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[quote="geckzilla"]It's completely gone, David.[/quote]

Thanks geckzilla :). It's reassuring to find that it is not a problem with my internet connection.

It's completely gone, David.

I have been unable to open the 'above time-lapse sequence' link with 2 browsers that I have. I wonder if anyone else has that problem or is it just related to my internet connection? :?

[quote="Fred the Cat"]I wish I had the skill for this but maybe a real astrophotographer can take on the challenge. (Besides that I'm working on Monday) Wouldn't it be a great image to catch our sun with both [url=http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/rover-astronomy/mercury-transit-mars/]Mercury[/url] and the [url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/02/photobomb_iss_transits_the_sun_by_thierry_legault.html]ISS[/url] in transit?

That way Sol can have both perforations [i]and[/i] a zipper. :ssmile: Who knows maybe a [url=http://spaceinfo.com.au/2012/05/29/venus-transit-live-view-from-the-arctic/]plane[/url] will fly by too? :wink: You never know. Supposedly it worked for [url=http://iss-transit.sourceforge.net/IssVenusTransit.html]Venus.[/url] :clap:[/quote]
Looks like that was done for the 2004 Venus transit:
[url]http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/International_Space_Station/Dual_ISS_and_Venus_transit_viewed_from_Slovakia[/url]

[img2]http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2004/06/dual_transit_of_venus_and_iss_on_8_june_2004/10166626-2-eng-GB/Dual_transit_of_Venus_and_ISS_on_8_June_2004_large.jpg[/img2]

And the Hubble was captured during the 2012 Venus transit:
[img2]https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/946xvariable_height/public/images/658115main_Legault-transit-hst-orig_full.jpg?itok=5w3HS8VB[/img2]

Nice image of it...

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I wish I had the skill for this but maybe a real astrophotographer can take on the challenge. (Besides that I'm working on Monday) Wouldn't it be a great image to catch our sun with both [url=http://mars.nasa.gov/allaboutmars/nightsky/rover-astronomy/mercury-transit-mars/]Mercury[/url] and the [url=http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/09/02/photobomb_iss_transits_the_sun_by_thierry_legault.html]ISS[/url] in transit?

That way Sol can have both perforations [i]and[/i] a zipper. :ssmile: Who knows maybe a [url=http://spaceinfo.com.au/2012/05/29/venus-transit-live-view-from-the-arctic/]plane[/url] will fly by too? :wink: You never know. Supposedly it worked for [url=http://iss-transit.sourceforge.net/IssVenusTransit.html]Venus.[/url] :clap:

[quote="Tekija"]Reversing the stakes, what is the angular diameter of the Sun for an imaginary Mercurian observer?[/quote]
For the upcoming transit on May 9th, the sun will have an apparent diameter (from earth) of 0.528 degrees. The earth will be 1.009 au from the Sun and Mercury will be 0.446 au from the sun. Therefore, from Mercury, the sun will be about 1.009/0.446 x 0.528 = 1.2 degrees apparent diameter (data from the [url=http://www.willbell.com/almanacs/almanac_mica.htm]U.S. Naval Observatory's MICA software[/url]).

Given that Mercury will present an apparent diameter (from earth) of 12.0 arc seconds during the transit, and the sun will be 1900.8 arc seconds apparent diameter, Mercury will cover just 0.004% of the apparent solar surface area. Correspondingly, 99.996% of the solar surface will remain visible. Ignoring limb darkening, sunspots, flares, etc., that means Mercury will cause a miniscule 0.000043 magnitude dimming in the sun's nominal magnitude -26.7 brilliance during transit. Calculation: (log 0.99996)/(log of the fifth root of 100); diameter data from USNO's MICA.

[quote="BMAONE23"]Considering that Mercury covered such a small portion of the Sun's surface (smaller than many larger Sun Spots) it would more likely go undetected by any instrument incapable of discerning a small Exo-planet from a Star-spot. The only telltale sign would be from the Duration and repetition of the event as planets cross in hours in a continual orbit while spots cross and can form and decay over the course of days, many crossing only once. (at least for our local star.)[/quote]

Reversing the stakes, what is the angular diameter of the Sun for an imaginary Mercurian observer?

Considering that Mercury covered such a small portion of the Sun's surface (smaller than many larger Sun Spots) it would more likely go undetected by any instrument incapable of discerning a small Exo-planet from a Star-spot. The only telltale sign would be from the Duration and repetition of the event as planets cross in hours in a continual orbit while spots cross and can form and decay over the course of days, many crossing only once. (at least for our local star.)

[quote="MarkBour"]I'm guessing that the limits of observability with a given camera that can detect stellar variations depend on the luminescence of the star (as seen at the camera) and then the relative size of the planet and star.[/quote]
It's purely a question of signal to noise. Measurement noise with good instrumentation reduces to the square root of the signal. So you can detect an arbitrarily small reduction in intensity given that you collect enough signal. In other words, all you need is a telescope with sufficient aperture. However, this presumes your star is a steady source. No star is perfectly steady, and if the degree of native intensity fluctuation is too large,the only way to detect a transit would be by comparing data over a long enough period to have many orbits.

Okay, so you're 2000 light years away from Sol, and staring at it patiently with a bunch of CCDs. And this transit happens. It seems incredible that we could detect it. If we're talking about our Kepler spacecraft, I think Mercury occulting Sol might be too subtle to detect at that distance.

I'm guessing that the limits of observability with a given camera that can detect stellar variations depend on the luminescence of the star (as seen at the camera) and then the relative size of the planet and star. It seems it would not matter how large the planet's orbit was, since at that distance it won't affect the area of blockage during an occultation. (Admittedly, larger orbits produce fewer events per time.) Here on Earth, so close to Sol, the size of an inner planet's orbit will have a large affect on the size of the silhouette-disk we see. I assume we have never detected a planet that was at all transparent. If ever there was one, I guess that would have to be an additional factor in determining the thresholds.

Washington Post had an article a few days ago knocking Astrology of Mercury: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/04/29/people-are-freaking-about-mercury-in-retrograde-this-is-whats-really-going-on/

[float=right][img2]https://storybird.s3.amazonaws.com/artwork/Pascal/full/look-ma-no-hands.jpeg[/img2][/float] Look Ma, an eclipse!

(And maybe it's an elephant...)

Ann

[url=http://main.slooh.com/event/transit-of-mercury/][b][i]Slooh: Watch the Transit of Mercury Live Online on Monday, May 9th[/i][/b][/url]
[url=http://www.europlanet-eu.org/transit-of-mercury-european-events-and-media-contacts/][b][i]Europlanet: European Events & Contacts for May 9th Transit of Mercury[/i][/b][/url]
[url=http://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-to-provide-coverage-of-may-9-mercury-transit-of-the-sun][b][i]NASA/GSFC: NASA to Provide Coverage of May 9 Mercury Transit of the Sun[/i][/b][/url]

[url=http://www.skyandtelescope.com/press-releases/may-9-transit-of-mercury/][b][i]S&T: How & When to See May 9th's Transit of Mercury[/i][/b][/url]

[url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap160504.html][img]http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/calendar/S_160504.jpg[/img] [size=150]A Mercury Transit Sequence[/size][/url]

[b] Explanation: [/b] This coming Monday, [url=http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/mercury]Mercury[/url] will cross the [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap060925.html]face[/url] of the [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/sun.html]Sun[/url], as [url=http://www.universetoday.com/128321/guide-upcoming-transit-mercury/]seen[/url] from Earth. Called a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_(astronomy)]transit[/url], the last time this happened was in [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap061114.html]2006[/url]. Because the [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/%20http://hotmath.com/learning_activities/interactivities/3dsystems.swf]plane[/url] of Mercury's orbit is not exactly coincident with the [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap001014.html]plane of Earth's orbit[/url], Mercury usually [url=http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/transit/catalog/MercuryCatalog.html]appears[/url] to pass over or under the Sun. The [url=http://users.pandora.be/create/mercury.htm]above time-lapse sequence[/url], superimposed on a single frame, was taken from a balcony in [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgium]Belgium[/url] shows the entire [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030508.html]transit[/url] of 2003 May 7. The [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap030513.html]solar crossing[/url] lasted over five hours, so that the above 23 images were taken roughly 15 minutes apart. The [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap040919.html]north pole[/url] of the [url=https://www.nasa.gov/sun]Sun[/url], the [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap001020.html]Earth[/url]'s orbit, and [url=https://www.nasa.gov/planetmercury]Mercury[/url]'s orbit, although all different, all occur in directions slightly above the left of the image. Near the center and on the far right, [url=http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap000223.html]sunspot[/url]s are visible. After [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu9ASSZQEbg]Monday[/url], the next [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Mercury]transit of Mercury[/url] will occur in 2019.

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