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Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by neufer » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:47 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:12 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:12 pm
Mountainjim62 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:59 pm
Ever notice the that people who go out of there way to prove their intelligence...
Hmmm.
Muphry’s law will not be mocked! —Skitt
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Names for variations on the principle have also been coined, usually in the context of online communication, including:
  • Skitt's law: "Any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself."

    Umhoefer's or Umhöfer's rule: "Articles on writing are themselves badly written."

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    The iron law of nitpicking: "You are never more likely to make a grammatical error than when correcting someone else's grammar."

    McKean's law: "Any correction of the speech or writing of others will contain at least one grammatical, spelling, or typographical error."

    Bell's first law of Usenet: "Flames of spelling and/or grammar will have spelling and/or grammatical errors.">>

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Cousin Ricky » Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:12 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:12 pm
Mountainjim62 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:59 pm Ever notice the that people who go out of there way to prove their intelligence...
Hmmm.
Muphry’s law will not be mocked! —Skitt

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:12 pm

Mountainjim62 wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:59 pm Ever notice the that people who go out of there way to prove their intelligence...
Hmmm.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Mountainjim62 » Mon Jan 18, 2021 7:59 pm

Ever notice the that people who go out of there way to prove their intelligence to others eventually slip up and make their utter lack of it quite obvious?
neufer wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:13 pm Paving over the entire Moon was scheduled to be part of Trump's 2021 Infrastructure Week

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:06 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:55 pm
bystander wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:48 pm
Cousin Ricky wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:45 pm I get this message for your image:


If Chris could see it, I suspect it’s because Chris and the website are both in Colorado.

I suspect the problem is on your end. I'm not in Colorado and I can see it.
I suspect the problem is in those damn geographic censorship algorithms. I get this a lot in the Virgin Islands.

And it’s not on the part of the Virgin Islands; we have no Chinese-style Great Firewall. It is the providers that are refusing to recognize us.
I'd suggest you subscribe to a VPN. It's only a few dollars a year, and it lets you connect to problematic sites from any of hundreds of different countries. I access restricted Canadian, UK, and other content all the time that way. Well worth the cost if you live in a place where foreign content is frequently blocked.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Cousin Ricky » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:55 pm

bystander wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:48 pm
Cousin Ricky wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:45 pm I get this message for your image:
Sorry, our service is currently not available in your region
If Chris could see it, I suspect it’s because Chris and the website are both in Colorado.

I suspect the problem is on your end. I'm not in Colorado and I can see it.
I suspect the problem is in those damn geographic censorship algorithms. I get this a lot in the Virgin Islands.

And it’s not on the part of the Virgin Islands; we have no Chinese-style Great Firewall. It is the providers that are refusing to recognize us.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by bystander » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:48 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:45 pm I get this message for your image:
Sorry, our service is currently not available in your region
If Chris could see it, I suspect it’s because Chris and the website are both in Colorado.

I suspect the problem is on your end. I'm not in Colorado and I can see it.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Cousin Ricky » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:45 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm Oh boy, I'm still finding this "the moon is a dark as asphalt" fact very hard to fathom, now even more so after you mentioning the moon in daytime. Here's a typical(?) picture of how I remember the moon appearing in daylight, in a blue sky:
I get this message for your image:
Sorry, our service is currently not available in your region
If Chris could see it, I suspect it’s because Chris and the website are both in Colorado.
johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm The light areas on the moon sure look lighter than what I would think asphalt would look like in the moon's place. The dark areas look about the same as the blue sky, but sill brighter than asphalt. I suppose it must be a type of optical illusion.
Nothing outside the atmosphere can appear darker than it. As Chris noted, you are not seeing the color of the lunar maria; you are seeing the color of the sky. It’s the same effect that causes faraway earthbound mountains to fade in the distance.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by johnnydeep » Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:24 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:02 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:56 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:16 pm
You need to be very cautious comparing a photograph to what your eye sees. Again, photos are normalized to span the range from black to white, i.e. from the minimum to the maximum value that a pixel can have. Your eyes/brain dynamically process a very wide dynamic range and build a perceptual image that is not accurately representative of actual intensities.
Ok, point taken, but wouldn't this photo, assuming no special processing, still be accurately representing the relative brightnesses of the objects in it?

I'd like to see the moon in daylight right behind an asphalt-black mountain. Though the mountain in the pic I posted has areas that look close, and, if anything, look lighter than asphalt, yet they still clearly appear to be darker than the moon.
Not necessarily. From the camera all the way to your display, imaging systems implement non-linearizing steps (like gamma). And our eyes are also non-linear. You can't even see the dark areas of the Moon in the image you posted. They aren't returning enough photons to rise above the level of the sky background. That is, what you're calling the dark areas of the Moon are just the sky. If the entire Moon were that color, we wouldn't see it at all in bright daylight.
Ok, thanks. Mind still blown. I need to learn more about imaging!

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:02 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:56 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:16 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm

Oh boy, I'm still finding this "the moon is a dark as asphalt" fact very hard to fathom, now even more so after you mentioning the moon in daytime. Here's a typical(?) picture of how I remember the moon appearing in daylight, in a blue sky:
The light areas on the moon sure look lighter than what I would think asphalt would look like in the moon's place. The dark areas look about the same as the blue sky, but sill brighter than asphalt. I suppose it must be a type of optical illusion.
You need to be very cautious comparing a photograph to what your eye sees. Again, photos are normalized to span the range from black to white, i.e. from the minimum to the maximum value that a pixel can have. Your eyes/brain dynamically process a very wide dynamic range and build a perceptual image that is not accurately representative of actual intensities.
Ok, point taken, but wouldn't this photo, assuming no special processing, still be accurately representing the relative brightnesses of the objects in it?

I'd like to see the moon in daylight right behind an asphalt-black mountain. Though the mountain in the pic I posted has areas that look close, and, if anything, look lighter than asphalt, yet they still clearly appear to be darker than the moon.
Not necessarily. From the camera all the way to your display, imaging systems implement non-linearizing steps (like gamma). And our eyes are also non-linear. You can't even see the dark areas of the Moon in the image you posted. They aren't returning enough photons to rise above the level of the sky background. That is, what you're calling the dark areas of the Moon are just the sky. If the entire Moon were that color, we wouldn't see it at all in bright daylight.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by johnnydeep » Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:56 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:16 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm
Cousin Ricky wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:57 am

Ever look at black asphalt in bright sunlight immediately after walking out of a dark building?

At nighttime, the Moon (and planets, if any) are the only objects in direct sunlight, while your eyes are adjusted to seeing things in the dark.

During the daytime, the Moon looks a little brighter than asphalt, because only the lighter lunar highlands are visible through the atmosphere.
Oh boy, I'm still finding this "the moon is a dark as asphalt" fact very hard to fathom, now even more so after you mentioning the moon in daytime. Here's a typical(?) picture of how I remember the moon appearing in daylight, in a blue sky:
The light areas on the moon sure look lighter than what I would think asphalt would look like in the moon's place. The dark areas look about the same as the blue sky, but sill brighter than asphalt. I suppose it must be a type of optical illusion.
You need to be very cautious comparing a photograph to what your eye sees. Again, photos are normalized to span the range from black to white, i.e. from the minimum to the maximum value that a pixel can have. Your eyes/brain dynamically process a very wide dynamic range and build a perceptual image that is not accurately representative of actual intensities.
Ok, point taken, but wouldn't this photo, assuming no special processing, still be accurately representing the relative brightnesses of the objects in it?

I'd like to see the moon in daylight right behind an asphalt-black mountain. Though the mountain in the pic I posted has areas that look close, and, if anything, look lighter than asphalt, yet they still clearly appear to be darker than the moon.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:16 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm
Cousin Ricky wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:57 am
johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?
Ever look at black asphalt in bright sunlight immediately after walking out of a dark building?

At nighttime, the Moon (and planets, if any) are the only objects in direct sunlight, while your eyes are adjusted to seeing things in the dark.

During the daytime, the Moon looks a little brighter than asphalt, because only the lighter lunar highlands are visible through the atmosphere.
Oh boy, I'm still finding this "the moon is a dark as asphalt" fact very hard to fathom, now even more so after you mentioning the moon in daytime. Here's a typical(?) picture of how I remember the moon appearing in daylight, in a blue sky:
The light areas on the moon sure look lighter than what I would think asphalt would look like in the moon's place. The dark areas look about the same as the blue sky, but sill brighter than asphalt. I suppose it must be a type of optical illusion.
You need to be very cautious comparing a photograph to what your eye sees. Again, photos are normalized to span the range from black to white, i.e. from the minimum to the maximum value that a pixel can have. Your eyes/brain dynamically process a very wide dynamic range and build a perceptual image that is not accurately representative of actual intensities.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by johnnydeep » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:10 pm

Cousin Ricky wrote: Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:57 am
johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?
Ever look at black asphalt in bright sunlight immediately after walking out of a dark building?

At nighttime, the Moon (and planets, if any) are the only objects in direct sunlight, while your eyes are adjusted to seeing things in the dark.

During the daytime, the Moon looks a little brighter than asphalt, because only the lighter lunar highlands are visible through the atmosphere.
Oh boy, I'm still finding this "the moon is a dark as asphalt" fact very hard to fathom, now even more so after you mentioning the moon in daytime. Here's a typical(?) picture of how I remember the moon appearing in daylight, in a blue sky:
The light areas on the moon sure look lighter than what I would think asphalt would look like in the moon's place. The dark areas look about the same as the blue sky, but sill brighter than asphalt. I suppose it must be a type of optical illusion.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by XgeoX » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:12 pm

orin stepanek wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:40 pm
XgeoX wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:10 pm
Adrian2021 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:22 am It is amazing that we can get such a picture of Pluto! Astonishing feat!
Question though: was the light in the picture enhanced or is that the natural amount of light on Pluto?
If by “enhanced” you mean was it processed to give a rough (emphasis on “rough”) idea on what it would like to a human eye? Yes, the images in this mosaic which is the APOD were taken with exposures of 1/100 of a second. If you look at the unprocessed images they are quite dark but with skilled processing the image comes out beautifully. Regardless though with such a short exposure the area was pretty bright to begin with.

Just how bright? NASA has said...
The sun would be approximately 1,000 times dimmer than it is here on Earth.
Sounds pretty dark eh? Well have no fear as the full moon is 400,000 times dimmer!
So there is actually quite a bit of light to work with, at noon, the sunlight would be strong enough for you to read a book.
The Sun’s magnitude would be -18.7 even though when this photo was taken the Sun could still, barely, be able to be discerned as a disc by the naked eye. A diameter of 58.3 arc seconds to be precise, so you would need sharp eyesight to do it. As small as it is it would still be painful to look at.
At a magnitude of -18.7 you would get about 85 lux at noon, much more than enough to have full color vision as well!
A poster at StackExchange put that in perspective...
“ Might be worth pointing out how wide-ranging is the human perception of brightness: From 100 Klux in bright sunlight to ~1 lux for full Moon. That's five orders of magnitude. 85 Lux is plenty of light.”
So yeah the photo was enhanced but nothing drastic as NH had plenty of light to work with!

Eric

https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/que ... of-the-day

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sc ... from-pluto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterr ... and_Charon

http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encou ... n&page=125

Thanks Eric ! I liked your post! 8-)
You’re very welcome!

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Cousin Ricky » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:57 am

johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?
Ever look at black asphalt in bright sunlight immediately after walking out of a dark building?

At nighttime, the Moon (and planets, if any) are the only objects in direct sunlight, while your eyes are adjusted to seeing things in the dark.

During the daytime, the Moon looks a little brighter than asphalt, because only the lighter lunar highlands are visible through the atmosphere.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by heehaw » Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:09 pm

neufer wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm
heehaw wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:35 pm
In the far ultraviolet (~1500 Å) the seas are brighter than the mountains, the opposite to what we see in the visible: it's like looking at a negative. (My colleagues and I discovered this with our UV spectrometer on the Apollo 17 orbiter).
  • Do you have a reference :?:
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Telescope

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Ann » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:33 pm

The APOD is a great picture. The mighty ice structure at right looks like the remnant of a semi-liquid, molten lava stream that inexorably flowed across the Plutopian(?) landscape until it froze "in its tracks" and came to a sudden stop.

Magnificent.

Ann

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by neufer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:32 pm

heehaw wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:35 pm
In the far ultraviolet (~1500 Å) the seas are brighter than the mountains, the opposite to what we see in the visible: it's like looking at a negative. (My colleagues and I discovered this with our UV spectrometer on the Apollo 17 orbiter).
  • Do you have a reference :?:
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1086/309771/fulltext/ wrote:
THE ASTROPHYSICAL JOURNAL, 454:L69–L72, 1995 November 20
© 1995. The American Astronomical Society. All rights reserved. Printed in U.S.A.
Ultraviolet Albedo of the Moon with the Hopkins Ultraviolet Telescope
Richard C. Henry, 1 Paul D. Feldman, Jeffrey W. Kruk, Arthur F. Davidsen, and Samuel T. Durrance 2

Center for Astrophysical Sciences, Department of Physics and Astronomy, Johns Hopkins University, Charles and 34th Streets, Baltimore, MD 21218-2695
Received 1995 July 24; accepted 1995 September 7

ABSTRACT: During the 1995 March flight of the Hopkins Ultraviolet Telescope, as part of the Astro-2 Space Shuttle mission, we observed the Moon over the wavelength range 820–1840 Å, with a resolution of 3–4 Å. The FUV albedo of the Moon has been measured over the spectral range 1250–1800 Å, and an albedo of 0.038 ± 0.0038 at 1700 Å obtained, with the albedo showing a gentle increase to shorter wavelengths that is in qualitative accord with previous measurements of both lunar fines and the Moon itself. The FUV albedo shows no evidence of an opposition effect. The present measurement is probably the most accurate yet made and is at a level of accuracy such that our result is dominated by place-to-place variations in lunar albedo rather than by measurement errors.
https://www.universetoday.com/117625/moonlight-is-a-many-splendored-thing/ wrote:
Moonlight Is a Many-Splendored Thing
Posted on December 31, 2014 by Bob King

(Near?) Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope on the Space Shuttle Endeavour in March 1995.: Similar to the view in visible light but with a lower resolution. The brightest areas probably correspond to regions where the most recent resurfacing due to impacts has occurred. Once again, the bright rayed crater Tycho stands out in this regard. The photo was made with the Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope flown aboard the Space Shuttle Endeavour in March 1995.

..........................................................

Visible light: The iron-rich composition of the lavas that formed the lunar “seas” give them a darker color compared to the ancient lunar highlands, which are composed mostly of a lighter volcanic rock called anorthosite.
https://archive.stsci.edu/uit/project/Astro2/Astro2_pictures.html wrote: :arrow: <<A Photo of the full Moon at ultraviolet (UV) wavelengths (only observable from space) on the left is compared with a visible photograph (from a ground-based observatory) on the right. The brightest UV areas probably correspond with regions where the most recent resurfacing has occurred---such as in the vicinity of the bright-rayed impact crater Tycho near the lunar south pole. This UV photograph was made with the Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (built by Ted Stecher and colleagues at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland), part of the Astro-2 payload flown aboard the Space Shuttle Endeavour in March, 1995. This material was presented to the American Astronomical Society meeting in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on June 12, 1995.>>

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by neufer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 7:13 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:00 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm
Virtually every photograph, even of ordinary terrestrial things like flowers, is adjusted so that the brightest areas map to white and the darkest to black. Because that's what our eyes do naturally. We observe landscapes over several orders of magnitude different lighting conditions, and our brain normalizes the scene to that standard range. (The Moon, for instance, is the color of freshly laid black asphalt... but we certainly don't see it that way.)
Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?
Yup. The average albedo of the Moon is 15%, the same as fresh asphalt. (Of course, that's just the average; there is some variation, which is why we see features.) If we actually paved over the entire Moon, it would appear to us in the sky at night as a featureless white circle.
  • Paving over the entire Moon was scheduled to be part of Trump's 2021 Infrastructure Week :!:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_drop_experiment wrote:
<<Asphalt, also known as bitumen, is a sticky, black, highly viscous liquid or semi-solid form of petroleum. It may be found in natural deposits or may be a refined product, and is classed as a pitch. Before the 20th century, the term asphaltum was also used. The word is derived from the Ancient Greek ἄσφαλτος ásphaltos. The largest natural deposit of asphalt in the world, estimated to contain 10 million tons, is the Pitch Lake located in La Brea in southwest Trinidad, within the Siparia Regional Corporation.

A pitch drop experiment is a long-term experiment which measures the flow of a piece of pitch over many years. 'Pitch' is the name for any of a number of highly viscous liquids which appear solid, most commonly bitumen. At room temperature, tar pitch flows at a very low rate, taking several years to form a single drop.

The best known version of the experiment was started in 1927 by Professor Thomas Parnell of the University of Queensland in Brisbane, Australia, to demonstrate to students that some substances which appear solid are actually highly viscous fluids. Parnell poured a heated sample of pitch into a sealed funnel and allowed it to settle for three years. In 1930, the seal at the neck of the funnel was cut, allowing the pitch to start flowing. A glass dome covers the funnel and it is placed on display outside a lecture theatre. Large droplets form and fall over a period of about a decade. The eighth drop fell on 28 November 2000, allowing experimenters to calculate the pitch as having a viscosity of approximately 2.3×1011 times that of water.

Code: Select all

Substance 	Viscosity (mPa·s)
..........................................
Benzene 	0.604
Water	 	1.000
Mercury 	1.526
Whole milk 	2.12
Dark beer 	2.53
Olive oil 	56.2
Honey	 	2,000–10,000
Ketchup 	5,000–20,000
Peanut butter	10,000–1,000,000
This experiment is recorded in Guinness World Records as the 'world's longest continuously running laboratory experiment', and it is expected there is enough pitch in the funnel to allow it to continue for at least another hundred years. This experiment is predated by two other (still-active) scientific devices; the Oxford Electric Bell (1840) and the Beverly Clock (1864), but each of these has experienced brief interruptions since 1937.

The experiment was not originally carried out under any special controlled atmospheric conditions, meaning the viscosity could vary throughout the year with fluctuations in temperature. Some time after the seventh drop fell (1988), air conditioning was added to the location where the experiment takes place. The lower average temperature has lengthened each drop's stretch before it separates from the rest of the pitch in the funnel.

In October 2005, John Mainstone and the late Thomas Parnell were awarded the Ig Nobel Prize in physics for the pitch drop experiment. Professor Mainstone subsequently commented: I am sure that Thomas Parnell would have been flattered to know that Mark Henderson considers him worthy to become a recipient of an Ig Nobel prize. Professor Parnell's award citation would of course have to applaud the new record he had thereby established for the longest lead-time between performance of a seminal scientific experiment and the conferral of such an award, be it a Nobel or an Ig Nobel prize.

The experiment is monitored by a webcam but technical problems prevented the November 2000 drop from being recorded. The pitch drop experiment is on public display on Level 2 of Parnell building in the School of mathematics and physics at the St Lucia campus of the University of Queensland. Hundreds of thousands of Internet users check the live stream each year.

The ninth drop touched the eighth drop on 17 April 2014. However, it was still attached to the funnel. On 24 April 2014, Professor White decided to replace the beaker holding the previous eight drops before the ninth drop fused to them. While the bell jar was being lifted, the wooden base wobbled and the ninth drop snapped away from the funnel.>>

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by heehaw » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:35 pm

In the far ultraviolet (~1500 Å) the seas are brighter than the mountains, the opposite to what we see in the visible: it's like looking at a negative. (My colleagues and I discovered this with our UV spectrometer on the Apollo 17 orbiter).

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:00 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm
Adrian2021 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:22 am It is amazing that we can get such a picture of Pluto! Astonishing feat!
Question though: was the light in the picture enhanced or is that the natural amount of light on Pluto?
Virtually every photograph, even of ordinary terrestrial things like flowers, is adjusted so that the brightest areas map to white and the darkest to black. Because that's what our eyes do naturally. We observe landscapes over several orders of magnitude different lighting conditions, and our brain normalizes the scene to that standard range. (The Moon, for instance, is the color of freshly laid black asphalt... but we certainly don't see it that way.)

The light at Pluto is much dimmer than at Earth, of course. But if you were there, your eyes would adjust to that low light, and you'd see the scene in a similar way to what this image shows, despite the fact that the actual light level is similar to early twilight or to a very deeply overcast day on Earth.
Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?
Yup. The average albedo of the Moon is 15%, the same as fresh asphalt. (Of course, that's just the average; there is some variation, which is why we see features.) If we actually paved over the entire Moon, it would appear to us in the sky at night as a featureless white circle.

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by johnnydeep » Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:38 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm
Adrian2021 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:22 am It is amazing that we can get such a picture of Pluto! Astonishing feat!
Question though: was the light in the picture enhanced or is that the natural amount of light on Pluto?
Virtually every photograph, even of ordinary terrestrial things like flowers, is adjusted so that the brightest areas map to white and the darkest to black. Because that's what our eyes do naturally. We observe landscapes over several orders of magnitude different lighting conditions, and our brain normalizes the scene to that standard range. (The Moon, for instance, is the color of freshly laid black asphalt... but we certainly don't see it that way.)

The light at Pluto is much dimmer than at Earth, of course. But if you were there, your eyes would adjust to that low light, and you'd see the scene in a similar way to what this image shows, despite the fact that the actual light level is similar to early twilight or to a very deeply overcast day on Earth.
Whoa there! So, are you saying that if the moon were entirely paved over with a layer of freshly laid black asphalt, a full moon would look as bright to us as it currently does? If so, that might be the most surprising thing I've heard about space in a long long time! But, since the maria and non-maria areas appear to have different brightnesses, which is it that would have the same brightness as black ashpalt?

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by neufer » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skzxLaYkiGQ
Alex515 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:30 am
A world shaped by sublimation and deposition. Incredible.
  • Just sublimation and deposition :?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto#Surface wrote: <<The plains on Pluto's surface are composed of more than 98 percent nitrogen ice, with traces of methane and carbon monoxide. Nitrogen and carbon monoxide are most abundant on the anti-Charon face of Pluto (around 180° longitude, where Tombaugh Regio's western lobe, Sputnik Planitia, is located), whereas methane is most abundant near 300° east. The mountains are made of water ice. Pluto's surface is quite varied, with large differences in both brightness and color. Pluto is one of the most contrastive bodies in the Solar System, with as much contrast as Saturn's moon Iapetus. The color varies from charcoal black, to dark orange and white. Pluto's color is more similar to that of Io with slightly more orange and significantly less red than Mars. Notable geographical features include Tombaugh Regio, or the "Heart" (a large bright area on the side opposite Charon), Cthulhu Macula, or the "Whale" (a large dark area on the trailing hemisphere), and the "Brass Knuckles" (a series of equatorial dark areas on the leading hemisphere).

Sputnik Planitia, the western lobe of the "Heart", is a 1,000 km-wide basin of frozen nitrogen and carbon monoxide ices, divided into polygonal cells, which are interpreted as convection cells that carry floating blocks of water ice crust and sublimation pits towards their margins; there are obvious signs of glacial flows both into and out of the basin. It has no craters that were visible to New Horizons, indicating that its surface is less than 10 million years old. Latest studies have shown that the surface has an age of 180000 years. The New Horizons science team summarized initial findings as "Pluto displays a surprisingly wide variety of geological landforms, including those resulting from glaciological and surface–atmosphere interactions as well as impact, tectonic, possible cryovolcanic, and mass-wasting processes."

In Western parts of Sputnik Planitia there are fields of transverse dunes formed by the winds blowing from the center of Sputnik Planitia in the direction of surrounding mountains. The dune wavelengths are in the range of 0.4–1 km and they are likely consists of methane particles 200–300 μm in size.>>

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by orin stepanek » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:40 pm

XgeoX wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:10 pm
Adrian2021 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:22 am It is amazing that we can get such a picture of Pluto! Astonishing feat!
Question though: was the light in the picture enhanced or is that the natural amount of light on Pluto?
If by “enhanced” you mean was it processed to give a rough (emphasis on “rough”) idea on what it would like to a human eye? Yes, the images in this mosaic which is the APOD were taken with exposures of 1/100 of a second. If you look at the unprocessed images they are quite dark but with skilled processing the image comes out beautifully. Regardless though with such a short exposure the area was pretty bright to begin with.

Just how bright? NASA has said...
The sun would be approximately 1,000 times dimmer than it is here on Earth.
Sounds pretty dark eh? Well have no fear as the full moon is 400,000 times dimmer!
So there is actually quite a bit of light to work with, at noon, the sunlight would be strong enough for you to read a book.
The Sun’s magnitude would be -18.7 even though when this photo was taken the Sun could still, barely, be able to be discerned as a disc by the naked eye. A diameter of 58.3 arc seconds to be precise, so you would need sharp eyesight to do it. As small as it is it would still be painful to look at.
At a magnitude of -18.7 you would get about 85 lux at noon, much more than enough to have full color vision as well!
A poster at StackExchange put that in perspective...
“ Might be worth pointing out how wide-ranging is the human perception of brightness: From 100 Klux in bright sunlight to ~1 lux for full Moon. That's five orders of magnitude. 85 Lux is plenty of light.”
So yeah the photo was enhanced but nothing drastic as NH had plenty of light to work with!

Eric

https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/que ... of-the-day

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sc ... from-pluto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterr ... and_Charon

http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/soc/Pluto-Encou ... n&page=125

Thanks Eric ! I liked your post! 8-)

Re: APOD: A Plutonian Landscape (2021 Jan 15)

by Chris Peterson » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:29 pm

Adrian2021 wrote: Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:22 am It is amazing that we can get such a picture of Pluto! Astonishing feat!
Question though: was the light in the picture enhanced or is that the natural amount of light on Pluto?
Virtually every photograph, even of ordinary terrestrial things like flowers, is adjusted so that the brightest areas map to white and the darkest to black. Because that's what our eyes do naturally. We observe landscapes over several orders of magnitude different lighting conditions, and our brain normalizes the scene to that standard range. (The Moon, for instance, is the color of freshly laid black asphalt... but we certainly don't see it that way.)

The light at Pluto is much dimmer than at Earth, of course. But if you were there, your eyes would adjust to that low light, and you'd see the scene in a similar way to what this image shows, despite the fact that the actual light level is similar to early twilight or to a very deeply overcast day on Earth.

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