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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:17 am

owlice wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:57 am
neufer wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:04 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Waugh wrote:
<<Alexander Waugh (born 1963) is an English eccentric...

Waugh is an advocate of the Oxfordian theory, the belief that Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford wrote the works of William Shakespeare. He claims to have found surreptitious allusions embedded in 16th- and 17th-century works revealing that the name "William Shakespeare" was a pseudonym used by Oxford to write the Shakespeare oeuvre.>>
neufer wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:48 pm
https://michaelshermer.com/2001/11/baloney-detection/ wrote:
Baloney Detection
Michael Shermer November 2001

To detect baloney — that is, to help discriminate between science and pseudoscience — I suggest 10 questions to ask when encountering any claim.

3. Have the claims been verified by another source?
...
5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only supportive evidence been sought?
Alexander Waugh's primary claim has the advantage that it can be scientifically tested:
  • Waugh claims that Edward de Vere's remains lie buried under Shakespeare's 1740 statue in Poet's Corner.
Alexander Waugh's secondary claim supports what Baconians have been saying for 160 years :
  • That the Stratfordian man has been a Masonic conspiracy for 400+ years.
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Most of the analysis that I have done for the last 20 years also strongly favors
a Masonic conspiracy for 400+ years; including the fact that the 1623 First Folio was dedicated to
GRAND MASTER WILLIAM HERBERT the Earl of Pembroke (and his brother Phillip):
https://tinyurl.com/ybwfvf2d wrote:
  • "Moore C W The Freemasons Monthly Magazine Vol IV 1845"
GRAND MASTERS, OR PATRONS, OF THE FREE AND ACCEPTED MASONS IN ENGLAND,
from the coming in of the Saxons to the year 1839, Compiled and
condensed from the most authoritative records, by Br. Thomas Joseph
Tennison, President of the Masonic Council of Armagh, Ireland.
........................................................................
1607: James I., a Brother Mason, Grand Patron by Prerogative, appointed
Inigo Jones, Grand Master of all England, in which capacity he served
for 11 years. His Wardens were Master WILLIAM HERBERT the Earl of Pembroke,
& *NICHOLAS STONE*, Esq., who, attended by many
Brothers attired in Craft clothing, walked to White Hall, and laid
the first stone of the Banquetting Hall, with knocks, huzzas,
and sound of trumpets, throwing a purse of gold upon the stone
for the operatives to drink “To the King and Craft!"

1618. WILLIAM HERBERT, Earl of Pembroke, was chosen Grand Master.
He appointed Inigo Jones his Deputy.
http://91.1911encyclopedia.org/S/SH/SHAKESPEARE.htm wrote:
<<The Stratford bust & monument must have been erected
on the N. wall. The design in its general aspect was one
often adopted by the "tombe-makers "of the period, and
according to Dugdale was executed by a *Fleming* resident
in London since 1567, Garratt Johnson (Gerard JANssen),
who was occasionally a collaborator with *NICHOLAS STONE*, Esq.>>
Note that this non-astronomy thread [i.e., 10 reasons] has 215,248 views :!: (One wonders why.)

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Re: 10 reasons

Post by rstevenson » Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:51 pm

neufer wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:17 am
...
Note that this non-astronomy thread [i.e., 10 reasons] has 215,248 views :!: (One wonders why.)
The fact that so many find the thread interesting and even entertaining does not necessarily equate with acceptance of your views about poor Will.

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Re: 10 reasons

Post by geckzilla » Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:25 pm

It's probably got some high rankings through some kind of search engine results somewhere due to its content. People searching for space images probably won't end up at Asterisk, because there are lots of space image websites out there better than Asterisk. People searching for Shakespearean conspiracy theories might just end up at Asterisk because there are relatively few Shakespearean conspiracy theory websites, and Asterisk, strangely, might be one of the better ones.
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Whip "poor Will"

Post by neufer » Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:51 pm

rstevenson wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:51 pm
neufer wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:17 am
...
Note that this non-astronomy thread [i.e., 10 reasons] has 215,248 views :!: (One wonders why.)
The fact that so many find the thread interesting and even entertaining
does not necessarily equate with acceptance of your views about poor Will.
I'd be pleased as punch with " interesting and even entertaining"
...but I suspect something a little more sinister.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 3:33 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:25 pm

It's probably got some high rankings through some kind of search engine results somewhere due to its content. People searching for space images probably won't end up at Asterisk, because there are lots of space image websites out there better than Asterisk. People searching for Shakespearean conspiracy theories might just end up at Asterisk because there are relatively few Shakespearean conspiracy theory websites, and Asterisk, strangely, might be one of the better ones.
  • Othello : Act I, scene III
OTHELLO: My story being done,
  • She gave me for my pains a world of sighs:
    She swore, in faith, twas strange, 'twas passing strange,
    'Twas pitiful, 'twas wondrous pitiful.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by owlice » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:24 am

neufer wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:17 am
owlice wrote:
Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:57 am
neufer wrote:
Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:04 pm
neufer wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:48 pm
Alexander Waugh's primary claim has the advantage that it can be scientifically tested:
  • Waugh claims that Edward de Vere's remains lie buried under Shakespeare's 1740 statue in Poet's Corner.
Alexander Waugh's secondary claim supports what Baconians have been saying for 160 years :
  • That the Stratfordian man has been a Masonic conspiracy for 400+ years.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Most of the analysis that I have done for the last 20 years also strongly favors
a Masonic conspiracy for 400+ years; including the fact that the 1623 First Folio was dedicated to
GRAND MASTER WILLIAM HERBERT the Earl of Pembroke (and his brother Phillip)
Right from your previous post: Waugh "claims to have found surreptitious allusions embedded in 16th- and 17th-century works revealing that the name "William Shakespeare" was a pseudonym used by Oxford to write the Shakespeare oeuvre." He can claim whatever he'd like, even a conspiracy theory, but "surreptitious allusions" and a conspiracy theory aren't proof, nor even evidence.
neufer wrote:
Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:48 pm
https://michaelshermer.com/2001/11/baloney-detection/ wrote:
Baloney Detection
Michael Shermer November 2001

To detect baloney — that is, to help discriminate between science and pseudoscience — I suggest 10 questions to ask when encountering any claim.

1. How reliable is the source of the claim?
...
3. Have the claims been verified by another source?
...
5. Has anyone gone out of the way to disprove the claim, or has only supportive evidence been sought?
...
7. Is the claimant employing the accepted rules of reason and tools of research, or have these been abandoned in favor of others that lead to the desired conclusion?
...
10. Do the claimant’s personal beliefs and biases drive the conclusions, or vice versa?
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:40 pm

owlice wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:24 am

Do you prefer whole wheat, white, or pumpernickel?
Do you salute The Donald's picture every time you go in to work?
...................................................................................
Yes, Virginia, there has been a 400 year old Masonic conspiracy that
has promoted humanist ideas & literature in order to protect us from
despots and the baser instincts of human beings...and thank God!

And, yes, there is a Deep State inside that Masonic built capital of the free world
to protect us from despots and the baser instincts of human beings...and thank God!

(Hitler hunted down Masons and sent them to concentration camps for good reason.)
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by geckzilla » Wed Apr 18, 2018 10:21 pm

you guys.
Just call me "geck" because "zilla" is like a last name.

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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:37 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-best-parts-of-comeys-book-have-nothing-to-do-with-trump/2018/04/19/307df2ae-440f-11e8-bba2-0976a82b05a2_story.html?utm_term=.a8cf083ed1d8 wrote:
The best parts of Comey’s book have nothing to do with Trump
By Fareed Zakaria, Washington Post Opinion writer April 19, 2018

<<...One of the oft-repeated criticisms of America is that it has too many lawyers. Maybe, but one of the country’s great strengths is its legal culture. As I’ve written before, Alexis de Tocqueville worried that without a class of patriotic and selfless aristocrats, the United States could fall prey to demagogues and populists. But he took comfort in the fact that, as he put it, American aristocracy can be found “at the bar or on the bench.” Tocqueville saw that lawyers, with their sense of civic duty, created a “form of public accountability that would help preserve the blessings of democracy without allowing its untrammeled vices.” Comey’s memoir reveals that America does indeed have a deep state. It is one of law and lawyers. And we should be deeply grateful for it.>>
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by owlice » Tue May 01, 2018 3:58 am

neufer wrote:
Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:40 pm

Do you salute The Donald's picture every time you go in to work?
Art, I trust that you will apologize ASAP for even thinking something so incredibly asinine.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Fri May 11, 2018 12:10 pm

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Re: A Slinky that has lost its spring.

Post by neufer » Sun May 20, 2018 10:50 pm

Ann wrote:
Art, this is for you. And for you too, owlice.
Image
4:
The only handwriting that exists
in Shakespeare's own hand is six shaky signatures.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Quiney wrote: .
<<Thomas Quiney (baptised 26 February 1589 – c. 1662 or 1663) was the husband of William Shakespeare's daughter Judith Shakespeare, and a vintner and tobacconist in Stratford-upon-Avon. Quiney held several municipal offices in the corporation of Stratford-upon-Avon, the highest being chamberlain in 1621 and 1622, but was also fined for various minor offences.

In 1616, Quiney married Judith Shakespeare. The marriage took place during a season when a special licence was required by the church, and the couple had failed to obtain one, leading to Quiney's brief excommunication. Quiney was also summoned before the Bawdy Court fewer than two months after the wedding to answer charges of "carnal copulation" with a Margaret Wheeler, who died in childbirth. Scholars believe that as a result of these events William Shakespeare altered his will to favour his other daughter, Susanna Hall, and excluded Quiney from his inheritance.

Judith Shakespeare was probably illiterate. In 1611, she witnessed the deed of sale of a house for £131 (equivalent to £24,160 in 2016) to William Mountford, a wheelwright of Stratford, from Elizabeth Quiney, her future mother-in-law, and Elizabeth's eldest son Adrian. Judith signed twice with a mark instead of her name.>>
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