APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

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Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Nitpicker » Sun May 31, 2015 12:30 am

On closer inspection, I would be surprised if these images hadn't been de-rotated to 14:37 and 15:02 UT, respectively. The images are too good to have not been de-rotated.

I am not sure if anyone pays close attention to Saturn's CM I and CM II system measurements anymore. CM III seems to be the most useful one these days. I imagine the de-rotating software automatically calculates all three system CMs ... to satisfy the information gluttons.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by DavidLeodis » Sat May 30, 2015 11:36 pm

Thanks Nitpicker for that very helpful reply :).

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Nitpicker » Sat May 30, 2015 11:00 pm

DavidLeodis wrote:As nobody has asked it seems reasonable to assume that their meaning is well-known but as I don't know I would be grateful if someone could please let me know what the 'I: 152 II: 302 III: 298 (42 min)' and the 'IR I: 167 II:316 III: 312 (7min)' mean? (the IR will be Infrared). I'm guessing the 'S: 7-8/10' may be the seeing conditions being 7 to 8 out of 10 (which sounds like that is OK) but what does the 'T: 3-4/5' mean? Thanks for any help :). They are nice images of :saturn:.

The I, II and III annotation is the Saturn central meridian apparent in the image, for three different measurement systems that have been adopted over the years. The surface of Saturn is observed to rotate at different rates at different latitudes, different again from the rotation rate of its magnetic field. More detail may be found on this page:
http://www.southastrodel.com/PageSaturn003.htm

Note that over the 42 minute period that the RGB image was recorded, Saturn would have rotated on its axis by more than 23 degrees. I am not sure if this image has been de-rotated. I don't suppose it makes a big difference unless there is an obvious storm visible.

I think you are right that "S" is for atmospheric seeing and I might guess that "T" is for atmospheric transparency. Various scales are used to describe seeing and transparency and I don't know which ones Mister Go has specified. (I haven't checked Mister Go's website in detail, but one might deduct a point for transparency from him, for not providing accessible explanations on these small matters.)

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by DavidLeodis » Sat May 30, 2015 5:36 pm

geckzilla wrote:I think you better ask him, David. I looked around the site and could find no clues.
Thanks for trying geckzilla, which is appreciated :). Perhaps there were others like me that did not know but they were :oops: to enquire (or never even noticed!).

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by geckzilla » Sat May 30, 2015 4:37 pm

I think you better ask him, David. I looked around the site and could find no clues.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by DavidLeodis » Sat May 30, 2015 12:03 pm

As nobody has asked it seems reasonable to assume that their meaning is well-known but as I don't know I would be grateful if someone could please let me know what the 'I: 152 II: 302 III: 298 (42 min)' and the 'IR I: 167 II:316 III: 312 (7min)' mean? (the IR will be Infrared). I'm guessing the 'S: 7-8/10' may be the seeing conditions being 7 to 8 out of 10 (which sounds like that is OK) but what does the 'T: 3-4/5' mean? Thanks for any help :). They are nice images of :saturn:.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Isaiah » Sat May 30, 2015 5:38 am

Great shot of the North Pole Hexagon!

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by ta152h0 » Sat May 30, 2015 5:04 am

clouds, clouds and more clouds

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by ta152h0 » Fri May 29, 2015 9:56 pm

when you have lemons, make lemonade. I can always look a the moon and still marvel at how puny we are

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Beyond » Fri May 29, 2015 8:03 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:
ta152h0 wrote:Clear night scheduled tonight. midnight. no cloud baiting please
Wolf,
I would think that you would also be hoping for Clear Skies on Wednesday (full moon)
Clear night. Full moon. Wolf. :b:. Oh my.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Visual_Astronomer » Fri May 29, 2015 7:23 pm

WCorvi wrote:Surely the ring particles cast shadows, but they are not visible from earth (right behind the particle from our point of view).
Yes, the ring particles do cast shadows. Depending on the orientation, it is possible to see the shadow of the rings on the planet.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by BMAONE23 » Fri May 29, 2015 7:15 pm

ta152h0 wrote:Clear night scheduled tonight. midnight. no cloud baiting please
Wolf,
I would think that you would also be hoping for Clear Skies on Wednesday (full moon)

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by ta152h0 » Fri May 29, 2015 6:13 pm

Clear night scheduled tonight. midnight. no cloud baiting please

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by MSales » Fri May 29, 2015 11:06 am

jalbertt wrote:It's Antares part of Scorpius, rather than Sagittarius?
Yes, Antares is Alpha Scorpii

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by MSales » Fri May 29, 2015 11:05 am

geckzilla wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
Tex wrote:Scorpius, not Sagittarius.
I went to double check this and it seems to be in Libra!
And now I double checked myself to realize that the sentence means Antares is in that constellation, not Saturn.
But Antares in Sagittarius? Antares is Alpha Scorpii...

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by jalbertt » Fri May 29, 2015 10:31 am

It's Antares part of Scorpius, rather than Sagittarius?

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by RedFishBlueFish » Fri May 29, 2015 9:58 am

HellCat wrote:Fantastic job, Chris!
As an average viewer, I would have liked to see an inset showing a series of pictures taken with identical exposure times / filters. The two gorgeous views here force the viewer to read the information and understand that one image is 6 times fainter than the other.
Steve
Yes.

As presented, one felt as though one were viewing one of those "what is the difference in these two picture" puzzles.

Good on you for figuring out the parenthetical 'min' in the text on the images themselves must be exposure time.

The link on the page to the well remembered and lyrically beautiful Lyrid Shower { http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap150423.html } did make up for the otherwise underwhelming - at least, to us great unwashed - presentation of the Seelinger Effect which, as you mention, would have been more striking had identically exposed images also been included.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by vl.diascosta » Fri May 29, 2015 8:51 am

Antares is the Alpha Scorpii! It's not the alpha star of the constellation Sagittarius, as it is mensioned in today's picture.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by HellCat » Fri May 29, 2015 8:25 am

Fantastic job, Chris!

As an average viewer, I would have liked to see an inset showing a series of pictures taken with identical exposure times / filters. The two gorgeous views here force the viewer to read the information and understand that one image is 6 times fainter than the other.

Steve

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by WCorvi » Fri May 29, 2015 6:38 am

Surely the ring particles cast shadows, but they are not visible from earth (right behind the particle from our point of view).

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Ann » Fri May 29, 2015 5:50 am

Nitpicker wrote:Fantastic images, Mister Go! Thank you. Question: what does the IR image indicate that the RGB image does not?
Ann wrote:Well, what a difference this is compared with the first ever closeups of Saturn sent back to Earth from Voyager 1. Saturn certainly wasn't at opposition at that time, and the rings looked so dark.

Ann
Hi Ann. The fact that Saturn wasn't in opposition to Earth in November 1980, when Voyager 1 flew past, had no bearing on the relative brightness of the rings in its images. That depended only on the position of Voyager 1, relative to Saturn and the Sun and on Saturn's axial inclination to the Sun (which was a lot less than at present).
Thanks for that explanation, Nit! :D

Speaking of Alpha Sagittarii, it's a pale little dot - well, it's brighter than the Sun and it's blue, so that is not so bad. But it is only fourth magnitude.

Ann

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Nitpicker » Fri May 29, 2015 5:36 am

On the plus side, I just taught myself that the alpha star of Sgr (currently almost 40 degrees from Saturn) is named Rukbat or Alrami, for the knee of the archer. :ssmile:

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by geckzilla » Fri May 29, 2015 5:19 am

geckzilla wrote:
Tex wrote:Scorpius, not Sagittarius.
I went to double check this and it seems to be in Libra!
And now I double checked myself to realize that the sentence means Antares is in that constellation, not Saturn.

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by geckzilla » Fri May 29, 2015 5:14 am

Tex wrote:Scorpius, not Sagittarius.
I went to double check this and it seems to be in Libra!

Re: APOD: Saturn at Opposition (2015 May 29)

by Tex » Fri May 29, 2015 5:10 am

Scorpius, not Sagittarius.

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