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More tuneable than LARC to shepherd's ear

by neufer » Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:03 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
The far side of the Moon is attractive for locating radio telescopes, however, since Earth interference is extremely small.
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2008/moonscope-0215.html wrote: MIT to lead development of new telescopes on moon
David Chandler, MIT News Office, February 15, 2008

<<NASA has selected a proposal by an MIT-led team to develop plans for an array of radio telescopes on the far side of the moon that would probe the earliest formation of the basic structures of the universe. The new MIT telescopes would explore one of the greatest unknown realms of astronomy, the so-called "Dark Ages" near the beginning of the universe when stars, star clusters and galaxies first came into existence. This period of roughly a billion years, beginning shortly after the Big Bang, closely followed the time when cosmic background radiation, which has been mapped using satellites, filled all of space. Learning about this unobserved era is considered essential to filling in our understanding of how the earliest structures in the universe came into being.

The Lunar Array for Radio Cosmology (LARC) project is headed by Jacqueline Hewitt, a professor of physics and director of MIT's Kavli Institute for Astrophysics and Space Science. LARC includes nine other MIT scientists as well as several from other institutions. It is planned as a huge array of hundreds of telescope modules designed to pick up very-low-frequency radio emissions. The array will cover an area of up to two square kilometers; the modules would be moved into place on the lunar surface by automated vehicles.

Observations of the cosmic Dark Ages are impossible to make from Earth, Hewitt explains, because of two major sources of interference that obscure these faint low-frequency radio emissions. One is the Earth's ionosphere, a high-altitude layer of electrically charged gas. The other is all of Earth's radio and television transmissions, which produce background interference everywhere on the Earth's surface. The only place that is totally shielded from both kinds of interference is the far side of the moon, which always faces away from the Earth and therefore is never exposed to terrestrial radio transmissions.

Besides being the top priority scientifically for a telescope on the moon, this low-frequency radio telescope array will also be one of the easiest to build, Hewitt says. That's because the long wavelengths of the radio waves it will detect don't require particularly accurate placement and alignment of the individual components. In addition, it doesn't matter if a few of the hundreds of antennas fail, and their performance would not be affected by the ever-present lunar dust.

The new lunar telescopes would add greatly to the capabilities of a low-frequency radio telescope array now under construction in Western Australia, one of the most radio-quiet areas on Earth. This array, which also involves MIT researchers, will be limited to the upper reaches of the low-frequency radio spectrum (> 50 MHZ), and thus will only be able to penetrate into a portion of the cosmic Dark Ages.

According to prevailing theory, this unobserved span of time in the universe's infancy includes a period when dark matter--an unknown component of the universe that accounts for a majority of all matter--collapsed from a uniform soup of particles into clumps that formed the scaffolding for all the structures that emerged later, from stars and black holes to entire galaxies. All astronomical observations made so far only reveal the results of that whole formation process--except the cosmic background radiation, which only shows the raw material before the process began. The whole gestation and birth of all the kinds of objects seen in space today, which all took place in the Dark Ages, has so far been hidden from view.

The new observations could test current theories about how the universe formed and evolved into its present state, including the theory of cosmic inflation first proposed by MIT Professor Alan Guth. In addition to their primary mission, the new telescopes would also be useful for studying huge eruptions from the sun, called coronal mass ejections, which can sometimes disrupt communications and electrical grids on Earth. They could also study space weather, the radio emissions from other planets and emissions from collisions between galaxies.

The present plan is for a one-year study to develop a detailed plan for the telescope array, whose construction would probably not begin until sometime after the year 2025, and is expected to cost more than $1 billion. The project to develop the plan is led by MIT's Hewitt, with a team that includes MIT professors Jeffrey Hoffman of the Department of Aeronautics and Astronautics and Maria Zuber, chair of the Department of Earth, Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, as well as others from MIT and scientists from Harvard, the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, the University of California at Berkeley, University of Washington and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. To develop this detailed plan, NASA is awarding a grant of $500,000, to be divided between the MIT-led team and a second team that is independently developing a similar proposal, headed by scientists at the Naval Research Laboratory.>>

Re: Using the Moon as a Telescopic Platform

by Chris Peterson » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:26 pm

neufer wrote:
BDanielMayfield wrote:
And I’m very happy that human beings are beginning to put the Moon to use as a stable platform for the telescopic study of space. This use of the Moon is so logical, why hasn’t it been done before now?
Most space telescopes:
  • 1) don't require mounts
    2) use solar energy 24/7 and
    3) point away from both the Sun & Earth.
This is more easily accomplished from space than on the surface of the moon.
Even with the Moon's low gravity, maintaining the shape of large mirrors is a challenge. The microgravity of space is what you want. Plus, there's no reason for a telescope to be manned, but if you want to make it serviceable, a near-Earth orbit makes sense.

The far side of the Moon is attractive for locating radio telescopes, however, since Earth interference is extremely small.

Re: Using the Moon as a Telescopic Platform

by neufer » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:15 pm

BDanielMayfield wrote:
And I’m very happy that human beings are beginning to put the Moon to use as a stable platform for the telescopic study of space. This use of the Moon is so logical, why hasn’t it been done before now?
Most space telescopes:
  • 1) don't require mounts
    2) use solar energy 24/7 and
    3) point away from both the Sun & Earth.
This is more easily accomplished from space than on the surface of the moon.

Using the Moon as a Telescopic Platform

by BDanielMayfield » Sat Dec 21, 2013 7:13 pm

neufer wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27e_3 wrote: <<The Chang'e 3 lander is equipped with a 150 mm Ritchey–Chrétien telescope that will be used to observe galaxies, active galactic nuclei, variable stars, binaries, novae, quasars and blazars in the near-UV band (245-340 nm), and is capable of detecting objects at a brightness as low as magnitude 13. The thin atmosphere and slow rotation of the Moon allow extremely long, uninterrupted observations of a target. The LUT will be the first long term lunar-based astronomical observatory, making continuous observations of important celestial bodies to study their light variation and better improve our current models. The lander also carries an extreme ultraviolet camera, which will be used to observe the Earth's plasmasphere in order to examine its structure and dynamics and to investigate how it is affected by solar activity.>>
I just want to express happiness that this mission has been successful so far. Just because our Moon is relatively close doesn’t make this accomplishment cheep or easy. Otherwise, it wouldn’t have taken so long between successful landings. And I’m very happy that human beings are beginning to put the Moon to use as a stable platform for the telescopic study of space. This use of the Moon is so logical, why hasn’t it been done before now? I hope and believe that one day, a more united human family will be able to utilize our nearest neighbor in space to study the sky as never before. Imagine how the Moon might be used for telescopes of all types and sizes! With sufficiently advanced technology, even observatories larger than anything conceivable on earth might someday be constructed on the Moon.

Bruce

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by neufer » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:48 pm


Anthony Barreiro wrote:
If Neufer says it, it must be true. :-|

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Nitpicker » Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:36 am

Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Russ wrote:Will there be news about China's newly declared air identification defense zone over the Mare Imbrium
neufer wrote:
Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Do you know if NASA got permission to fly the LRO over the Chinese landing site? :-|
A spokesman for NASA stated that "The U.S. will continue conducting flight operations in the region, including with our allies and partners.... We will not register a flight plan, we will not identify our transponder, our radio frequency and logo."
If Neufer says it, it must be true. :-|
Russ was implying that the Chinese government might make similar declarations on the Mare Imbrium (or Sea of Rains) as it has done recently on the South China Sea. I have read nothing in any way credible, that would suggest such a declaration on the Mare Imbrium. The quote from neufer's "spokesman for NASA" is actually from Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren, after recent reports that:
Two U.S. Air Force B-52 long range bombers flew what U.S. officials are calling a “routine training mission” through airspace over the East China that China is claiming as a new air defense identification zone. Entering the zone without notifying Chinese authorities on Monday was the first U.S. challenge to China’s controversial move that has increased tensions in the region.
Full article here:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... ense-zone/

Neufer is just showing off his bad intelligence and Russ' implication is about 400,000km off target.

Peaceful Times to All,
Nitpicker.

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:34 am

Russ wrote:Will there be news about China's newly declared air identification defense zone over the Mare Imbrium
neufer wrote:
Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Do you know if NASA got permission to fly the LRO over the Chinese landing site? :-|
A spokesman for NASA stated that "The U.S. will continue conducting flight operations in the region, including with our allies and partners.... We will not register a flight plan, we will not identify our transponder, our radio frequency and logo."
If Neufer says it, it must be true. :-|

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Nitpicker » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:18 am

Russ wrote:Will there be news about China's newly declared air identification defense zone over the Mare Imbrium
Hard to imagine since China has declared no such thing.

Despite having little or no Latin, Marco Polo may have brought news to Europe, of the rains in South China.

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Russ » Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:04 pm

Will there be news about China's newly declared air identification defense zone over the Mare Imbrium

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Nitpicker » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:42 am

neufer wrote:
FTPete wrote:
Shouldn't the right solar panel have a shadow too ?
Look under the left wheel.
The lander and rover also appear to be on an uneven side slope, and the Sun is shining not quite from the side, which is affecting the appearance of the shadows.

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by neufer » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:20 am

FTPete wrote:
Shouldn't the right solar panel have a shadow too ?
Look under the left wheel.

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by neufer » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:13 am

Nitpicker wrote:
neufer wrote:
With no ozone Yutu must still avoid ultry-violet C(oward) rays.
Still, never a good idea to go to sleep in direct sunlight. I'm surprised Yutu doesn't have a retractable sunshield of some kind so that it can continue to do some work through noon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasol wrote: <<In written records, the old reference to a collapsible umbrella dates to the year 21 A.D., when Wang Mang had one designed for a ceremonial four-wheeled carriage. The 2nd century commentator Fu Qian added that this collapsible umbrella of Wang Mang's carriage had bendable joints which enabled them to be extended or retracted. However, the Chinese collapsible umbrella is perhaps a concept that is yet centuries older. Zhou Dynasty bronze castings of complex bronze socketed hinges with locking slides and bolts—which could have been used for parasols and umbrellas—were found in an archeological site of Luoyang, dated to the 6th century BC. The Chinese character for umbrella is (sǎn) and is a pictograph resembling the modern umbrella in design. On one occasion at least, twenty-four umbrellas were carried before the Emperor when he went out hunting. In this case the umbrella served as a defense against rain rather than sun. The Chinese design was later brought to Japan via Korea and also introduced to Persia and the Western world via the Silk Road. A late Song Dynasty Chinese divination book that was printed in about 1270 AD features a picture of a collapsible umbrella that is exactly like the modern umbrella of today's China.>>

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by FTPete » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:07 am

Shouldn't the right solar panel have a shadow too ?

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by Nitpicker » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:46 am

neufer wrote:With no ozone Yutu must still avoid ultry-violet C(oward) rays.
Still, never a good idea to go to sleep in direct sunlight. I'm surprised Yutu doesn't have a retractable sunshield of some kind so that it can continue to do some work through noon.

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by neufer » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:27 am

Image
Nitpicker wrote:
neufer wrote:
Nitpicker wrote:
I'm glad to hear it implied that the lander is still able to operate in the heat of lunar noon, even if the rover cannot.
Yutu wouldn't dare to :!:
Pish, they might be long days on the Moon, but Mr Coward was only singing about tropical climes. The Sun isn't so high on Yutu.
With no ozone Yutu must still avoid ultry-violet C(oward) rays.

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Nitpicker » Thu Dec 19, 2013 1:13 am

Chang'e 3 will be able to see some interesting sights in the next few months. Here are a couple (however geocentric) I've simulated using Stellarium:
Earth in Pisces, 26-Dec-2013, 01:00 UT
Earth in Pisces, 26-Dec-2013, 01:00 UT
Earth occults Sun in Pisces, 15-Apr-2014, 05:17 UT
Earth occults Sun in Pisces, 15-Apr-2014, 05:17 UT

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by Nitpicker » Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:25 am

neufer wrote:
Nitpicker wrote: Thanks neufer. I read that excellent summary from Emily Lakdawalla yesterday. She is doing great work. I'm glad to hear it implied that the lander is still able to operate in the heat of lunar noon, even if the rover cannot.
Yutu wouldn't dare to :!:
Pish, they might be long days on the Moon, but Mr Coward was only singing about tropical climes. The Sun isn't so high on Yutu.
The simulated view from Yutu right now
The simulated view from Yutu right now

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by neufer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:17 pm

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Nitpicker wrote:
neufer wrote:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/12172045-change-3-update.html wrote:
Chang'e 3 update: 6 instruments active
by Emily Lakdawalla, Planetary Society, 2013/12/17
Thanks neufer. I read that excellent summary from Emily Lakdawalla yesterday. She is doing great work. I'm glad to hear it implied that the lander is still able to operate in the heat of lunar noon, even if the rover cannot.
  • Yutu wouldn't dare to :!:

Re: Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by Nitpicker » Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:49 pm

neufer wrote:
http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/12172045-change-3-update.html wrote:
Chang'e 3 update: 6 instruments active
by Emily Lakdawalla, Planetary Society, 2013/12/17
Thanks neufer. I read that excellent summary from Emily Lakdawalla yesterday. She is doing great work. I'm glad to hear it implied that the lander is still able to operate in the heat of lunar noon, even if the rover cannot. The "new fan-produced animation of the landing" she links to is also well worth a look.

Chang'e 3's "7500 bovine variable thrust engine"

by neufer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:20 pm

http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2013/12172045-change-3-update.html wrote:
Chang'e 3 update: 6 instruments active
by Emily Lakdawalla, Planetary Society, 2013/12/17

<<Today there was a lengthy press briefing by several members of the Chang'e 3 science team. A complete transcript was posted in Chinese here. I have run it through two machine translators (Google and a Chinese one, fanyi.baidu.com) and found it to be quite informative, not just about the mission but also about attitudes about Chinese space exploration and foreign cooperation.

But before I get to that, I want to share this new fan-produced animation of the landing, putting the site into context, with music.

In this blog post I'm doing my best to translate the content of the press briefing. You can try to follow along yourself with this document, in which I compare the original Mandarin text with the two machine translations. Times in brackets correspond to times listed in that document.

Zhang Tengyue talked about the confusion felt by himself and Ouyang Ziyuan on the live broadcast, when they were expecting to see pictures of the lander from the rover, but they did not. I smiled when I read this because I had likewise been confused about there being no pictures of the lander on the CCTV live broadcast; I wound up locating a photo of the lander on a forum after it had been shared on the Chinese-language broadcast. It was funny to know that he and Ouyang had been as confused as I. Zhang talked about exchanging handwritten notes with Ouyang during the broadcast to decide whether they should ask about the photo of the lander? Ouyang advised him not to. Wu explained that the reason they showed photos of the rover but not the lander on the English-language broadcast was because they were considering the historical importance of the photos, and were particularly concerned about showing the images of the Chinese national flag on the Moon. Since the rover was to the north of the lander and both were in the northern hemisphere, the Sun was to the south, so the rover (and hence the flag) were well illuminated by the Sun as seen from the lander, but badly lit as seen from the rover. So they chose, during the live broadcast, to transmit photos of the rover with its flag, since they were better lit.

Zheng He reported on the current status of the lander. As best as I can do with the translation: "Change 3 is working very well on the Moon. All conditions very good, nominal. It has already begun to do extreme ultraviolet optical imaging work." Right now, it's a full Moon, which means that from the point of view of the surface of the Moon, Earth is dark; this is the best time for Chang'e 3 to conduct astronomical observations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang%27e_3 wrote:
<<The Chang'e 3 lander is equipped with a 150 mm Ritchey–Chrétien telescope that will be used to observe galaxies, active galactic nuclei, variable stars, binaries, novae, quasars and blazars in the near-UV band (245-340 nm), and is capable of detecting objects at a brightness as low as magnitude 13. The thin atmosphere and slow rotation of the Moon allow extremely long, uninterrupted observations of a target. The LUT will be the first long term lunar-based astronomical observatory, making continuous observations of important celestial bodies to study their light variation and better improve our current models. The lander also carries an extreme ultraviolet camera, which will be used to observe the Earth's plasmasphere in order to examine its structure and dynamics and to investigate how it is affected by solar activity.>>
The host asked about the surprising proximity of a crater to the lander. Zheng responds (again, my best translation): "After we landed and saw the camera image [of the crater], we felt very lucky, but also very successful....This picture shows us right in front of a pit, with stone blocks right in front of the lander. But underneath the lander's feet the ground is very flat. This shows that the autonomous navigation and obstacle avoidance that we designed has succeeded, and we landed on a safe area. The crater is ten meters away from the lander; we can navigate around it, our plans are not affected by it."

The second thing that made the Chang'e landing difficult, she said, was the fact that they could not be certain what they would find in the landing site. "The lunar surface is undulating, and this has a great impact on the control of our landing process. And the final landing site could be soft soil or it could be on hard rock; this has a great impact on our landing cushion. We also wonder what kind of dust the landing will produce." She talks about how they had to design the lander and its software to "overcome the uncontrollability of these uncertainties." She goes on to talk at length about the problem of lunar dust and the difficulties that Lunokhod 2 faced because of it.

Next Su Yan talked about the scientific work being undertaken by Chang'e 3. They mostly can't operate during lunar night because of the intensely cold temperatures, so they perform scientific observations during the lunar day. She talked about testing the Yutu ground-penetrating radar on glaciers in the Qilian mountains, and clearly seeing the glacier and rock layering there; she looks forward to lunar data. Su said that six of the eight instruments are now operating. This list I'll actually copy from an English-language article about the briefing: "Except for the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and the visible and near-infrared imaging spectrometer, the instruments have all been activated and are undergoing tests and adjustments."

There was some discussion of the value of the scientific experiments being conducted by Chang'e 3, and then the briefing was opened to questions from the media. The first question was of the inevitable "how will this benefit Earth" variety. I found it interesting that Wu Weiren's lengthy response talked about the return on investment achieved through the Apollo missions, stating that for each American dollar invested into the Apollo program, 7 to 15 dollars were returned, by different estimates. Wu also talked about how, as a fraction of its GDP, Chinese investment in space is very small; and also pointed out that, to date, China's planetary exploration efforts have seen 100% success. Then they discussed how technologies and materials developed for the Chang'e program will eventually find civilian applications.

Then, a very interesting statement from the moderator. He brought up the whitehouse.gov petition initiated by a 6-year-old boy to "Increase NASA funding. So we can discover new worlds, protect us from danger and to make dreams come true." The petition has been all over science and technology news this week, but I was still surprised to hear it brought up in this Chinese forum. He talked about China suddenly realizing this month that the South China Sea was important to China after 70 years of ignoring it, and remarked that it would be short-sighted of China not to go to the Moon, to let others go there instead.

Another reporter asked about Chang'e 5 and the plans to launch it from a new launch facility. Liu Jianzhong spoke about how Chang'e 5 will require the new Long March V rocket and will need to be launched from a new site in Wenchang, Hainan. The advantage of the new site is that it is at a lower latitude, 19 degrees as opposed to 28.5 for Xichang, which launches a spacecraft with more energy; also, Wenchang will be a coastal launch facility with launches over the ocean, avoiding the problem of rocket parts falling on populated areas. Finally, Long March V will be a five-meter-diameter rocket, and China's inland railways can only accommodate payloads 3.5 meters wide.

The same reporter inquired about foreign cooperation and data sharing. Su Yan said that there are cooperative agreements in place with ESA, and that the Chang'e 1 and 2 data have already been made available to them. "NASA cooperation with us is more difficult," NASA is not permitted to host information about Chinese missions on their websites, and it is not possible to cooperate officially. But, she said, she works for the National Astronomical Observatory, which has very large cooperation with foreign countries. Then Wu went on to talk about NASA's specific interests in Chang'e data sharing. It's clear that NASA expressed interest in information about the Chang'e 3 lander's fuel expenditure during landing, which has direct application to the LADEE mission, as I've discussed before. NASA also asked for Chang'e 3 tracking data, so that the LADEE mission would know where and when Chang'e 3 was disturbing the lunar atmosphere. "But we also asked [NASA] to provide data [in return], and [NASA] did not agree. The U.S. Congress passed a resolution that stated that NASA cannot cooperate with China for fear we will steal their technology." If I understand correctly, I think he went on to say that in a way the American refusal to share information with China has helped China's space program, forcing China to develop their own technology, their own strength.
I will note here that Representative Frank Wolf (R-Virginia), the author of the policy that prevents NASA from cooperating with the Chinese space agency, announced today that he will not be seeking reelection. Perhaps this policy will be reexamined soon, and the LADEE team will be able to exchange information with the Chang'e 3 team that will enable better scientific results from both missions.

Zhang He talked about preventing failure through the application of new technologies unavailable to Soviet or Apollo lunar landers, including the laser ranging to determine a flat place to land, and the highly accurate, variable-thrust landing engine. (Both translation services insist upon translating the Mandarin term for "newton," the unit of thrust, as "bovine" or "cattle," which makes discussion of the "7500 bovine variable thrust engine" amusing.)

Wu Weiren also talked about the rover having autonomous navigation capability. The Soviet Lunokhods required television monitors and continuous round-the-clock shifts of drivers to manually tele-operate them. Wu said that Yutu can be operated in this mode, but that there is also a "completely independent operation mode" in which it can be navigated to waypoints. It can avoid obstacles using both long- and near-distance stereo vision through navigational cameras on the mast and hazard avoidance cameras on the body, just like NASA's Mars rovers. "If a stone is too big, the rover will automatically turn, then go around it."

A reporter asked about the video of the landing, in which the lander pauses, slides to the side, then descends. Zhang He responded that the lander was able to perform up to three assessments of landing site suitability with laser ranging, but that the computer wound up needing only one assessment to locate a safe spot to land.

Yutu is sleeping right now, because it cannot operate during the heat of lunar noon; it's supposed to start working again on December 23. Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter will attempt an image on December 24.>>

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by neufer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:29 pm

Anthony Barreiro wrote:
Do you know if NASA got permission to fly the LRO over the Chinese landing site? :-|
A spokesman for NASA stated that "The U.S. will continue conducting flight operations in the region, including with our allies and partners.... We will not register a flight plan, we will not identify our transponder, our radio frequency and logo."

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Anthony Barreiro » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:21 pm

neufer wrote:
magenrod wrote:
What is all that on the ground which appears to be debris ,trash, or something else ??
  • "The boulders strewn about the crater rim at the Chang’e 3 landing site might be samples of lunar bedrock."
http://www.universetoday.com/107305/smack-a-new-crater-appears-on-the-moon-yutu-rover-update/#more-107305 wrote:
Yutu Rover Update
by Bob King on December 18, 2013

<<NASA will photograph the Chinese Yutu rover and lander when LRO orbits over western Mare Imbrium on Dec. 24 and 25. As it turns out, the lander didn’t land in Sinus Iridium as reported earlier but in nearby Mare Imbrium, a good distance east of the original site but still within the official “landing box”.

Fortuitously, this location turns out to be a great spot to examine young lavas not sampled during the Apollo missions. All the Apollo rocks ranged in age from 3.1 to 3.8 billion years old. Based on crater counts and the flow’s relatively fresh appearance, Yutu sits at the northern edge of a lava sheet dated at between 1 and 2.5 billion years. In lunar years, that’s fresh!

Younger flows experience less erosion, so the lunar bedrock isn’t buried beneath as much rock as at the Apollo sites. Where Yutu sits, the lunar soil or regolith goes down some 2 meters instead of 3-8 meters at other landing sites. That means easier excavation of much sought after lunar bedrock. We may even be seeing blocks of bedrock littered about the ~10 meters wide crater in one of the first photos sent back to Earth by the Chinese lander.>>
Thanks Art, this is really interesting. Do you know if NASA got permission to fly the LRO over the Chinese landing site? :-|

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by neufer » Wed Dec 18, 2013 12:49 pm

magenrod wrote:
What is all that on the ground which appears to be debris ,trash, or something else ??
  • "The boulders strewn about the crater rim at the Chang’e 3 landing site might be samples of lunar bedrock."
http://www.universetoday.com/107305/smack-a-new-crater-appears-on-the-moon-yutu-rover-update/#more-107305 wrote:
Yutu Rover Update
by Bob King on December 18, 2013

<<NASA will photograph the Chinese Yutu rover and lander when LRO orbits over western Mare Imbrium on Dec. 24 and 25. As it turns out, the lander didn’t land in Sinus Iridium as reported earlier but in nearby Mare Imbrium, a good distance east of the original site but still within the official “landing box”.

Fortuitously, this location turns out to be a great spot to examine young lavas not sampled during the Apollo missions. All the Apollo rocks ranged in age from 3.1 to 3.8 billion years old. Based on crater counts and the flow’s relatively fresh appearance, Yutu sits at the northern edge of a lava sheet dated at between 1 and 2.5 billion years. In lunar years, that’s fresh!

Younger flows experience less erosion, so the lunar bedrock isn’t buried beneath as much rock as at the Apollo sites. Where Yutu sits, the lunar soil or regolith goes down some 2 meters instead of 3-8 meters at other landing sites. That means easier excavation of much sought after lunar bedrock. We may even be seeing blocks of bedrock littered about the ~10 meters wide crater in one of the first photos sent back to Earth by the Chinese lander.>>

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by Nitpicker » Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:12 pm

MarkBour wrote:Nitpicker: You should go correct the misspelling in the Wikipedia article that you noticed.
Naughty Miss Pelling! Stop making Wikipedia entries like that! :ssmile:

I see "Sinus Iridium" written quite frequently. It would be quite neat if significant quantities of the element iridium were one day found in Sinus Iridum, not just because iridium was named after Iris, the Greek goddess of the rainbow, but also because of the "iridium anomaly". See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_anomaly
Stop dreaming Morpheus, Iris is too good for you.

...

I will check back on the Chang'e 3 article in a few days, but mainly to check that the coordinates of the landing site have not changed.

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(Please, nobody mention aluminium versus aluminum.)

Re: APOD: Yutu Rover Rolls onto the Moon (2013 Dec 16)

by MarkBour » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:57 am

Nitpicker: You should go correct the misspelling in the Wikipedia article that you noticed.

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