APOD: Apollo 17 VIP Site Anaglyph (2014 Mar 15)

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APOD: Apollo 17 VIP Site Anaglyph (2014 Mar 15)

Post by APOD Robot » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:05 am

Image Apollo 17 VIP Site Anaglyph

Explanation: Get out your red/blue glasses and check out this stereo scene from Taurus-Littrow valley on the Moon! The color anaglyph features a detailed 3D view of Apollo 17's Lunar Rover in the foreground -- behind it lies the Lunar Module and distant lunar hills. Because the world was going to be able to watch the Lunar Module's ascent stage liftoff via the rover's TV camera, this parking place was also known as the VIP Site. In December of 1972, Apollo 17 astronauts Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt spent about 75 hours on the Moon, while colleague Ronald Evans orbited overhead. The crew returned with 110 kilograms of rock and soil samples, more than from any of the other lunar landing sites. Cernan and Schmitt are still the last to walk (or drive) on the Moon.

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Post by Boomer12k » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:15 am

Oh, cool....more 3d!!!!!

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Post by ta152h0 » Sat Mar 15, 2014 5:27 am

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Re: APOD: Apollo 17 VIP Site Anaglyph (2014 Mar 15)

Post by randall macdonald » Sat Mar 15, 2014 6:50 am

Is it possible to post left-eye/right-eye photo links (either crosseyed or wide-eyed) whenever a red/blue anaglyph is posted? Often I watch 3d movies in left-eye/right-eye videos.

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Post by Milky Waster » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:43 am

From an astrological perspective, Harrison Schmitt, as a Cancer born July 3rd, 1935, is the only human so far to set foot on his ruling planet - the Moon.

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Post by Nitpicker » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:27 am

Following the last link in the caption, led me to this one:
... which is another great anaglyph. Superb!

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Post by JohnD » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:44 am

Milky Waster wrote:From an astrological perspective, Harrison Schmitt, as a Cancer born July 3rd, 1935, is the only human so far to set foot on his ruling planet - the Moon.
First, the Moon is not a planet.
Then, why do you, apparently an astrologer, come to an astronomer's messageboard, if not to proslytise?
I fear your words will fall on stony ground, as bare, stony and infertile as the Taurus-Littrow valley.
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Post by Gary S » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:26 pm

Unfortunately, it looks like you could only see this in 3D if you looked at it SIDEWAYS!
Notice that the red/green parts are separated vertically. Could someone create the more reasonable version for normal viewing?

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Post by rstevenson » Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:55 pm

Gary S wrote:Unfortunately, it looks like you could only see this in 3D if you looked at it SIDEWAYS!
Notice that the red/green parts are separated vertically. Could someone create the more reasonable version for normal viewing?
I had no trouble viewing either of these images in their as-shown orientation, using my standard red-blue glasses.

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:42 pm

rstevenson wrote:
Gary S wrote:Unfortunately, it looks like you could only see this in 3D if you looked at it SIDEWAYS!
Notice that the red/green parts are separated vertically. Could someone create the more reasonable version for normal viewing?
I had no trouble viewing either of these images in their as-shown orientation, using my standard red-blue glasses.
I could see it fine, but I think there might be some minor scaling issues between the two frames.

For those preferring a crossed-eye stereo pair, here's today's image with the channels separated:
moon_split.jpg
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Re: APOD: Apollo 17 VIP Site Anaglyph (2014 Mar 15)

Post by therm » Sat Mar 15, 2014 7:18 pm

I had lots of trouble focusing on the image, particularly the left side. The one posted by Nitpicker is fine.

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Post by LocalColor » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:48 pm

Last evening we were reading through the various theories of how the moon was formed, so seeing this image today was very special. Thank you APOD for bringing us another piece of our astronomy history!

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Post by randall macdonald » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:16 am

Chris Peterson wrote:For those preferring a crossed-eye stereo pair, here's today's image with the channels separated:
Thanks, Chris. Great images.

Problem: how is it possible that the rover had no license plates, no headlights or tail lights, no wind shield, no horn? That thing sure isn't street legal now, is it? NASA spent millions of dollars making that and they forgot all those things? It seems to me that, since they left it parked there, not only will they get ticketed for all those problems, but they sure are over-parked!

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Post by FloridaMike » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:07 pm

JohnD wrote:
Milky Waster wrote:From an astrological perspective, Harrison Schmitt, as a Cancer born July 3rd, 1935, is the only human so far to set foot on his ruling planet - the Moon.
First, the Moon is not a planet.
Then, why do you, apparently an astrologer, come to an astronomer's messageboard, if not to proslytise?
I fear your words will fall on stony ground, as bare, stony and infertile as the Taurus-Littrow valley.
John

Overreact much John?
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Post by Anthony Barreiro » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:58 pm

JohnD wrote:
Milky Waster wrote:From an astrological perspective, Harrison Schmitt, as a Cancer born July 3rd, 1935, is the only human so far to set foot on his ruling planet - the Moon.
First, the Moon is not a planet.
The same word can have more than one meaning.

The original meaning of "planet", "wanderer" from the Greek, is a celestial object that appears to move against the background of the fixed stars. By this definition, the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn are the planets that have been known since antiquity. After Copernicus and Kepler worked out the orbits of Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn around the Sun, and Galileo observed moons orbiting Jupiter, planets (including Earth) orbiting the Sun were distinguished from moons orbiting planets. There have been further tweaks after it was figured out that comets are orbiting the Sun rather than being atmospheric phenomena, after the discovery of asteroids, and after the discovery of Kuiper belt objects. Now that we're finding planets orbiting other Suns, and things that look like planets in interstellar space, the definition of "planet" is under new strain and will probably have to be elaborated again.

As our understanding of the universe grows, we need to develop our language. But it's also helpful to remember the history of our words, as they hold the story of our understanding.
Then, why do you, apparently an astrologer, come to an astronomer's messageboard, if not to proslytise?
I fear your words will fall on stony ground, as bare, stony and infertile as the Taurus-Littrow valley.
John
When I'm doing public outreach and somebody says something astrological, I don't spit venom and condemn them as a proselytizing heretic. I try to find a connection between what they're talking about and current scientific understanding. In this case, I might talk about the different meanings of the word "planet." I find you can interest more people in astronomy by understanding where they're at and teaching them something new than by telling them they're wrong, stupid, and evil. That's just my experience, yours may be different.
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Post by ta152h0 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:17 pm

When New Horizons arrive at Pluto, they may reconsider classifying it as a planet. One can only wish and hope
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Post by Anthony Barreiro » Mon Mar 17, 2014 10:33 pm

ta152h0 wrote:When New Horizons arrive at Pluto, they may reconsider classifying it as a planet. One can only wish and hope
Pluto is a planet. Pluto -- along with Ceres, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris -- is a dwarf planet.
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Post by ta152h0 » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:25 pm

we shall see !!!!
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Post by Nitpicker » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:46 pm

The current IAU classifications show Planets and Dwarf Planets as separate and distinct classes:

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet

and the graphic within: New Horizons will hopefully discover all sorts of interesting things about Pluto, but it will not discover that Pluto has "cleared the neighbourhood" around its orbit, because we can tell from Earth that it hasn't. Hence it fails the IAU's third criterion for a Planet.

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Post by geckzilla » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:33 am

They used Comic Sans for that graphic so it's invalid.
Just call me "geck" because "zilla" is like a last name.

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Post by Nitpicker » Tue Mar 18, 2014 3:51 am

Yeah, it should have been on a black background, too, to look like space.

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Post by geckzilla » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:19 am

It seems kind of strange that for a dwarf planet and a planet one is a planet while the other is not. It's like saying this is a cheese pizza and that is a pepperoni pizza but only the pepperoni pizza is a pizza. Understanding the concept being conveyed, however, it is clear that our vocabulary is limiting us in trying to describe these worlds.
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Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:25 am

geckzilla wrote:It seems kind of strange that for a dwarf planet and a planet one is a planet while the other is not. It's like saying this is a cheese pizza and that is a pepperoni pizza but only the pepperoni pizza is a pizza. Understanding the concept being conveyed, however, it is clear that our vocabulary is limiting us in trying to describe these worlds.
Indeed. The mistake the IAU made was in trying to narrow down the definition, when what was really required was a broader, more general definition and a wide set of qualifiers, which could be fairly rigorously defined. What we have now is clearly illogical, and not applicable at all to extrasolar planets, which are by far the largest category of planets we know about.
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Post by Nitpicker » Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:47 am

A bit like how Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc, are not considered to be Americans.

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Post by geckzilla » Tue Mar 18, 2014 5:09 am

Nitpicker wrote:A bit like how Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, etc, are not considered to be Americans.
Hey, we can't help it that United States citizen is such an awkward and long descriptor so that we have to monopolize the "American" adjective.
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