gpobserver wrote: I've had discussions with AGW true believers before. It is usually not a long wait before the ad hominem attacks are directed to me in response to my expressions of doubt.
Emotions do creep in, on both sides.
gpo wrote: Malaria wouldn't be such a problem if the ban on DDT was eliminated. 30 to 40 million people are dead because of some unfounded fear of harm to birds. Thank you, Rachel Carson.
They are dead because, in my personal opinion totally unrelated to astronomy, the 'developed' world can't afford a huge Black population, and because, like here, the wealthy Africans black or white aren't wealthy because they share their wealth as much as they could do.
There are great alternatives to DDT; and if it comes down to Caucasians in North Americans or Europe dead through DDT induced cancer, or Black Africans dead through malaria, which is it going to be? And what do you have against birds?
Birds are nice .. they sing nice songs .. they provide colour .. they inspire dreams of flight.
That's news to me. I am aware there is a little reclamation going on in the Sahel, at the boundary of the Sahara, through investment in wells, vegetation planting, etc. I agree about computer models regardless of application, they are probably deeply flawed.
Gpo wrote: Affluence provides the wealth to respond to emergencies and changing conditions.
When it's advantageous to the wealthy. In New Orleans after the flood, poor or non-poor blacks out for a stroll were the target of indiscriminate murder by Caucasians wealthy enough to afford guns.
Gpo wrote:Do you want a great reduction in the human population of the earth by dramatic means?
No. You didn't read my post in which I said the U.N. said the planet could sustain a healthy population of 40 billion? There is no great reduction needed, except that the vast majority of the wealthy would lose their status by real sharing, by paying employees their value, for instance, but then, that would be called Communism, wouldn't it?
Gpo wrote:We should all live 'close to nature' doing intensive agriculture? That's what Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge tried to do in Cambodia."
What's wrong with intensive agriculture? What do we really know about what on in Cambodia? Propaganda is so full
of outright lies. Don't forget that the Russians were said to be a bunch of illiterate potato farmers before Sputnik went up. I get the view that Cambodia was a successful agrarian society which was destroyed by civil war set up by the U.S. military partly to aid their effort in Vietnam, and partly just to destroy another socialist government. Propaganda .. if the North Koreans are so illiterate and starved how come they have ICBMs and satellites? Don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. Did you know that Haiti had the highest per capita income under the Black government established by the revolution which kicked the French out, until the U.S. military invaded and destroyed (cut down all the trees for instance) that country because it could become a haven for runaway slaves? Listen, I'm not knocking the people of the U.S. anymore than I knock our Canadians .. our trans Canada railroad meant near genocide and infanticide for our natives on the prairies .. none of us are guiltless of the deliberate mass murders in our planet's history .. and 'God is on our side' is always printed somewhere on the military equipment.
Gpo wrote: If there is a Creator, he was most wise to put the thermostat so far beyond our reach.
Yes, God is in control, and Righteously so. (Edited as per request)