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spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by ritwik » Wed Nov 14, 2012 2:59 pm

Astronomers have spotted a "rogue planet" - wandering the cosmos without a star to orbit - 100 light-years away.
Recent finds of such planets have suggested that they may be common, but candidates have eluded close study.

The proximity of the new rogue planet has allowed astronomers to guess its age: a comparatively young 50-120 million years old.

The planet, dubbed CFBDSIR2149-0403, is outlined in a paper posted online to appear in Astronomy and Astrophysics.

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Rogue planets are believed to form in one of two ways: in much the same way as planets bound to stars, coalescing from a disk of dust and debris but then thrown out of a host star's orbit, or in much the same way as stars but never reaching a full star's mass.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-20309762

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Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by neufer » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:15 pm

http://www.universetoday.com/98478/new-rogue-planet-found-closest-to-our-solar-system/#more-98478 wrote:
New Rogue Planet Found, Closest to our Solar System
by Nancy Atkinson on November 14, 2012

<<Rogue planets – also known as free floating planets – are pretty intriguing. They are not orbiting a star but instead are wandering through the galaxy, having been either forcibly ejected from a solar system or having formed very early on in the Universe. While only a handful of these planets have been actually found, astronomers estimate these vagrant worlds could vastly outnumber stars. In fact, it’s been suggested there could be 100,000 times more rogue planets than stars in our Milky Way galaxy alone!

The latest rogue world to be found is exciting in that it is the closest such object to our Solar System so far. At a distance of about 100 light-years, its comparative proximity, along with the absence of a bright star very close to it, has allowed the team to study its atmosphere in great detail. Astronomers say this object gives them a preview of the exoplanets that future instruments will be able to find – and potentially take image of — around stars other than the Sun. But the planet also seems to be loosely tied to a roving group of stars, called the AB Doradus Moving Group.

The new rogue planet, with the ungainly name of CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9 (CFBDSIR2149 for short), was found using the Very Large Telescope and the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope. The astronomers, led by Philippe Delorme from the Institut de planétologie et d’astrophysique de Grenoble, CNRS/Université Joseph Fourier, France, are calling the object a rogue planet candidate for now, as they want to study it further to confirm its free-floating status.

Moving star systems are equally intriguing. The AB Doradus Moving Group is the closest such group to our Solar System, and the stars drift through space together in a pack. They are thought to have formed at the same time. If the new rogue planet actually is associated with this moving group, astronomers say it will be possible to deduce much more about it, including its temperature, mass, and what its atmosphere is made of. There remains a small probability that the association with the moving group is by chance.

The link between the new object and the moving group is the vital clue that allows astronomers to find the age of the newly discovered object. Without knowing its age, it’s not possible to know whether it is really a planet, or a brown dwarf, a “failed” star that lack the bulk to trigger the reactions that make stars shine.

This is the first isolated planetary mass object ever identified in a moving group, and the association with this group makes it the most interesting free-floating planet candidate identified so far.>>
  • How the heck does one see a planet 100ly away?

    It's damn hard to see a planet 100AU away.
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Re: spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by Ann » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:52 pm

I don't understand these things anywhere nearly well enough to have an opinion on whether it is actually possible to spot a free-floating planet a hundred light-years away, but I agree with Art that it ought to be, at least, very, very difficult.

The planet is thought to belong to the AB Dorado Moving Group. I checked up AB Dorado. It is classified as a K1III star, which possibly suggests that it is a really old star, old enough for this low-mass star to have begun to exhaust the hydrogen in its core. Actually, that's probably not physically possible. To my knowledge, all known globular clusters, which are typically 10-12 billion years old, still have all their K-type stars firmly anchored to the main sequence. A K1III star that has left the main sequence may have to be older than the universe.

On the other hand, stars may also be quite cool and bright when they are very young. Pre-main sequence stars shine quite brightly when their still "fluffy" and non-hydrogen fusing cores are shrinking due to gravitational contraction. If AB Doradus is that kind of star, it might be young indeed, a few tens of millions of years or so. It would be a stellar baby. In that case, the other stars belonging to the AB Doradus Moving Group are likely very young too, and the same would be true of the free-floating planet. And if the planet is very young, it might still be quite hot and comparatively easy to spot at infrared wavelengths.

But it would still be tremendously hard to find it and to study it, or at least it seems that way to me.

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Re: spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by Doum » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:16 pm

Quote from that link:

Not to be outdone by the Keck II telescope in Hawaii, NASA's infrared Spitzer Space Telescope may have discovered a brown dwarf even cooler than the brown dwarf Discovery News reported on last week.

Keck spotted "CFBDSIR J1458+1013B," a brown dwarf 75 light-years from Earth with a mass of 6-15 times that of Jupiter, and from observations realized that this very dim object must have a temperature of less than 100 degrees Celsius (212 F) -- about as hot as boiling water.


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So, the potential Spitzer discovery of an "ultra-cold" brown dwarf has excited scientists even more. Spitzer's candidate brown dwarf, detected 63 light-years from Earth with a mass of approximately seven times the mass of Jupiter, appears to have a temperature of 30 degrees Celsius (86 F)! This "room temperature" brown dwarf is called "WD 0806-661B."

I suppose that if they can see a 30 degrees Celcius brown dwarf at 63 light years then a planet of 400 degrees Celcius might be detectable at 100 light year. (If its a planet?)
Here is the link:

http://news.discovery.com/space/ultra-c ... 10312.html

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Re: Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:31 pm

neufer wrote:How the heck does one see a planet 100ly away?

It's damn hard to see a planet 100AU away.
It's not hard at all to see planets 100 AU away. And this suspected rogue planet is big (~5 Jupiter masses) and relatively hot (700 K). In the J, H, and K NIR bands it's relatively bright at ~mag 20. Of course, it was imaged with a large aperture telescope.
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ESO: Lost in Space: Rogue Planet Spotted?

Post by bystander » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:28 pm

Lost in Space: Rogue Planet Spotted?
European Southern Observatory | 2012 Nov 14
Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope | 2012 Nov 14
Orphaned world may help to explain how planets and stars form
Astronomers using ESO’s Very Large Telescope and the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope have identified a body that is very probably a planet wandering through space without a parent star. This is the most exciting free-floating planet candidate so far and the closest such object to the Solar System at a distance of about 100 light-years. Its comparative proximity, and the absence of a bright star very close to it, has allowed the team to study its atmosphere in great detail. This object also gives astronomers a preview of the exoplanets that future instruments aim to image around stars other than the Sun.

Free-floating planets are planetary-mass objects that roam through space without any ties to a star. Possible examples of such objects have been found before [1], but without knowing their ages, it was not possible for astronomers to know whether they were really planets or brown dwarfs — “failed” stars that lack the bulk to trigger the reactions that make stars shine.

But astronomers have now discovered an object, labelled CFBDSIR2149 [2], that seems to be part of a nearby stream of young stars known as the AB Doradus Moving Group. The researchers found the object in observations from the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope and harnessed the power of ESO’s Very Large Telescope to examine its properties [3].

The AB Doradus Moving Group is the closest such group to the Solar System. Its stars drift through space together and are thought to have formed at the same time. If the object is associated with this moving group — and hence it is a young object — it is possible to deduce much more about it, including its temperature, mass, and what its atmosphere is made of [4]. There remains a small probability that the association with the moving group is by chance.

The link between the new object and the moving group is the vital clue that allows astronomers to find the age of the newly discovered object [5]. This is the first isolated planetary mass object ever identified in a moving group, and the association with this group makes it the most interesting free-floating planet candidate identified so far.

“Looking for planets around their stars is akin to studying a firefly sitting one centimetre away from a distant, powerful car headlight,” says Philippe Delorme (Institut de planétologie et d’astrophysique de Grenoble, CNRS/Université Joseph Fourier, France), lead author of the new study. “This nearby free-floating object offered the opportunity to study the firefly in detail without the dazzling lights of the car messing everything up.”

Free-floating objects like CFBDSIR2149 are thought to form either as normal planets that have been booted out of their home systems, or as lone objects like the smallest stars or brown dwarfs. In either case these objects are intriguing — either as planets without stars, or as the tiniest possible objects in a range spanning from the most massive stars to the smallest brown dwarfs.

“These objects are important, as they can either help us understand more about how planets may be ejected from planetary systems, or how very light objects can arise from the star formation process,” says Philippe Delorme. “If this little object is a planet that has been ejected from its native system, it conjures up the striking image of orphaned worlds, drifting in the emptiness of space.”

These worlds could be common — perhaps as numerous as normal stars [6]. If CFBDSIR2149 is not associated with the AB Doradus Moving Group it is trickier to be sure of its nature and properties, and it may instead be characterised as a small brown dwarf. Both scenarios represent important questions about how planets and stars form and behave.

“Further work should confirm CFBDSIR2149 as a free-floating planet,” concludes Philippe Delorme. “This object could be used as a benchmark for understanding the physics of any similar exoplanets that are discovered by future special high-contrast imaging systems, including the SPHERE instrument that will be installed on the VLT.”
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    [*] Numerous candidates for these kinds of planets have been found before (with corresponding press releases and papers, e.g. from Science Magazine, Nature, Royal Astronomical Society). These objects started to become known in the 1990s, when astronomers found that the point at which a brown dwarf crosses over into the planetary mass range is difficult to determine. More recent studies have suggested that there may be huge numbers of these little bodies in our galaxy, a population numbering almost twice as many as the main sequence stars present.

    [*] The object was identified as part of an infrared extension of the Canada-France Brown Dwarfs Survey (CFBDS), a project hunting for cool brown dwarf stars. It is also referred to as CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9.

    [*] The team observed CFBDSIR2149 with both the WIRCam camera on the Canada France Hawaii Telescope on Hawaii, and the SOFI camera on the ESO New Technology Telescope in Chile. The images taken at different times allowed the object’s proper motion across the sky to be measured and compared to members of the AB Doradus Moving Group. The detailed study of the object’s atmosphere was made using the X-shooter spectrograph on ESO’s Very Large Telescope at the Paranal Observatory.

    [*] The association with the AB Doradus Moving Group would pin down the mass of the planet to approximately 4–7 times the mass of Jupiter, with an effective temperature of approximately 430 degrees Celsius. The planet’s age would be the same as the moving group itself — 50 to 120 million years.

    [*] The team’s statistical analysis of the object’s proper motion — its angular change in position across the sky each year — shows an 87% probability that the object is associated with the AB Doradus Moving Group, and more than 95% probability that it is young enough to be of planetary mass, making it much more likely to be a rogue planet rather than a small “failed” star. More distant free-floating planet candidates have been found before in very young star clusters, but could not be studied in detail.

    [*] These free-floating objects can also reveal their presence when they pass in front of a star. The light travelling towards us from the background star is bent and distorted by the gravity of the object, causing the star to suddenly and briefly brighten — a process known as gravitational microlensing. Microlensing surveys of the Milky Way, such as OGLE, may have detected free-floating planets in this way (for example, a Microlensing Experiment published in Nature in 2011).

CFBDSIR2149-0403: a 4-7 Jupiter-mass free-floating planet in the young moving group AB Doradus ? - P. Delorme et al Astronomers find “homeless” planet wandering through Space
Université de Montréal | 2012 Nov 14

Free-Floating Orphan Planet Spotted
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A New Free-Floating Planet Candidate
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Re: Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by neufer » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:24 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
neufer wrote:
How the heck does one see a planet 100ly away?

It's damn hard to see a planet 100AU away.
It's not hard at all to see planets 100 AU away.
  • Maybe Jupiter sized planets.
Chris Peterson wrote:
neufer wrote:
And this suspected rogue planet is big (~5 Jupiter masses) and relatively hot (700 K).
  • Then how does a ~5 Jupiter mass rogue planet remain so hot (700 K)?

    Was it born yesterday?
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Re: Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by bystander » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:36 pm

neufer wrote:
Then how does a ~5 Jupiter mass rogue planet remain so hot (700 K)?

Was it born yesterday?
Relatively speaking, yes.
ESO/CFHT wrote:The association with the AB Doradus Moving Group would pin down the mass of the planet to approximately 4–7 times the mass of Jupiter, with an effective temperature of approximately 430 degrees Celsius. The planet’s age would be the same as the moving group itself — 50 to 120 million years.
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Re: Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Nov 14, 2012 9:18 pm

neufer wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:It's not hard at all to see planets 100 AU away.
Maybe Jupiter sized planets.
No, it's easy to see even low albedo comet sized planets. The tricky bit is aiming at the right spot, and in discriminating them from stars. But simple detection is not typically that challenging.
neufer wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:And this suspected rogue planet is big (~5 Jupiter masses) and relatively hot (700 K).
Then how does a ~5 Jupiter mass rogue planet remain so hot (700 K)?

Was it born yesterday?
Yes, it is estimated to be young- just a couple hundred million years at most.
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Re: spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by Ann » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:03 am

I should amend what I said about the impossibility of core hydrogen-depleted K1III stars. In fact, such stars are not only possible, they are common. But they are all considerably brighter than the Sun. That means that they all started out as massive as the Sun, or more massive still.

AB Dorado is fainter than the Sun. Its luminosity is about the third of the Sun's. Therefore it must be a low-mass star. And the universe is not old enough for such stars to have depleted the hydrogen in their cores.

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Re: Little CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9, how do you do.

Post by neufer » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:00 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
neufer wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
And this suspected rogue planet is big (~5 Jupiter masses) and relatively hot (700 K).
Then how does a ~5 Jupiter mass rogue planet remain so hot (700 K)?

Was it born yesterday?
Yes, it is estimated to be young- just a couple hundred million years at most.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun wrote:
<<In the early years of the modern scientific era, the source of the Sun's energy was a significant puzzle. Lord Kelvin suggested that the Sun was a gradually cooling liquid body that was radiating an internal store of heat. Kelvin and Hermann von Helmholtz then proposed a gravitational contraction mechanism to explain the energy output. Unfortunately the resulting age estimate was only 20 million years, well short of the time span of at least 300 million years suggested by some geological discoveries of that time.>>
IF the Sun could stay at 6,000K gravitationally for 20 million years then
a Jupiter sized planet (an order of magnitude smaller) could stay at 700K


[list]for ~100 million years x M2[/list]
(where M = the planet's mass in Jupiter masses).
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Note, however, that a Jupiter sized planet could also stay at 100K

[list]for ~240 billion years x M2[/list]
(where M = the planet's mass in Jupiter masses).

The fact that this situation approximates Jupiter itself which is only ~5 billion years old
indicates that the Kelvin/Helmholtz assumption of constant radiation is incorrect.

A younger planet is actually larger & more transparent and hence a stronger radiator.
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Correcting for this (constantly diminishing radiation) reality by an adjustment factor of ~50 gives:

IF the Sun could stay at 6,000K gravitationally for 400,000 years then
a Jupiter sized planet (an order of magnitude smaller) could stay at 700K

[list]for ~2 million years x M2[/list]
(where M = the planet's mass in Jupiter masses).

(Making CFBDSIR2149-0403 ~ 50 million years old by this estimate.)
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Lonely planet roams with stellar outcasts
New Scientist | Astrophile | Lisa Grossman | 2012 Nov 15
Object: Gas giant planet
Name: CFBDSIR2149
Location: The AB Doradus moving group of stars
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Just drifting: artist's impression of CFBDSIR2149
(Credit: ESO/L. Calçada/P. Delorme/N. Risinger
(skysurvey.org)/R. Saito/VVV Consortium)

The giant planet doesn't even remember home. Once it was the largest in a system orbiting a young star, nestled in a star cluster that drifted peacefully through the galaxy. But a chance encounter with a massive foe ripped the cluster apart. The planet was separated from its star and sent wandering through space with a small band of stellar companions.

If this tale proves true, the loose gathering of stars known as the AB Doradus moving group is harbouring a newly discovered orphaned world. Known as CFBDSIR2149, the object may be the closest known rogue planet, offering the best glimpse yet of one of these bizarre worlds.

The object turned up during a recent survey of young brown dwarfs – "failed" stars that never grow big enough to ignite – done with the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii. The warm brown dwarfs all glowed in the infrared. But the scientists noticed that one object, CFBDSIR2149, was unusually bright in a section of the near-infrared spectrum called the K band.

Such brightness suggests lower gravity, says Philippe Delorme of the Institute of Planetology and Astrophysics in Grenoble, France. Colliding hydrogen molecules absorb more K band light shining from the interior. But if an object has less gravity, it will have lower atmospheric pressure, which means fewer collisions and thus more K band light getting through.

Alone in a crowd

This hints that the object is less than 13 times the mass of Jupiter – too small to be a brown dwarf. But to be certain, Delorme and colleagues needed some idea of its age. "If you see a bright object, you cannot be sure if it's small and very young, so it still has energy from its formation, or if it's [old and] massive," says Delorme.

That's where being in a stellar caravan comes in handy. Follow-up observations of the object's motion through space show that it seems to be travelling with the AB Doradus group, a collection of about 30 stars of the same age and composition a mere 65 light years from Earth. These stars probably formed as part of a larger cluster between 50 million and 120 million years ago but got ripped away when it ran into a more massive obstacle, like a huge gas cloud.

The wanderers are no longer gravitationally linked, but they are headed in the same direction. "Like when you kick a clod of sand, the grains don't stick together anymore but they have the same common motion," Delorme says.

Frozen rogues?

The team calculates that CFBDSIR2149 has an 87 per cent probability of being an AB Doradus member. If so, it is also likely to be somewhere between 50 and 120 million years old, and would be between 4 and 7 times the mass of Jupiter – squarely in planet range. The team also estimate its temperature to be about 400 °C.

All told, CFBDSIR2149 is now the best-studied "lonely" planet, says co-author Étienne Artigau of the University of Montreal in Canada. "It's much better constrained than any other object of its kind," he says. Other candidates are either so distant and dim that they show themselves only through gravitational effects, or their age or mass is too uncertain to be definitively classified as planets.

It's still possible that CFBDSIR2149 is not a member of the AB Doradus group, which would make it a very odd brown dwarf. "Establishing membership definitively isn't easy though, because the moving group members are spread across a wide swath of the sky, unlike members of a compact star cluster," says Ray Jayawardhana of the University of Toronto in Canada, who was not involved in the new work.

It's also not clear whether the world was ejected from its own solar system or formed alone from a small cloud of collapsing gas. But if it was ejected, it probably wasn't the only planet kicked to the curb. Planet surveys suggest there are more small worlds than large ones in the galaxy, and it's easier to detach smaller ones from their stars.

"If it's ejected, that would mean there are likely many frozen Earths and frozen Neptunes out in interstellar space," Delorme says.

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Re: spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by luxorion » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:19 pm

According sources (and telescopes used), the distance of AB Doradus moving group is 49, 63, 75 or even 100 l.y.

Does it mean that the group of 30 stars is spread is a radius of 25 or 50 l.y ?
and that the rogue body CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9 is the farest in this group ?
or is there really an inacurracy to calculate the distance of this body, while the parallax of the ABDMG is more than visible (67 mas) ?

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Re: spotted a lonely planet at 100ly away

Post by Ann » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:05 pm

luxorion wrote:According sources (and telescopes used), the distance of AB Doradus moving group is 49, 63, 75 or even 100 l.y.

Does it mean that the group of 30 stars is spread is a radius of 25 or 50 l.y ?
and that the rogue body CFBDSIR J214947.2-040308.9 is the farest in this group ?
or is there really an inacurracy to calculate the distance of this body, while the parallax of the ABDMG is more than visible (67 mas) ?

Thanks in advance for replies

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According to my software, the parallax for AB Dorado is 65.93 ± 0.57 milliarcseconds, corresponding to 49.47 ± 0.43 light-years. The margin of error is small. We can be pretty sure that the distance to AB Dorado is indeed around 49-50 light-years.

However, a moving group can be quite spread out. As for the AB Doradus Moving Group, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AB_Doradus_moving_group wrote:
About 10 of these stars form a nuclear group within a volume roughly 10 parsecs across.
So the core of the AB Doradus Moving Group is about 10 parsecs across, which corresponds to about 30 light-years. So a free-floating planet within this group could well be 30 light-years farther away from us than AB Doradus itself, and it could possibly be 50 light-years farther away from us than AB Doradus, too.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet#Planetary-mass_objects wrote:
<<A planet (from Ancient Greek αστήρ πλανήτης , meaning "wandering star") is a celestial body orbiting a star or stellar remnant that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, is not massive enough to cause thermonuclear fusion, and has cleared its neighbouring region of planetesimals.
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A planetary-mass object, PMO, or planemo is a celestial object with a mass that falls within the range of the definition of a planet: massive enough to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium (to be rounded under its own gravity), but not enough to sustain core fusion like a star. By definition, all planets are planetary-mass objects, but the purpose of the term is to describe objects which do not conform to typical expectations for a planet.

These include dwarf planets, the larger moons, free-floating planets not orbiting a star, such as rogue planets ejected from their system, and objects that formed through cloud-collapse rather than accretion (sometimes called sub-brown dwarfs).

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For a brief time in 2006, astronomers believed they had found a binary system of such objects, Oph 162225-240515, which the discoverers described as "planemos", or "planetary-mass objects". However, recent analysis of the objects has determined that their masses are probably each greater than 13 Jupiter-masses, making the pair brown dwarfs.
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Former stars: In close binary star systems one of the stars can lose mass to a heavier companion. See accretion-powered pulsars. The shrinking star can then become a planetary-mass object. An example is a Jupiter-mass object orbiting the pulsar PSR J1719-1438.
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Rogue planets: Several computer simulations of stellar and planetary system formation have suggested that some objects of planetary mass would be ejected into interstellar space. Some scientists have argued that such objects found roaming in deep space should be classed as "planets", although others have suggested that they could be low-mass stars.
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Sub-brown dwarfs: Stars form via the gravitational collapse of gas clouds, but smaller objects can also form via cloud-collapse. Planetary-mass objects formed this way are sometimes called sub-brown dwarfs. Sub-brown dwarfs may be free-floating such as Cha 110913-773444, or orbiting a larger object such as 2MASS J04414489+2301513.
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