APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

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Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by johnnydeep » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:30 pm

Ann wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Lagoon Nebula HOO Clark Bacaltos.png
The Lagoon Nebula in Hα and OIII. Photo: Clark Batalcos.

I found the picture at right at Astronomy.com and thought it was interesting as a comparison with the APOD. Note that we see more of the Lagoon Nebula in Clark Batalcos' image than we do in the APOD.

Ann
And in that one, you have to rotate the Clark Batalcos photo 90 degrees counter clockwise to match the APOD orientation. <sigh>

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Ann » Wed Aug 10, 2022 7:17 pm

Lagoon Nebula HOO Clark Bacaltos.png
The Lagoon Nebula in Hα and OIII. Photo: Clark Batalcos.

I found the picture at right at Astronomy.com and thought it was interesting as a comparison with the APOD. Note that we see more of the Lagoon Nebula in Clark Batalcos' image than we do in the APOD.

Ann

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by johnnydeep » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:42 pm

Ann wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:13 am
johnnydeep wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:02 pm As usual, I'm having trouble orienting this APOD pic to match the one from the M8 link in the description. Is that band of dark dust bisecting the bright area common to both images? Am I close?
You are way off, I'm afraid.


Ann
Ah, thanks - "missed it by that much." And it was "just a simple matter of scale." So, today's APOD shows a much zoomed out view and that centrally located "hourglass" is tiny and really not visible at all, unlike in your much more detailed pic, whose scale better matches the APOD, but in which that tiny hourglass IS visible if you zoom in.

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Ann » Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:13 am

johnnydeep wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:02 pm As usual, I'm having trouble orienting this APOD pic to match the one from the M8 link in the description. Is that band of dark dust bisecting the bright area common to both images? Am I close?
You are way off, I'm afraid.


Ann

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by johnnydeep » Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:02 pm

As usual, I'm having trouble orienting this APOD pic to match the one from the M8 link in the description. Is that band of dark dust bisecting the bright area common to both images? Am I close?

lagoon nebula with and without stars.JPG

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Astronymus » Mon Aug 08, 2022 6:02 pm

Locutus76 wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:43 pm
MadCat-75 wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:06 am Looks like the Mutara Nebula from Star Trek II xD
I sure hope the Reliant isn’t lurking inside!
Image

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Locutus76 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 2:43 pm

MadCat-75 wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:06 am Looks like the Mutara Nebula from Star Trek II xD
I sure hope the Reliant isn’t lurking inside!

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by orin stepanek » Mon Aug 08, 2022 12:45 pm

LagoonStarFree_Dhar_1251.jpg
With or without stars; Lagoon is just beautiful!
Any Idea of What I circled? Planets or stars?
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don't ask me; I have no Idea! :mrgreen: I

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by rstevenson » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:18 am

De58te wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:45 am Puzzling. If this 100 light year wide nebula is a bright star forming region but as yet no stars have formed, wouldn't that really be astronomically rare in the universe? And if there are no bright stars within 100 light years, what is causing the central region to glow blue?
As the description says, the stars were digitally removed. It certainly makes for an odd image, but it visually clarifies the gas and dust flows. I’m about to search here for an M8 nebula that shows the stars so I can view them side by side.

[a few minutes later] Have a look at this one… https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap161214.html

Rob

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Tszabeau » Mon Aug 08, 2022 10:16 am

Like going to Grauman’s Chinese Theater at 3:00am.

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by De58te » Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:45 am

Puzzling. If this 100 light year wide nebula is a bright star forming region but as yet no stars have formed, wouldn't that really be astronomically rare in the universe? And if there are no bright stars within 100 light years, what is causing the central region to glow blue?

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by MadCat-75 » Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:06 am

Looks like the Mutara Nebula from Star Trek II xD

Re: APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by Ann » Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:01 am

APOD 8 August 2022 Lagoon detail annotated.png

What's that in the APOD? Those black and white scraggly things look like some kind of light-year-sized insects clinging to the curved "sandy reef" bordering the central lagoon itself!


Maybe those things are cosmic water striders swimming and mating in the Lagoon, even if we find them stranded on a reef?

Well, when creatures mate we expect babies, and there appear to be quite a lot of baby stars right where we find the "insects"! Look at all those pink "eggs"!
NASA wrote:

Known as NGC 6523 or the Lagoon Nebula, Messier 8 is a giant cloud of gas and dust where stars are born. At about 4,000 light years from Earth, Messier 8 provides astronomers an excellent opportunity to study the properties of very young stars. Many infant stars give off copious amounts of high-energy light including X-rays, which are seen in the Chandra data (pink). The X-ray data have been combined with an optical image of Messier 8 from the Mt. Lemmon Sky Center in Arizona (blue and white).
Ann

APOD: The Lagoon Nebula without Stars (2022 Aug 08)

by APOD Robot » Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:05 am

Image The Lagoon Nebula without Stars

Explanation: Ridges of glowing interstellar gas and dark dust clouds inhabit the turbulent, cosmic depths of the Lagoon Nebula. Also known as M8, the bright star forming region is about 5,000 light-years distant. But it still makes for a popular stop on telescopic tours of the constellation Sagittarius, toward the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. Dominated by the telltale red emission of ionized hydrogen atoms recombining with stripped electrons, this stunning, deep view of the Lagoon is nearly 100 light-years across. Right of center, the bright, compact, hourglass shape is gas ionized and sculpted by energetic radiation and extreme stellar winds from a massive young star. In fact, although digitally removed from the featured image, the many bright stars of open cluster NGC 6530 drift within the nebula, just formed in the Lagoon several million years ago.

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