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APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by APOD Robot » Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:07 am

Image Flame Nebula Close Up

Explanation: Of course, the Flame Nebula is not on fire. Also known as NGC 2024, the nebula's suggestive reddish color is due to the glow of hydrogen atoms at the edge of the giant Orion molecular cloud complex some 1,500 light-years away. The hydrogen atoms have been ionized, or stripped of their electrons, and glow as the atoms and electrons recombine. But what ionizes the hydrogen atoms? In this close-up view, the central dark lane of absorbing interstellar dust stands out in silhouette against the hydrogen glow and actually hides the true source of the Flame Nebula's energy from optical telescopes. Behind the dark lane lies a cluster of hot, young stars, seen at infrared wavelengths through the obscuring dust. A young, massive star in that cluster is the likely source of energetic ultraviolet radiation that ionizes the hydrogen gas in the Flame Nebula.

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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by Ann » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:21 am

That's a very fine image, Adam. It is very well resolved, it shows very intricate patterns of dust, and the colors vary subtly over the face of the nebula. The colors are caused by such things as deeply reddened yellowish light from inside the dusty nebula, red emission nebulosity both from within and from outside (nearby O star Alnitak in Orion's Belt!!), and blue starlight from outside reflected in the dust of the Flame Nebula.

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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by PacRim Jim » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:45 am

I need to nitpick. Every time I see a photo of an object in space that resemble some animal, etc., on earth, it is almost always shown in the same orientation, to facilitate recognition. That misleads young people who need to understand that there is no up or down in space.

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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by Beyond » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:01 am

PacRim Jim - what an interesting name. makes me think of a prospecter looking for gold, or the like.
Anyway, perhaps we should pick on the 'nit' a little more and mention that "WE" only have one view of the things in space. We cannot see behind, or to the left or right, or the top and bottom of anything except in our own solar system where we can send spacecraft out to.
We only have one view of everything -- the side that is faceing us. So we do not know if we are seeing the good side of things, or the bad side of things, if indeed there is a good and bad side to anything in space.
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by owlice » Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:27 am

Did not expect the lament! Oh, the places the APOD takes us!
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by orin stepanek » Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:58 pm

For me; the picture is awesome. Of course; most of APOD's stellar and nebular submissions are. Thanks to all the photographers whose photos are used. :D 8-)
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by neufer » Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:10 pm

APOD Robot wrote:Image Flame Nebula Close Up

Behind the dark lane lies a cluster of hot, young stars, seen at infrared wavelengths through the obscuring dust.
A young, massive star in that cluster is the likely source of energetic ultraviolet radiation that ionizes the hydrogen gas in the Flame Nebula.
http://www.astro.caltech.edu/palomar/flame.html wrote: <<The Flame Nebula, also known as NGC 2024, is a stellar nursery located about 1,500 light years from our solar system. The nebula is a region of star formation that is in the process of forming a star cluster. The Flame Nebula is visible through small telescopes. It is located in the constellation of Orion near the star known as Alnitak, the easternmost star of Orion's Belt.

The image was recorded in three near-infrared wavelengths:
  • "J" centered at 1.250 microns,
    "H" at 1.635 microns, and
    "Ks" at 2.150.
Exposures were 2.5 minutes in each filter.

This near-infrared image reveals the embedded star cluster which is forming inside the nebula. The longer wavelengths (the Ks-band) sees easily through the dust. Redder looking stars in the image are more heavily embedded within the nebula than the bluer stars (many of which are in the foreground). The cluster is thought to be less than one million years old.

WIRC operates at the prime focus (f/3.3) of the Hale Telescope and records a field of view that is 8.49 arc minutes on a side. The camera, developed jointly by Caltech and Cornell University, features a 2048-square Rockwell Hawaii-II NIR detector manufactured by Rockwell Scientific in Camarillo, California.
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:56 pm

PacRim Jim wrote:I need to nitpick. Every time I see a photo of an object in space that resemble some animal, etc., on earth, it is almost always shown in the same orientation, to facilitate recognition. That misleads young people who need to understand that there is no up or down in space.
There is no up or down, but there are certainly preferred orientations. In the case of astronomical images, it is conventional to show them north up, east left. That is the orientation of today's APOD as well.

Of course, this is only a convention, and many imagers break it for one reason or another: with a rectangular sensor, the object might not be properly framed with north up, and some people simply follow personal rules of aesthetics when deciding on the orientation of their images.
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by neufer » Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:47 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
PacRim Jim wrote:
I need to nitpick. Every time I see a photo of an object in space that resemble some animal, etc., on earth, it is almost always shown in the same orientation, to facilitate recognition. That misleads young people who need to understand that there is no up or down in space.
There is no up or down, but there are certainly preferred orientations. In the case of astronomical images, it is conventional to show them north up, east left. That is the orientation of today's APOD as well. Of course, this is only a convention, and many imagers break it for one reason or another: with a rectangular sensor, the object might not be properly framed with north up, and some people simply follow personal rules of aesthetics when deciding on the orientation of their images.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame wrote: <<In 2000, experiments by NASA confirmed that gravity plays an indirect role in flame formation and composition. The common distribution of a flame under normal gravity conditions depends on convection, as soot tends to rise to the top of a flame, making it yellow. In microgravity or zero gravity environment natural convection no longer occurs and the flame becomes spherical, with a tendency to become bluer and more efficient. There are several possible explanations for this difference, of which the most likely is the hypothesis that the temperature is sufficiently evenly distributed that soot is not formed and complete combustion occurs. These discoveries have potential applications in applied science and industry, especially concerning fuel efficiency.>>
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http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2000/ast12may_1/ wrote:
Not Just Another Old Flame
NASA scientists have discovered unexpected spiral-shaped flames on Earth.
May 12, 2000 -- The forms of flames on Earth are familiar to everyone. We all know what a burning match, candle, fireplace or blowtorch look like -- or a burning building, or rocket ignition blast. The presence of gravity and the effects of air or gas movement, plus the type of fuel and oxidant, determine everything from a flame's shape and temperature to burn rate, burn pattern, soot production and deposition and how fast it will or won't be extinguished.

"But in the microgravity of space, we are not dealing with just another old familiar flame," says Dr. Vedha Nayagam of NASA's National Center for Microgravity Research on Fluids and Combustion at the Glenn Research Center (GRC) in Cleveland, OH, where the nature of combustion in space is being studied intently by teams of scientists. "The tall spear-shaped flame on a candle, or the "roaring hearth" look of bonfire-type flames, or the forced-air look of a rocket or furnace flame are very different indeed in the absence of gravity," Dr. Nayagam states. "Soot production, burning rates, completeness of combustion, exhaust products and other characteristics all change radically in space. "The absence of gravity's effects on convection aboard the Space Shuttle, a space station or other space vehicle makes flames behave in ways that can be either beneficial -- as a test bed for research -- or very dangerous in the case of a fire in materials, chemicals or electrical devices. It is vital to know what makes flames start and stop in low gravity, and how flames behave while burning. The safety of NASA's space crews and vehicles can depend on our knowledge of combustion in space."
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Watching the Flame Go 'Round

Recently, Dr. Nayagam and Dr. Forman Williams of the University of California at San Diego, a co-investigator in NASA/GRC's microgravity combustion science program, came upon some startling discoveries about flames on Earth that could help scientists understand how flames behave in microgravity.

Nayagam and Williams ignited a plastic disk a little bigger than a CD with a blowtorch and then spun it slowly (2 to 20 revolutions per second) in still air. They expected to see flames burning as a horizontal disk. Instead, the flame burned in a flat spiral pattern, with the spiral moving in the direction opposite to the disk's spin. As the flames lessened their tips exhibited a strange meandering motion from side to side.

Starting a fire at the center of a still disk is like dropping a stone in a quiet pond, says Nayagam. It produces a flame front that moves outward in a circle, fading as the fuel (the disk) is consumed. If you spin the disk, then the circular disk flames become spiral flames under some conditions.

"Under slow spin conditions ... just before circular flames extinguish, [the flames] break symmetry -- and spirals appear in the center hole of the flames and propagate outwards in a spiral instead of in a circular wave front," he explained. "Spiral burning could be common in the slow, swirling flows that we can establish in a microgravity environment -- but these results were very unexpected in normal Earth gravity," added Dr. Williams. "We plan to explore further what causes the spiral flame pattern, and what causes the tips to follow a [chaotic] meandering path."

Nayagam says it's an advantage to be able to generate these flames in the lab under normal gravity, where it is easier and less expensive to study them than on the Space Shuttle. The investigators plan to conduct further tests with spiral flames on board the Johnson Space Flight Center's KC-135, which can create brief microgravity conditions in parabolic flight.
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Why Set A Spinning Disk On Fire? (Spirals, Spirals, everywhere....)

There are many spiral forms in nature, both on Earth and in space. Spirals occur in physical forms such as DNA and the shell formation of mollusks such as the conch and chambered nautilus. They also occur in wind patterns, including hurricanes and tornadoes. They are present in air and flame forms known as vortexes and whorls. And they occur in the way things fall in the atmosphere, from leaves to aircraft. In the human body, the spiral pattern of the heart's bioelectric impulses causes the chambers to beat with a spiral pulsing rhythm. Brain waves, comprised of neuron impulses, seem to flow along the neurons and down the spinal cord in a spiral pattern. Some evidence shows bioelectrical spiraling in the labor impulses during birth. Finally, we see spiral forms omnipresent throughout the visible and invisible universe, in galaxies, accretion disks around black holes, coalescing interstellar clouds and many other forms of matter and energy.
"We need to discover how and why flames propagate in microgravity, and under what conditions flame propagation changes. Hopefully the studies will also explain turbulent combustion, as the swirling flow is vital to understanding the phenomenon called fire whorl," says Dr. Nayagam.

"Understanding these surprising phenomenon may enable scientists to predict flame extinction and to help mitigate fire risks on Earth and in microgravity," states Dr. Nayagam. "The initial and on-going basic reason for NASA's combustion studies is to learn about spacecraft fire safety. We need to answer questions such as: what is the worst condition for fire in a microgravity environment, and under what conditions a fire will increase its burn rate or be extinguished. Our goals include learning under what conditions materials in a spacecraft will or won't support fire."

"The bottom line," Dr. Nayagam says, "is that this simple system of flames on a spinning disk under variable controlled conditions illustrates more complex systems on Earth, in spacecraft, and in the human body."
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Post by Ann » Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:45 pm

Thanks, Art, hugely interesting, if a bit formal (some of it). Can you tell me, in only a few words, what a flame really is?

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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by neufer » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:20 pm

Ann wrote:
Thanks, Art, hugely interesting, if a bit formal (some of it).

Can you tell me, in only a few words, what a flame really is?
A flame is the visible gaseous part of a fire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame wrote: <<A flame (from Latin flamma) is the visible (light-emitting) gaseous part of a fire. It is caused by a highly exothermic reaction (for example, combustion, a self-sustaining oxidation reaction) taking place in a thin zone. If a fire is hot enough to ionize the gaseous components, it can become a plasma.

Color and temperature of a flame are dependent on the type of fuel involved in the combustion, as, for example, when a lighter is held to a candle. The applied heat causes the fuel molecules in the candle wick to vaporize. In this state they can then readily react with oxygen in the air, which gives off enough heat in the subsequent exothermic reaction to vaporize yet more fuel, thus sustaining a consistent flame. The high temperature of the flame tears apart the vaporized fuel molecules, forming various incomplete combustion products and free radicals, and these products then react with each other and with the oxidizer involved in the reaction. Sufficient energy in the flame will excite the electrons in some of the transient reaction intermediates such as CH and C2, which results in the emission of visible light as these substances release their excess energy (see spectrum below for an explanation of which specific radical species produce which specific colors). As the combustion temperature of a flame increases (if the flame contains small particles of unburnt carbon or other material), so does the average energy of the electromagnetic radiation given off by the flame.

Other oxidizers besides oxygen can be used to produce a flame. Hydrogen burning in chlorine produces a flame and in the process emits gaseous hydrogen chloride (HCl) as the combustion product. Another of many possible chemical combinations is hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide which is hypergolic and commonly used in rocket engines. Fluoropolymers can be used to supply fluorine as an oxidizer of metallic fuels, e.g. in the magnesium/teflon/viton composition.

The chemical kinetics occurring in the flame are very complex and involves typically a large number of chemical reactions and intermediate species, most of them radicals. For instance, a well-known chemical kinetics scheme, GRI-Mech, uses 53 species and 325 elementary reactions to describe combustion of biogas.

There are different methods of distributing the required components of combustion to a flame. In a diffusion flame, oxygen and fuel diffuse into each other; where they meet the flame occurs. In a premixed flame, the oxygen and fuel are premixed beforehand, which results in a different type of flame. Candle flames (a diffusion flame) operate through evaporation of the fuel which rises in a laminar flow of hot gas which then mixes with surrounding oxygen and combusts.>>
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Post by orin stepanek » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:26 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: There is no up or down, but there are certainly preferred orientations. In the case of astronomical images, it is conventional to show them north up, east left. That is the orientation of today's APOD as well.
Chris; when I face North; East is to my right. Why wouldn't East be to the right in astronomical images?
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by neufer » Fri Nov 26, 2010 8:31 pm

orin stepanek wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
There is no up or down, but there are certainly preferred orientations.

In the case of astronomical images, it is conventional to show them north up, east left. That is the orientation of today's APOD as well.
Chris; when I face North; East is to my right. Why wouldn't East be to the right in astronomical images?
When you face South; north (i.e., towards Polaris) is up, and east is left.
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:01 am

orin stepanek wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote: There is no up or down, but there are certainly preferred orientations. In the case of astronomical images, it is conventional to show them north up, east left. That is the orientation of today's APOD as well.
Chris; when I face North; East is to my right. Why wouldn't East be to the right in astronomical images?
When you look at a map of an area of the Earth, you are looking down onto the outside of a sphere, and if north is up, east will be to the right. But when you look at a map (or image) of the sky, you are looking up at the inside of a sphere, and if north is up, east will be to the left.

Another way to visualize this is to lay on your back, looking up with your head pointing north. From this viewpoint, north is up and east is to your left.
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by orin stepanek » Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:33 am

Thanks; Art and Chris! I can see more clearly Now. :D
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by jman » Sat Nov 27, 2010 7:55 pm

Different Flame Types:
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Re: APOD: Flame Nebula Close Up (2010 Nov 26)

Post by PJC ANGLO » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:43 pm

If you look closely at the Flame Nebula close up you will see a dancing bear. Is it time for a re-name.lol

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