Is Climate Change Real?

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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:51 pm

derekpbhs23 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:44 pm
Climate Change is Real, but I don't think we as humans actually contribute to changing the climate. It's all natural.

Jacob
You are wrong. It's as simple as that. This is a matter of fact, not opinion. The evidence is overwhelming, which is why it is uncontested among climate scientists.
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by geckzilla » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:01 am

Hi Chris, I'm almost sure you are arguing with robots, here. I have deleted the URLs from their posts. Be wary of users who pop in, post 1 thing, and have a URL in their only post. I've also updated the anti-spam robot question since we seem to be getting increasing numbers of them.
Just call me "geck" because "zilla" is like a last name.

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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by Chris Peterson » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:08 am

geckzilla wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:01 am
Hi Chris, I'm almost sure you are arguing with robots, here. I have deleted the URLs from their posts. Be wary of users who pop in, post 1 thing, and have a URL in their only post. I've also updated the anti-spam robot question since we seem to be getting increasing numbers of them.
Thanks. I wasn't sure. At least one link went to what appeared to be an ostensibly reasonable information page. I imagined someone might just be interested in driving traffic there, but couldn't be certain.
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by geckzilla » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:41 am

Yeah, I checked them too. Who knows what kind of tactic they're using, but it's probably easier to fool people when you post links that look somewhat legitimate and not obviously commercial.
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by rinkukhanna » Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:06 pm

In short: Yes!

Climate Change is real and it's happening. Every living species are suffering from it. Global warming, pollution, waste etc. contributes to climate change. It must be controlled before it controls us.
From my research of past few months I have come to know that parts of Europe have been affected. Not only Europe but whole world is suffering. Many people argue that climate change is not happening but, I can show you proof with the help of data and figures -

Here is the source - https://www.earthreminder.com/climate-c ... condition/

After reading it you will come to know how slowly and gradually things are changing to bad or worse.

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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by Fred the Cat » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:57 pm

Is it wrong to take a gas-guzzling cruse ship to see glaciers calving? :?
Glacier Calf.JPG
Although this one is advancing. :wink:
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by neufer » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:08 pm

Fred the Cat wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:57 pm

Is it wrong to take a gas-guzzling cruse ship to see glaciers calving? :?
  • Or even to see cows calving?
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=cruse wrote:
cruse (n.) "small vessel for liquids," late 13c., of uncertain origin; perhaps in Old English, or perhaps from Old Norse krus "pot, tankard," both apparently from a general Germanic root (compare Middle Dutch cruese, Dutch kroes "cup, pot, mug," Middle Low German krus, Danish krus "mug, jug," German Krause "jug, mug") of uncertain connection.
https://www.brighthubengineering.com/naval-architecture/100758-cruise-ship-fuel-efficiency/ wrote:
  • Cruise Ship Gas Mileage
Naval Architecture & Ship Design for Marine Engineers / By Erik Hinrichsen / Marine Engineering

<<The MS Oasis of the Seas, completed in 2010, has a total length of 361.8 meters, a height of 72 meters above the sea line, and room in its 16 passenger decks for 6,296 passengers. At its cruising speed of 26 mph, the Oasis of the Seas burns 11361 gallons of fuel each hour. The fuel efficiency, then, is 0.0023 mpg, or 12.08 feet per gallon! The Oasis of the seas, when fully occupied, gets 14.40 mpg per passenger.

Cruise ships in the Voyager class are about 311 meters in length, but have a tonnage of "just" 138,000 Tons. Assuming an efficiency of about 30% means the boat is burning roughly 1.84 gallons of fuel per second, or 6640 gallons per hour. Since the ship's cruising speed is 27.3 mph, the cruise ship's fuel efficiency is roughly 0.004 mpg. Since the ship carries 3114 passengers, its gas mileage is 12.79 mpg/passenger.

To put these figures into perspective: The Boeing 747-400 seats 624, cruises at 567 mph, and has a range of 8357 miles. With a total fuel capacity of 57,285 gallons, the 747-400 has a gas mileage of about 0.15 mpg. Taking passengers into account, the figure is 91 mpg/passenger!>>
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:11 pm

Fred the Cat wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:57 pm
Is it wrong to take a gas-guzzling cruse ship to see glaciers calving? :?
Glacier Calf.JPG
Although this one is advancing. :wink:
I think almost anything is ethically responsible if you find the least impactful way of managing it.
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Re: Is Climate Change Real?

Post by rstevenson » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:16 pm

Fred the Cat wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:57 pm
Is it wrong to take a gas-guzzling cruse ship to see glaciers calving?
Eventually we as a species will have to figure out how to exist on what is effectively a zero-sum world. We're going to go through a very hard time getting there, but we'll either figure that out or die off.

As for travelling to see natural phenomena, I understand the urge but do you really need to? Think of watching the world series or similar: you can pay a lot to be there and enjoy the entire zoo experience, but you'll see the plays a lot better, and with instant replay, watching it at home on TV. Same with glaciers: you'll feel the chilly air and hear (and feel) the awesome sound in person, but you can see calving of many different glaciers in more detail and slow motion on any computer connected to the internet. I suspect virtual travel will be the norm in the future.

Rob