not as high quality as they could be.

Andy

Edit: Unfortunately the more I look at it I think I was a little to low towards the horizon. Oh well would have been cool if I had caught it...

Original image url: http://www.ortelco.net/~vogtage/sky.jpg

Image

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by luigi » Fri Aug 16, 2013 7:18 pm

This is very interesting!

Is it correct to assume that a nova is like type Ia supernova but without enough force to make the star explode?
If that's right then I wonder how close this nova was to actually being a supernova, is there a way to know?

I also wonder how many binary systems are out there where a white dwarf is preparing for the big bang without anyone here knowing. Is there a list of such candidates? Was this star in the list?

So many questions? This APOD was very nice to me it triggered my curiosity.

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Boomer12k » Fri Aug 16, 2013 6:02 pm

Very interesting....would like to see....but the darn skys are overcast....

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Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by Ann » Fri Aug 16, 2013 5:18 pm

It's a nice picture of an interesting part of the Milky Way. I really appreciate the RGB colors.

I note that the nova is relatively blue. Perhaps that is to be expected from a brand-new nova, but not all cosmic explosions are blue. The most extraordinary recent brightening of any Milky Way star, V838 Monocerotis, was extremely red. Admittedly even V838 Mon started out blue.

As for Nova Delphinus 2013, it is certainly located quite far away behind a lot of Milky Way dust, so it is undoubtedly reddened. Therefore it is probably intrinsically bluer than it appears to be here - or it was. Right now the the energy of the explosion must be shifting towards longer wavelengths, reddening the light of it.

Ann

Re: APOD: Nova Delphini 2013 (2013 Aug 16)

by ta152h0 » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:53 pm

the cosmic blender is making salsa.....

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