APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov 01)

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Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Tue May 26, 2015 2:44 am

A more modernist impression of Starry Night, by the id of Vincent Van Dominogh.
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by neufer » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:53 pm

Nitpicker wrote:
Again with the Id Monster from Forbidden Planet?:
Image
MODERNIST
ID MONSTER
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modernist_literature wrote:
[img3="MODERNIST writers, like modernist painters, sometimes show a 'desperation to capture a reality that disappears in the instant of its occurring ... the uniqueness, the fluidity ... the evanescence but also the incredible beauty ... of the moment,' according to scholar of modernist literature David Thorburn. The artist shows an "agony and ecstasy" that the world is escaping right at the moment of creation. Painting: The Starry Night by Vincent van Gogh. "]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... t_edit.jpg[/img3]
<<MODERNIST literature, has its origins in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, mainly in Europe and North America. [It involves] a strand of thinking... that it was necessary to push aside previous norms entirely, instead of merely revising past knowledge in light of contemporary techniques. Influential in the early days of Modernism were the theories of Sigmund Freud (1856–1939), and Ernst Mach (1838–1916). Mach argued, beginning in the 1880s with The Science of Mechanics (1883), that the mind had a fundamental structure, and that subjective experience was based on the interplay of parts of the mind. Freud's first major work was Studies on Hysteria (1895). According to Freud's ideas, all subjective reality was based on the play of basic drives and instincts, through which the outside world was perceived. As a philosopher of science Ernst Mach was a major influence on logical positivism, and through his criticism of Isaac Newton, a forerunner of Einstein's theory of relativity. According to these ideas of Mach, the relations of objects in nature were not guaranteed but known only through a sort of mental shorthand. Freud's description of subjective states, involving an unconscious mind full of primal impulses, and counterbalancing self-imposed restrictions, was combined by Carl Jung (1875–1961) with the idea of the collective unconscious, with which the conscious mind fought or embraced. While Charles Darwin's work remade the aristotelian concept of "man, the animal" in the public mind, Jung suggested that human impulses toward breaking social norms were not the product of childishness, or ignorance, but rather derived from the essential nature of the human animal.>>

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Nitpicker » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:11 am

Again with the Id Monster from Forbidden Planet?:
Image

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Ann » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:57 pm

Göran Strand has just posted another image here at Starship Asterisk. It may be more "truly astronomical" then the Smoke Nebula in Frustrarius, but it looks like something out of the Wizard of Oz! :shock: :shock: :shock:

Ann

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by neufer » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:43 am

ta152h0 wrote:
that was a quick trip to April 1st, two of them in one year
The Smoke Nebula is a few light-nanoseconds from planet Earth so you have to account for time delay.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by ta152h0 » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:54 am

that was a quick trip to April 1st, two of them in one year

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by geckzilla » Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:11 am

JohnD wrote:Is this an Anti-April Fool?
Sort of slow-news day?
JOhn
If you think just a little bit about it and perhaps read some of the rest of the thread, you might figure it out. :wink:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by JohnD » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:02 pm

Is this an Anti-April Fool?
Sort of slow-news day?
JOhn

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Guest » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:46 pm

Caesariatus wrote:Shouldn't that be "Frustratus"? From frustrari.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Boomer12k » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm

When you can't see stars and nebula...now you can make your own....

Creator of your own Universe!

:---[===] *

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Anthony Barreiro » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:21 pm

treBsdrawkcaB wrote:This would have been a great post for the April first entry!
.treB sknahT

(Mercury retrograde is conjuncting the Sun in tropical Scorpio today, so it makes perfect sense that this apod would appear five months early. Or seven months late.)

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by neufer » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:30 pm

geckzilla wrote:
It's a very bad idea to hug an ill-tempered lizard.
Especially one:
  • 1) with nearly five hundred thousand keratinous hairs on each extremity

    2) who might decapitate you in your sleep.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:23 pm

I try not to get close to ill tempered anything's. That's why i sent the smilie. It's arms are a l--o--t longer than they look in this limited posting space. :yes:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by geckzilla » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:31 pm

That awkwardness thing, Beyond? It's not good. You should try to be less awkward in the future. For your own sake. It's a very bad idea to hug an ill-tempered lizard.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:56 pm

geckzilla wrote:You've failed that matter, Beyond. We're trying hard to steer you back on track, though.
Aww, you're such a dear. Have a hug Image. Have two hugs. You can share one with Pat. Image

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by treBsdrawkcaB » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:57 pm

This would have been a great post for the April first entry!

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by geckzilla » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:35 pm

You've failed that matter, Beyond. We're trying hard to steer you back on track, though.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:16 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:Perfection would add: but if you reach the fringe, you've gone too far.
Au contraire, O' star gazing wise Abominable one . When you've reached the fringe, you know that you're about to get somewhere. It's just a matter of going through and not getting lost in it's meanderings. :yes:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:10 pm

Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:Being part Scandinavian but not quite fair-haired I might get away with this. "To Find the Truth, You Must go Blonde" came to mind. We all have our days and today's APOD got me I must admit. :oops:
Ah! Good one, that. :lol2: :lol2:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Ron-Astro Pharmacist » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:47 pm

Being part Scandinavian but not quite fair-haired I might get away with this. "To Find the Truth, You Must go Blonde" came to mind. We all have our days and today's APOD got me I must admit. :oops:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Chris Peterson » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:36 pm

Beyond wrote:
Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends?? :)
Being somewhat 'dense' at times, I'm not getting your meaning. But as for my signature, i hate to mess with perfection. :lol2:
Perfection would add: but if you reach the fringe, you've gone too far.

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:30 pm

Ron-Astro Pharmacist wrote:
Gee, thanks Ann. Now I'm stuck at the bottom of a very deep Mandelbrot hole, with a bad case of Mandelbrotitis
You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends?? :)
Being somewhat 'dense' at times, I'm not getting your meaning. But as for my signature, i hate to mess with perfection. :lol2:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Beyond » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:21 pm

Thanks neufer. I didn't know The Odd Couple show was related to the 7th planet. :lol2:

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by neufer » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:10 pm

Beyond wrote:
Psnarf wrote:
There's a red monster reminiscent of the one in "Forbidden Planet" that I was going to highlight before learning it's all smoke and mirrors.
Just think of it as 'special' effects, just like the monster of the id. :yes:
http://peace.saumag.edu/faculty/kardas/courses/GPWeiten/C12Personality/EgoIDSuper.html wrote: <<The structure of the personality in psychoanalytic theory is threefold. Freud divided it into the id, the ego, and the superego. Only the ego was visible or on the surface, while the id and the superego remains below, but each has its own effects on the personality, nonetheless.

The id represents biological forces. It is also a constant in the personality as it is always present. The id is governed by the "pleasure principle", or the notion of hedonism (the seeking of pleasure). Early in the development of his theory Freud saw sexual energy only, or the libido, or the life instinct, as the only source of energy for the id. It was this notion that gave rise to the popular conception that psychoanalysis was all about sex, sex, sex. After the carnage of World War I, however, Freud felt it necessary to add another instinct, or source of energy, to the id. So, he proposed thanatos, the death instinct. Thanatos accounts for the instinctual violent urges of humankind. Obviously, the rest of the personality would have somehow to deal with these two instincts. Notice how Hollywood has capitalized on the id. Box office success is highly correlated with movies that stress either sex, violence, or both.

Aspects of adult behavior such as smoking, neatness, and need for sexual behavior were linked to the various stages by fixation. To Freud, fixation is a measure of the effort required to travel through any particular stage, and great efforts in childhood were reflected in adult behavior. Fixation can also be interpreted as the learning of pattens or habits. Part of the criticism of psychoanalysis was that fixation could be interpreted in diametrically opposite fashion. For example, fixation in the anal stage could lead to excessive neatness or sloppiness. Neil Simon's play, "The Odd Couple", is a celebration of anal fixation, with Oscar and Felix representing the two opposite ends of the fixation continuum (Oscar-sloppy, Felix-neat).>>
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20001197 wrote:
A psychoanalytic study of Edward de Vere's The Tempest. by Waugaman RM.
J Am Acad Psychoanal Dyn Psychiatry. 2009 Winter;37(4):627-43. doi: 10.1521/jaap.2009.37.4.627.

Abstract: <<There is now abundant evidence that Freud was correct in believing Edward de Vere (1550-1604) wrote under the pseudonym "William Shakespeare." One common reaction is "What difference does it make?" I address that question by examining many significant connections between de Vere's life and The Tempest. Such studies promise to bring our understanding of Shakespeare's works back into line with our usual psychoanalytic approach to literature, which examines how a great writer's imagination weaves a new creation out of the threads of his or her life experiences. One source of the intense controversy about de Vere's authorship is our idealization of the traditional author, about whom we know so little that, as Freud noted, we can imagine his personality was as fine as his works.>>

Re: APOD: NGC 7841: The Smoke Nebula in Frustriaus (2013 Nov

by Ron-Astro Pharmacist » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:01 pm

Gee, thanks Ann. Now I'm stuck at the bottom of a very deep Mandelbrot hole, with a bad case of Mandelbrotitis
You've got to love the good natured kidding this site. Maybe you can just change your "Beyond" quote for today "just slightly" in light of our Scandinavian friends?? :)

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