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by **RJN** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:41 pm

The APOD for 2011 October 24 depicted the Waterfall Nebula, a structure that appears on the sky that is not well understood. In other words, the structure has been studied in some detail, but no consensus as to what created the Waterfall Nebula has occurred. A link to this APOD is here: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap111024.html . (This link will become active starting 111024 and this parenthetical remark will be removed.)

This thread is meant to solicit other such structures on the sky that have been imaged, thought about at least a bit, but no consensus as to its cause has yet been formed. If you know of such a structure, please mention it in a reply to this post. Thanks for contributing, if you can.

- RJN

by **NoelC** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:13 am

Well, just a few off the top of my head... Perhaps these have already been demystified, I don't know.

Hanny's Voorwerp
The Red Rectangle Nebula
What causes "crater chains" or whatever these things are...
SCP 06F6, a mysterious flash of light that does not match a supernova event

-Noel

by **SAMissile** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:22 am

I'm intrigued by the red dragonfly with yellow wings at the base of the waterfall in today's pic. Is it a red jet emerging from a star?

by **geckzilla** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:17 am

NoelC wrote:

What causes "crater chains" or whatever these things are...

-Noel

Art posted a cool article about this: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25504

by **SJB** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:47 am

To Answer SAM - Reply with quoteRe: What mysterious structures appear on the sky?
by SAMissile » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:22 am

I'm intrigued by the red dragonfly with yellow wings at the base of the waterfall in today's pic. Is it a red jet emerging from a star?
...

Reply.

I'm going to Guess that it is something similar to this APOD.

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110905.html

by **BarerMender** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:10 am

I don't know much about astronomy, but the waterfall suggests an edge to me. Some kind of... shock wave?

by **Devil Particle** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:36 pm

This APOD is one of the more interesting objects I've seen on here: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap100914.html

by **Fargion** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:00 pm

RJN wrote:The APOD for 2011 October 24 depicted the Waterfall Nebula, a structure that appears on the sky that is not well understood.

In different occasions, while considering GRB and SGRs as precessing jet, I suggested that the Waterfall Nebula
or the Protostar HH-34 in Orion, maybe the twin jet bent and seen in a whip-like jet structure,
observed in front (the larger tail and its brightest feeding jet side pointing down on left side , as well in the opposite far end (partially hidden) on the right side).
The description and the caption of the whip-like jet has been published in the Fig. 3 on reference:
arXiv:astro-ph/0501403, GRBs-SN and SGR-X-Pulsar as blazing Jets, D. F.
Chin.J.Astron.Astrophys. 3 (2003) 472-482 ;

Similar explanation maybe found in Fig.3 and Fig 4, of
arXiv:astro-ph/0307348, Rebrightening in GRBs by Precessing Jet, D.F.
in "Gamma Ray Bursts in the Afterglow Era", 3rd Ed., Vol. CS-312, ASP (2004); ISBN: 1-58381-165-6

An updated vision of GRB and SGRs and their link with the blazing gamma jets
with updated references is described in arXiv:1108.0638, while the earlier one is
arXiv:astro-ph/9903433 ;On the nature of the GRBs-SGRs blazing jet
by D.Fargion: Astron.Astrophys.Suppl.Ser.138:507-508,1999

Thank you for the kind attention DF

This thread is meant to solicit other such structures on the sky that have been imaged, thought about at least a bit, but no consensus as to its cause has yet been formed. If you know of such a structure, please mention it in a reply to this post. Thanks for contributing, if you can.

- RJN

by **RThuerck** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:12 am

Following astronomy is a hobby of mine and not my main thing, but todays entry really intrigued me because I love the mysterious - especially in our own Universe. And this image is intriguing - yes, because the source of the oddly shaped gas stream- but also because that isn't the only unexplained or mysterious thing in the picture. The link provided in the text talks about the star that SJB mentioned. The link says it's shooting "energetic bullets of high energy particles." Why would a star only be shooting these in only one direction? Is this completely unique to this specific star or has this been observed elsewhere?

And then there is the waterfall structure itself. Are the colors unusual due to gaseous composition or simply because it's pretty? And the source? A nonthermal radio source seems to mean electrons moving very close to the speed of light in a strong magnetic field indicating that whatever this source is it is incredibly powerful. We're talking black hole, galactic center, quasar powerful. These sort of radio waves are found where massive stars have exploded. Oh yeah- something happened here - or is happening here.

The mystery seems to lie in the case of the missing X-rays. Again, I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure we find X-rays in all of those previously mentioned phenomena. But none here. Really? We are talking about electrons practically riding the speed barrier on a strong magnetic current - and nothing of significant force that has been found in the galaxy truly fits the bill. I mean, what other non-thermal radiation occurs around non-X-ray emitting centers? Is there anything comparable?

How likely is it that one of those things could truly be existing without X-ray emission? And what makes this environment so unique that X-rays wouldn't be emitted around this non-thermal source where everywhere else they seem to be found? I think the most interesting aspect about this picture is the alleged source from the text in the image. It's clearly the brightest spot of the waterfall. It almost seems that the waterfall flows out of both sides of this origin. This radio-source is seemingly the origin of the waterfall.

Finally - at the bottom of the waterfall - is that gas from the waterfall meeting with the highly energized "bullet" electrons from the star 1500 light years away? Because that is just super sweet. This image is awesome.

by **thinker** » Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:20 am

Some of the Astronomy mysteries, at risk of sounding "sci -fi"....cause me to wonder if a time warp is involved. The Waterfall being one.

by **Ann** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 8:43 am

One of my own favorite "weird structures" is a background galaxy that appears in the field of M51 and its companion galaxy, NGC 5195. The galaxy I refer to can be seen in this picture by Adam Block. The galaxy is located "straight below" NGC 5195 in this image. The galaxy looks like a "blue handlebar inside a bubble".

Ann

by **Beyond** » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:23 pm

Ann wrote:One of my own favorite "weird structures" is a background galaxy that appears in the field of M51 and its companion galaxy, NGC 5195. The galaxy I refer to can be seen in this picture by Adam Block. The galaxy is located "straight below" NGC 5195 in this image. The galaxy looks like a "blue handlebar inside a bubble".

Ann

Hmm... on my screen it looks more like a white dog bone(a little bigger on both ends)no blue at all.

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