APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

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Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by neufer » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:55 am

Nitpicker wrote:
Thelma and Louise is a rare example of a Hollywood film without a Hollywood ending.
(I remember the complaints at the time it was showing.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Ending wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
<<Hollywood Ending is a 2002 American comedy film written and directed by Woody Allen, who also plays the principal character. It tells the story of a once-famous film director who suffers hysterical blindness due to the intense pressure of directing.

Val Waxman (Allen) is a once prestigious film director lately reduced to overseeing cheesy television commercials in order to pay his bills and support his current live-in girlfriend, Lori (Debra Messing). When he is thrown off his latest effort (a deodorant commercial being filmed in the frozen north), he desperately seeks a real movie project.

Out of the blue, Val receives an offer to direct a big-budget blockbuster movie to be set in New York City. However, the offer comes from his former wife, Ellie (Téa Leoni), and her current boyfriend, Hal (Treat Williams), the studio head who stole Val's wife from him. Val agrees to the project, but a psychosomatic ailment strikes him blind just before production is to begin.
  • Ellie: What are you going to do? Are you, are you going to edit it blind, too?
    Put in the music blind? Go to the premier blind? At least you won't be able to read the reviews.
Val keeps his blindness a secret from the cast and studio head. The movie plays out with an aging director struggling to regain his vision, both literally and metaphorically. In the end, Val's project costs $60 million—and flops. Nevertheless, Val enjoys a "Hollywood ending" of his own—his movie is a hit in France.

_Hollywood Ending_ was a failure in American theaters, with ticket sales under $5 million with a worldwide gross of only $14.8 million. It was screened out of competition at the 2002 Cannes Film Festival. In the United Kingdom, it was the first of Allen's films not to receive a theatrical release. In 2016 film critics Robbie Collin and Tim Robey ranked Hollywood Ending as the worst movie by Woody Allen.>>

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Nitpicker » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:09 pm

Thelma and Louise is a rare example of a Hollywood film without a Hollywood ending. (I remember the complaints at the time it was showing.)

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Ann » Thu Jun 22, 2017 4:27 am

Nitpicker wrote:Cool arthouse cinema. I love it. Cassini won't have a Hollywood ending, either.







Ann

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Lasse H » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:33 pm

I have viewed all of the vimeo links from "douglas" above, and they all seem, to me, to be the same movie as the APOD. They all mix moons, rings, stars, and planets at the same record-breaking speed, and I seldom have the time to reflect on what I am seeing (or what I just saw half a second ago).
I'm sorry, but it's mostly a meaningless jumble to me. Maybe I'm too old. Also, I cannot find any speed dial where you can slow down to 25%, like the one youtube videos usually have.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Case » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:41 am

RJN wrote:I'm not sure what to make of it!
At least APOD gets credited this time. That is not always so with the copy-paste ‘news’ sites.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by RJN » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:47 pm

I just became aware of this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... ssini.html
I'm not sure what to make of it!

- RJN

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:40 pm

rstevenson wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
Amazing wrote:About 150 years ago we were capturing images with ferrotypes - one wonders if in 150 years from now, we'll even bother to look out the window of craft passing by Saturn....
Why would we ourselves be in such a craft when the identical experience could be had from our living room chair?
Some people watch travelogues; some people travel.
That's true while there's a discernible difference. That might not be the case in 150 years.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by sillyworm » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:36 pm

As someone pointed out earlier...you can manipulate the speed at your leisure using your finger etc.That was one of my first thoughts as well(too fast).....but...glass half full....I am intrigued by the presentation. Thanks!

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by rstevenson » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:15 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Amazing wrote:About 150 years ago we were capturing images with ferrotypes - one wonders if in 150 years from now, we'll even bother to look out the window of craft passing by Saturn....
Why would we ourselves be in such a craft when the identical experience could be had from our living room chair?
Some people watch travelogues; some people travel.

Rob

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:53 pm

Amazing wrote:About 150 years ago we were capturing images with ferrotypes - one wonders if in 150 years from now, we'll even bother to look out the window of craft passing by Saturn....
Why would we ourselves be in such a craft when the identical experience could be had from our living room chair?

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Amazing » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:47 pm

About 150 years ago we were capturing images with ferrotypes - one wonders if in 150 years from now, we'll even bother to look out the window of craft passing by Saturn....

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by andrew@headshot.com.au » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:42 am

I appreciate a lot of work has gone into this but by producing the frame rate at warp speed it just looks amateurish in my opinion - sorry but there it is.
There's some breathtaking moments there and if they were presented at an appropriate (ie: slow- frame rate) then this would be soooo much better as the viewer could take in the glory of the universe and the amazing captures by Cassini.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by sillyworm » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:13 pm

Stunning...Eternally Exotic.....Artfully exhibited....Fascinating.....Thanks!

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by douglas » Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:09 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
douglas wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote: And there are hundreds of videos and thousands of images out there serving that purpose. But that wasn't the intent of this video. It wasn't supposed to teach us anything about Saturn, but rather, to offer a kind of gestalt view of the Cassini mission, to saturate our senses with the huge range of data that was collected.
I've viewed some number of Vimeos and I've never seen one that played at that speed. Many of the images require a moment to orient the spatial setup so stacking them rapid-fire is really not a good idea.

I think what is obvious is Mr. Abbas has certainly expressed he's capable of putting together a very good video, but what we're seeing there is a product of some production pressure. That's what was 'taught'. The gestalt of Cassini is not a hurried presentation, to be sure, nor is it something to the effect of 'they'll take what we give them', now, is it? Nor 'hold your tongue'? Heh.
Well, Mr Abbas can comment if he'd like, but my take is that it's playing exactly as intended (and personally, I think it works very well this way).

Here's his vimeo page,
https://vimeo.com/search?q=chris+abbas

He looks to have added to this, and sped it up.
https://vimeo.com/56694843
Check it out at 1:25 - 1:30, moon looking retrograde from Cassini's perspective? Impossibly cool.
Same moon clip in this one at :50 mark, https://vimeo.com/153636281
Same speed feature in that video, too, so that's artistic license.

A tip to Mr. Abbas: a god of that grandeur is so far beyond words, speaking, or names as to render them useless. In fact, words used to address such a god would be indicative of anxiety in one's relation to that god. Foregone.

Another tip to Mr. Abbas: when your source photographer is a robot, it deprives a viewer of a photo the effect of the human mind's presence in taking the picture. Stacking a robot's pictures makes it very, very hard to be 'telepresent' in the photo. A fast-presented robot stack is beyond a human's capability of appreciation. Perhaps the intent was to celebrate a robot's presence? (slow it down)

And this, https://vimeo.com/37761054
https://vimeo.com/35878660

He has certainly done justice to the exoticness of Saturn's system.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Gaplets » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:38 pm

@distefanom Dust it is. Called "doughnuts". More dust is collected the longer the mission goes on.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by distefanom » Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:13 pm

Intense...
Also evocative of the 2001 movie, which neufer correctly posted.

Btw, I wonder what are those grey concentric circles can be seen in most of the images, but most of them in the very same place in different images?
Maybe something on the lenses? do stardust can deposit on the lenses/mirrors???

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jun 18, 2017 6:06 pm

steve Wiggins wrote:Has anyone addressed the 72 pounds of plutonium that will soon be dispersed into Saturn's biosphere? Is it too late to re-route Cassini to some known dead moon?
That plutonium (and all the other materials that make up Cassini) are enough to actually contaminate a moon, to damage future science opportunities. It will have no significant impact on Saturn at all, which is so much bigger and already contains plutonium in much greater quantities.

Saturn was specifically chosen as the place to end the mission in order to avoid contaminating small bodies in the Saturnian system.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by steve Wiggins » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:54 pm

Has anyone addressed the 72 pounds of plutonium that will soon be dispersed into Saturn's biosphere? Is it too late to re-route Cassini to some known dead moon?

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:40 pm

douglas wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
douglas wrote:Some of those phenomena are deserving of serious "grokking in fullness". Some? Most.
And there are hundreds of videos and thousands of images out there serving that purpose. But that wasn't the intent of this video. It wasn't supposed to teach us anything about Saturn, but rather, to offer a kind of gestalt view of the Cassini mission, to saturate our senses with the huge range of data that was collected.
I've viewed some number of Vimeos and I've never seen one that played at that speed. Many of the images require a moment to orient the spatial setup so stacking them rapid-fire is really not a good idea.

I think what is obvious is Mr. Abbas has certainly expressed he's capable of putting together a very good video, but what we're seeing there is a product of some production pressure. That's what was 'taught'. The gestalt of Cassini is not a hurried presentation, to be sure, nor is it something to the effect of 'they'll take what we give them', now, is it? Nor 'hold your tongue'? Heh.
Well, Mr Abbas can comment if he'd like, but my take is that it's playing exactly as intended (and personally, I think it works very well this way).

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by douglas » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:31 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
douglas wrote:Some of those phenomena are deserving of serious "grokking in fullness". Some? Most.
And there are hundreds of videos and thousands of images out there serving that purpose. But that wasn't the intent of this video. It wasn't supposed to teach us anything about Saturn, but rather, to offer a kind of gestalt view of the Cassini mission, to saturate our senses with the huge range of data that was collected.
I've viewed some number of Vimeos and I've never seen one that played at that speed. Many of the images require a moment to orient the spatial setup so stacking them rapid-fire is really not a good idea.

I think what is obvious is Mr. Abbas has certainly expressed he's capable of putting together a very good video, but what we're seeing there is a product of some production pressure. That's what was 'taught'. The gestalt of Cassini is not a hurried presentation, to be sure, nor is it something to the effect of 'they'll take what we give them', now, is it? Nor 'hold your tongue'? Heh.

For what it's worth, it did play slightly slower in Firefox.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by majoraward » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:16 pm

Amazing. Great Fathers Day present (for me).

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by tekija » Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:13 pm

RedFishBlueFish wrote:This set of images almost makes one think there might be something to Copernicus's idea after all.

As the Flagship class robotic space-probe Cassini–Huygens reaches the end of its mission, one cannot help but think of the final words of the infinitely more advanced Nexus-6 robot Roy Batty: All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

Thank you for putting together Cassini's moments to share across time.

Evocative.
Possibly the most famous improvised line, and moreover ending a brilliant concatenation by the actor of an obviously boring scripted monologue, in movie history:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tears_in_rain_monologue

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Astronymus » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:59 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Astronymus wrote:Too bad you have to install Flash to see it...
No you don't. It's an HTML5 video. If your browser is requiring Flash, you're either running a very obsolete system or you have something misconfigured. (Note that it runs fine on mobile devices that don't even offer Flash as an option.)
Found the problem. NoScript didn't gave the rights. Not obsolete or misconfigured, just too safe. :lol2: Nice video.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by Chris Peterson » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:25 pm

douglas wrote:Some of those phenomena are deserving of serious "grokking in fullness". Some? Most.
And there are hundreds of videos and thousands of images out there serving that purpose. But that wasn't the intent of this video. It wasn't supposed to teach us anything about Saturn, but rather, to offer a kind of gestalt view of the Cassini mission, to saturate our senses with the huge range of data that was collected.

Re: APOD: Views from Cassini at Saturn (2017 Jun 18)

by douglas » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:20 pm

Lasse H wrote:It could have been an interesting film if it hadn't been for the exaggerated speed. This hysterical compilation doesn't tell me anything...
It says "Vimeo Staff Pick" -- don't tell me Vimeo forced Abbas to condense it, and only then was it worthy of a "Staff Pick"?? :?
That's a little unusual as Vimeo has some of the finest videos around.

Some of those phenomena are deserving of serious "grokking in fullness". Some? Most.

/laughter at your "hysterical", very good that was. :ssmile:

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