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Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by saturno2 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm

For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)

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Post by BDanielMayfield » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:42 pm

saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
You live in a very volcanic, earthquake prone and mountainous area. (In or near the Andes Mountains, no?) Also, the weather in recent times is getting more extreme all over. Therefore I'd bet that most scientists would brush off your observations as mere random chance coincidences. But otoh animals have been documented acting strangely before earthquakes...

So, with your experiences saturno2, I'd stay clear of volcanoes today.
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Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm

saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
The ability to detect patterns where there are none is one of the most powerful human biases.
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by BDanielMayfield » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:31 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm
saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
The ability to detect patterns where there are none is one of the most powerful human biases.
See, that’s just what I’d expect most scientists to attribute saturno2’s observations to as an explanation. And, I’ll admit, he (Chris) is probably correct. But if there’s a volcano that erupts in his area before his nights return to normal temperatures, then there’d be something to investigate at least.

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Post by BDanielMayfield » Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:33 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm
The ability to detect patterns where there are none is one of the most powerful human biases.
I agree. But, without our ability to detect patterns where would science be?

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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:32 pm

BDanielMayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:31 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm
saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
The ability to detect patterns where there are none is one of the most powerful human biases.
See, that’s just what I’d expect most scientists to attribute saturno2’s observations to as an explanation. And, I’ll admit, he (Chris) is probably correct. But if there’s a volcano that erupts in his area before his nights return to normal temperatures, then there’d be something to investigate at least.
Well, people have looked for patterns between weather, tides, and other potential triggers and seismic and volcanic activity. Using statistical tools that can pick out valid correlations far better than we can using our intuition. And AFAIK, there are some weak correlations between both tides and rainfall for certain kinds of earthquakes. I haven't heard of any connection to volcanic eruptions, though.
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:33 pm

BDanielMayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 6:33 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:10 pm
The ability to detect patterns where there are none is one of the most powerful human biases.
I agree. But, without our ability to detect patterns where would science be?
If we were't super sensitive to patterns, we probably wouldn't even be here. For most of our existence, detecting false correlations was mostly harmless, whereas missing real ones could easily be fatal.
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by saturno2 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:42 am

BDanielMayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:42 pm
saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
You live in a very volcanic, earthquake prone and mountainous area. (In or near the Andes Mountains, no?) Also, the weather in recent times is getting more extreme all over. Therefore I'd bet that most scientists would brush off your observations as mere random chance coincidences. But otoh animals have been documented acting strangely before earthquakes...

So, with your experiences saturno2, I'd stay clear of volcanoes today.
Yes, I now live near the Andes, far from the volcanoes, but not for
Fear of them
I was near to the epicenter of the earthquake of Abril 2016
In Manabi Ecuador ( 7.8 degrees Richter )

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Post by BDanielMayfield » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:16 am

saturno2 wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:42 am
BDanielMayfield wrote:
Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:42 pm
saturno2 wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 11:44 pm
For several years I have observed that before a volcanic eruption
In my zone, the environment temperature becomes colder than
Normal ( very cold in the night )
And, before a strong earthquake the environment temperature
Goes up more of the normal ( very hot in the day )
I do not know if this observation ca be valid for monitor
These events.
Right now it has felt an unusual cold at night.
( possible volcanic eruption in my zone)
You live in a very volcanic, earthquake prone and mountainous area. (In or near the Andes Mountains, no?) Also, the weather in recent times is getting more extreme all over. Therefore I'd bet that most scientists would brush off your observations as mere random chance coincidences. But otoh animals have been documented acting strangely before earthquakes...

So, with your experiences saturno2, I'd stay clear of volcanoes today.
Yes, I now live near the Andes, far from the volcanoes, but not for
Fear of them
I was near to the epicenter of the earthquake of Abril 2016
In Manabi Ecuador ( 7.8 degrees Richter )
I was trying to come up with plausible cause / effect links for your experiences saturno2. The only theory I can come up with is that volcanic out gassing prior to an earthquake or an eruption might raise the humidity. This could make days seem hotter and nights colder.

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Post by saturno2 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:15 pm

Year 1999. I was in Quito - Ecuador, that is next to the volcano Pichincha.
For 3 or 4 days change the weather. It felt an intense cold in the night ( inusual)
There was 2 eruptions of the volcano, that was inactive for long time.
The second eruption of the volcano ejected steam, gas and ash that
Formed a column of 12 km in height.

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Post by saturno2 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 2:46 pm

Year 2018. Went up the temperature of the environment in the day,
For 1 week. Near where I live there were 3 earthquekes of 3.5, 4, y 5
Degrees Richter. ( In different points)
Then increase the temperature more in the day for about 5 days.
There were solar rays too strongs ( inusual )
I thought in a a strong earthquake in my zone. It was not so.
It ocurred in Indonesia.
Earthquake and tsunami in Palu Indonesia

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Post by saturno2 » Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:01 am

The weather if it produces earthquakes. ( indirectly )
A group of scientists from Australia have conducted
A study in India.
They affirm that the evolution of the weather in millions
of years, it influences in the movement of the tectonic
Plates ( and produces earthquakes ).
They also say that global warming does not accelerate
The production of earthquakes.
This investigation ruins the belief that the weather does not
Produce earthquakes. ( indirectly )
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Nov 30, 2018 4:31 am

saturno2 wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2018 3:01 am
The weather if it produces earthquakes.
A group of scientists from Australia have conducted
A study in India.
They affirm that the evolution of the weather in millions
of years, it influences in the movement of the tectonic
Plates ( and produces earthquakes ).
They also say that global warming does not accelerate
The production of earthquakes.
This investigation ruins the belief that the weather does not
Produce earthquakes.
No, it doesn't. It says that climate influences tectonics. That does not mean there is any connection between weather and earthquakes.
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Post by saturno2 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:22 am

Russian scientists (according with data of Scientists of NASA
And Australis ) say that before a strong earthquake there is
A warming of the atmosphere and an increase of electrons
In the atmosphere ( in the event area )
They say that in the future it could be predicted
An earthquake, studing these data and other
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Post by saturno2 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:05 pm

Russian scientists, from IZMIRAN Institute, say that apart from
The warming and increase of electrons in the atmosphere,
Signals before of an earthquake, should be studied
The activity of the Sun and the magnetic field of the Earth in
These events.
Other Russian scientists and media say that the warming of
The atmosphere it is not only a signal of an earthquake,
It is the cause of the same. The warming can be provoked
By the man, too...

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Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:18 pm

saturno2 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:05 pm
Russian scientists, from IZMIRAN Institute, say that apart from
The warming and increase of electrons in the atmosphere,
Signals before of an earthquake, should be studied
The activity of the Sun and the magnetic field of the Earth in
These events.
Other Russian scientists and media say that the warming of
The atmosphere it is not only a signal of an earthquake,
It is the cause of the same. The warming can be provoked
By the man, too...
Always be skeptical about Russian science. It's a country- an entire culture- with a rich history of pseudoscience and bad science, which continues to today. Not that there aren't good Russian scientists, but there is an awful lot of bad, as well, and subjects like earthquake prediction (which almost all credible researchers argue isn't possible except in the last seconds) is an area that has long attracted pseudoscientists.
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Post by saturno2 » Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:54 pm

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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by saturno2 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:03 pm

Ecuacor S A
Day 22 february 2019
It ocurred in my zone 3 earthquakes
Magnitude ( Richter ) 7.5 / 6 / 5.9
Local time 5h 17m / 5h 20 m / 5h 40m
Different epicenter

3 consecutive days before the day 22,
It felt in the afternoons a strong Sun
And a overheated of the ambient

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Post by orin stepanek » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:43 pm

Two things we don't have in Nebraska are Volcanoes and tsunami; yet! :wink: Nebraska has had quakes; I guess, but I don't recall noticing them!
Tornadoes are fearful enough! :evil:
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:05 pm

saturno2 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:03 pm
Ecuacor S A
Day 22 february 2019
It ocurred in my zone 3 earthquakes
Magnitude ( Richter ) 7.5 / 6 / 5.9
Local time 5h 17m / 5h 20 m / 5h 40m
Different epicenter

3 consecutive days before the day 22,
It felt in the afternoons a strong Sun
And a overheated of the ambient
Ah. The power of the human brain to find patterns even where there are none.
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by neufer » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:38 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:05 pm

The power of the human brain to find patterns even where there are none.
We are the evolutionary byproduct of an environment that favored large brains capable of noticing patterns (even when they often proved coincidental).

Eventually we found good systematic ways of testing those patterns for validation.
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Re: Weather- volcanoes- earthquakes

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:41 pm

neufer wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:38 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:05 pm

The power of the human brain to find patterns even where there are none.
We are the evolutionary byproduct of an environment that favored large brains capable of noticing patterns (even when they often proved coincidental).

Eventually we found good systematic ways of testing those patterns for validation.
I do think a lot of the problems we face in the world stem from the fact that "we" represents far too small a percentage of "everyone".
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Post by neufer » Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:12 am

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Chris Peterson wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:41 pm
neufer wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:38 pm
Chris Peterson wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 5:05 pm

The power of the human brain to find patterns even where there are none.
We are the evolutionary byproduct of an environment that favored large brains capable of noticing patterns (even when they often proved coincidental). Eventually we found good systematic ways of testing those patterns for validation.
I do think a lot of the problems we face in the world stem from the fact that "we" represents far too small a percentage of "everyone".
Art Neuendorffer