APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

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Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by MarkBour » Sat Oct 01, 2022 9:59 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:16 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:14 am An example of why we often use pseudocolor palettes when trying to get more out of an image. I've converted the original to grayscale and then applied a common pseudocolor mapping used for astronomical images. It results in an image that lets our eyes see more detail than would otherwise be apparent.
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A pair of stars emerge, too, to Sun's side of Moon
I wonder if they are planets
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johnnydeep wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:05 pm
Ann wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 pm
smitty wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm

Yes, it is, and thank you for your help; I'd not have found it without your directions. That said, there are two small dark "spots" on the image that may puzzle folks (they puzzled me). They are located about a third of the way up the sky and to the left of the buoy. Any idea what they might be?
I think they are birds.

Ann
Yeah, me too. Zooming in close, the left most one has wings. Either that or it's really Saturn :-)
I believe that the spots Victor pointed out in Chris' pseudo-color version are the same dark spots in the original that smitty, johnnydeep, and Ann are talking about. Victor, as to your question, though, I went to Stellarium online. Lord, we live in an age of informational convenience!

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Stellarium and Google maps helped me understand a few things quickly:
Because Sant Marti D'Empuries is on the east coast of Spain, the view of
the Sun just below the water horizon must be looking east, so this must
be just before sunrise, not just after sunset.

From the APOD info and what others noted, I set the date+time so that
locally to the observation it was 5am May 28. This is what it showed.
(I had "landscape" turned off, so you can see the Sun, you have to use
the 0 azimuth line as the horizon.)


There's not much it had between the Sun and the Moon. Just the Pleaides, Mercury, and Uranus. But both Mercury and the Pleaides seem to be too close to the Sun to be candidates for these spots.

I have to agree with the conclusion that they were just birds, or at least something in our own atmosphere.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:57 pm

BobStein-VisiBone wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:48 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:30 pm
fred888 wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:25 pm "Even though the Moon is above your horizon half of the time"

is incorrect. depends on the phase, time of year and location
How so?
In December in the Northern Hemisphere, the full moon is above the horizon more than half of each day. Similar to the sun in summer. Though the moon can be a little more extreme because it can wander further from the equator than the sun.

I think autumn last quarter moon is above the horizon more than half each day, and spring first quarter, but I may have those reversed.
Yeah, but the claim wasn't that the Moon is in the sky half of the day. The statement wasn't incorrect.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by BobStein-VisiBone » Wed Jul 27, 2022 8:48 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:30 pm
fred888 wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:25 pm "Even though the Moon is above your horizon half of the time"

is incorrect. depends on the phase, time of year and location
How so?
In December in the Northern Hemisphere, the full moon is above the horizon more than half of each day. Similar to the sun in summer. Though the moon can be a little more extreme because it can wander further from the equator than the sun.

I think autumn last quarter moon is above the horizon more than half each day, and spring first quarter, but I may have those reversed.

Anything on the ecliptic (sun, moon, planet) spends extra time above our horizon when it's on the high point of the ecliptic. For the Northern Hemisphere the high point is near Taurus/Gemini/Orion. For the Southern Hemisphere the high point is in Sagittarius.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by johnnydeep » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:05 pm

Ann wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 pm
smitty wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm
Ann wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 am Start from the black buoy in the water, go straight up halfway to the height of the sky that you can see in this image. And go a little to the right. There is is, the new Moon.

Beautiful image!

Ann
Yes, it is, and thank you for your help; I'd not have found it without your directions. That said, there are two small dark "spots" on the image that may puzzle folks (they puzzled me). They are located about a third of the way up the sky and to the left of the buoy. Any idea what they might be?
I think they are birds.

Ann
Yeah, me too. Zooming in close, the left most one has wings. Either that or it's really Saturn :-)

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Astronymus » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:22 pm

Easy to find on an Eizo screen. :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by heehaw » Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:12 pm

It amazes me how it seems to come and go in my perception.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by smitty » Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:00 pm

Probably. Thanks again!

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Ann » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 pm

smitty wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm
Ann wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 am Start from the black buoy in the water, go straight up halfway to the height of the sky that you can see in this image. And go a little to the right. There is is, the new Moon.

Beautiful image!

Ann
Yes, it is, and thank you for your help; I'd not have found it without your directions. That said, there are two small dark "spots" on the image that may puzzle folks (they puzzled me). They are located about a third of the way up the sky and to the left of the buoy. Any idea what they might be?
I think they are birds.

Ann

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Fred the Cat » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:46 pm

Of all the ways to enjoy our closest nieghbor, I might pick augmented virtual reality.

All the fun without the muss. :p: A highway without the danger zone. :ssmile:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by VictorBorun » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:16 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:14 am An example of why we often use pseudocolor palettes when trying to get more out of an image. I've converted the original to grayscale and then applied a common pseudocolor mapping used for astronomical images. It results in an image that lets our eyes see more detail than would otherwise be apparent.
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ds9.jpeg
A pair of stars emerge, too, to Sun's side of Moon
I wonder if they are planets
new moon and stars.jpg

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by smitty » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:43 pm

Ann wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:50 am Start from the black buoy in the water, go straight up halfway to the height of the sky that you can see in this image. And go a little to the right. There is is, the new Moon.

Beautiful image!

Ann
Yes, it is, and thank you for your help; I'd not have found it without your directions. That said, there are two small dark "spots" on the image that may puzzle folks (they puzzled me). They are located about a third of the way up the sky and to the left of the buoy. Any idea what they might be?

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:04 pm

lefthip wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:02 pm Did someone see the Loch Ness monster? I see a Florida golf course at high tide in the year 2050.
Let's hope it's just a Florida golf course and not the Cape Hatteras lighthouse!

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by lefthip » Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:02 pm

Did someone see the Loch Ness monster? I see a Florida golf course at high tide in the year 2050.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Chris Peterson » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:30 pm

fred888 wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:25 pm "Even though the Moon is above your horizon half of the time"

is incorrect. depends on the phase, time of year and location
How so?

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by fred888 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:25 pm

"Even though the Moon is above your horizon half of the time"

is incorrect. depends on the phase, time of year and location

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by MalcolmP2 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:14 pm

The pic. of rhe new moon got flipped horizontally ! And it was not taken in Spain, cos I can see the Loch Ness Monster below it ! :-)

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by deadlanguage » Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:09 pm

Hi APOD,

I've been a daily viewer since Astro in college in the early 2000s. I just wanted to point out a quick typo though. The text should read "sunrise or sunset" not "sunrise of sunset."

Keep up the incredible work!

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by javachip3 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 12:14 pm

gorade wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:16 am Aha! You are right. No one can find the new moon. Not yet
The new moon is easy to find during a solar eclipse.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by De58te » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:57 am

gmPhil wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:10 am
gorade wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:18 am To my eyes it looks waning. Or didn't I find the right moon after all?
It is - who said otherwise? Text says "a new moon will occur in three days" - i.e. it's waning.
It looks like a waning crescent to be precise on its way to becoming a new moon. The text says the photo was taken in late May so it makes no bearing when the new moon in July is. The data says that the New Moon in May occurred on 30th May, so I would guess this photo was taken no less or later than 29 May.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by Yhaal House » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:42 am

One can't find a new moon at all. The slither of moon visible is OLD MOON!

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by orin stepanek » Mon Jul 25, 2022 11:23 am

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I don't see it! Must be a Houdini Moon! :lol2:
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Even doggy's befuddled! :shock:

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by RealIronwood » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:58 am

Even though the Moon is above your horizon half of the time...

Unless you live in a valley.

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by XgeoX » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:28 am

Chris Peterson wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 5:14 am An example of why we often use pseudocolor palettes when trying to get more out of an image. I've converted the original to grayscale and then applied a common pseudocolor mapping used for astronomical images. It results in an image that lets our eyes see more detail than would otherwise be apparent.
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ds9.jpeg
I liked the “I just dropped acid” effect! :shock: Reminds me very much of the end of 2001.

This was a very good one of these “find the moon” shot but it would be tougher if they would quit putting the moon near the center every time.

Eric

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by gorade » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:16 am

Aha! You are right. No one can find the new moon. Not yet

Re: APOD: Find the New Moon (2022 Jul 25)

by gmPhil » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:10 am

gorade wrote: Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:18 am To my eyes it looks waning. Or didn't I find the right moon after all?
It is - who said otherwise? Text says "a new moon will occur in three days" - i.e. it's waning.

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