APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

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APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by APOD Robot » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:06 am

Image Kona Galaxy Garden

Explanation: How does your galaxy grow? Quite contrary to a typical galaxy, this one needs water to flourish. Pictured above as it appears at the Paleaku Peace Gardens Sanctuary in Kona, Hawaii, USA, a meticulously planned garden spanning about 30 meters provides a relatively accurate map of our Milky Way Galaxy. Different plants depict stars, globular clusters, and even nebulas. Many bright stars visible in Earth's night sky are depicted on leaves surrounding the marked location of the Sun. Plant rows were placed to represent arms of our Galaxy, including the Sun's Orion Arm, the impressive Sagittarius Arm, and the little discussed Norma Arm. A small bar runs through our Galaxy's center, while a fountain has been built to represent the central black hole. What a stellar use of space!

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Post by KellanMarr » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:45 am

Do I also see our two satellite galaxies depicted?

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Post by skippy » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:33 am

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Something more Astronomical-Santa maria crater on Mars

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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by JohnD » Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:39 pm

For those of us less horticulturally or astronomically informed, where is the Sun in the garden?
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Post by Indigo_Sunrise » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:37 pm

JohnD wrote:For those of us less horticulturally or astronomically informed, where is the Sun in the garden?
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I like to think I'm semi-horticulturally and quasi-astronomically informed, but I'm having difficulty locating the sun, also.


Oh, and this image ROCKS!!!!!
(Now I'm thinking of attempting something like this in my garden(s)).......

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Post by owlice » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:58 pm

The sun and neighborhood: That image is on this page: http://www.galaxygarden.net/tour.html
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Post by buddyrowboat » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:06 pm

I like the "little discussed" link that leads you to a picture of Abbott and Costello but wish there was an actual link for the Norma Arm.

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Post by bystander » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:16 pm

buddyrowboat wrote:I like the "little discussed" link that leads you to a picture of Abbott and Costello but wish there was an actual link for the Norma Arm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norma_Arm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way#Spiral_arms
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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by Indigo_Sunrise » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:30 pm

owlice wrote:The sun and neighborhood: That image is on this page: http://www.galaxygarden.net/tour.html


Many many thanks, owlice!

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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by neufer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:19 pm

buddyrowboat wrote:I like the "little discussed" link that leads you to a picture of Abbott and Costello.
I have just noticed recently that the APOD links seem to include one comedy relief link.

So:
  • 1) Is there always one and only one comedy relief link?
    2) How long has this sort of thing been going on?
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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by Sam » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:20 pm

owlice wrote:The sun and neighborhood: That image is on this page: http://www.galaxygarden.net/tour.html
I love how the stars in this image are actually little jewel earings attached to the leaves. Quite a feat keeping track of where they are.
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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by neufer » Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:37 pm

It should be noted that on a scale of one foot = 1000 light years
the "edge of the observable universe" is 9000 miles away :!:

(which is about as far away [air mileage wise] as one can get from the Kona Galaxy Garden).
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Post by starswarm magellan » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:32 pm

Also, if you smoke that Maui Wowee the Kona galaxy will spin and sparkle. Recommended for professional scientific researchers only. Don't try at home.

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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by nstahl » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:36 pm

It strikes me a sector of it should be kind of, ahem, nebulous, to represent the part obscured from us by the center.

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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by JohnD » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:44 pm

Owlice,
Gosh! That picture, of a few leaves that represent our local space really bring home our insignificance in the Galaxy.

But Sam, there aren't really any objects to mark our local 'landmarks' - that pic has dots Photoshopped on it. When you think about it, on this scale an earring would reach halfway to Sirius, nearly nine light years away!

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Post by Sam » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:17 pm

JohnD wrote:But Sam, there aren't really any objects to mark our local 'landmarks' - that pic has dots Photoshopped on it. When you think about it, on this scale an earring would reach halfway to Sirius, nearly nine light years away!
http://www.galaxygarden.net/mapping.html wrote:A small yellow crystal earring shows the position of our Earth and Sun, though our solar system is actually 1,000 times smaller than the jewel. Nearby bright stars are also shown with different colored jewels.
Perhaps I'm taking that too literally--does anyone know if Photoshop has a "small crystal earing" button?
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Post by rstevenson » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:27 pm

The original image poster probably has the Small Crystal Earring plug-in installed.

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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by biddie67 » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:39 pm

Thank goodness we (i.e., our little solar system) doesn't shift around in proportion to how the wind can blow those leaves around .....

Owlice - Thanks for the little closeup picture!

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Post by Wolf kotenberg » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:21 pm

May i suggest NASA sent some dinamite to mars in a rover and do some in the dirt exploring while observing close by with the rover ? So what if the thing goes kablooye all at once. it would be fun, like a kid with a shovel discovering that ants live underground too.

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Post by orin stepanek » Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:23 pm

Pretty awesome project! 8-) The galaxy garden must have taken a lot of planning. :)
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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by neufer » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:12 am

  • ------------------------------------------------------
    HAMLET: 'tis an unweeded garden, that grows to seed;
    __ things rank and gross in nature possess it merely.
    ..................................................
    First Clown: Come, my spade. There is no ancient
    __ gentleman but gardeners, ditchers, and grave-makers:
    __ they hold up Adam's profession.
    ------------------------------------------------------
    ____ King Henry VI, part II

    CADE: And Adam was a gardener.

    WILLIAM STAFFORD: And what of that?
    ..............................................
    IDEN: Is't not enough to break into my garden,
    __ And, like a thief, to come to rob my grounds,
    __ Climbing my walls in spite of me the owner?
    ..............................................
    QUEEN MARGARET: Now 'tis the spring, and weeds are shallow-rooted;
    __ Suffer them now, and they'll o'ergrow the garden
    __ And choke the herbs for want of husbandry.
    ..............................................
    CADE: Wither, garden; and be henceforth a
    __ burying-place to all that do dwell in this house,
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    _________ The Winter's Tale

    POLIXENES: Then make your garden rich in gillyvors,
    __ And do not call them bastards.

    PERDITA: I'll not put
    __ The dibble in earth to set one slip of them;
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Re: APOD: Kona Galaxy Garden (2011 Jan 18)

Post by FrankTKO » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:51 am

Did you notice the little pieces of bushes (arms), on the lower left and on the right, detached from the overall structure of the galaxy, do these actually exists?

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Post by DavidLeodis » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:59 am

buddyrowboat wrote:I like the "little discussed" link that leads you to a picture of Abbott and Costello but wish there was an actual link for the Norma Arm.
I've just viewed this APOD for the first time and that link brings up a Laurel and Hardy photo! The link must presumably have been changed at some stage for whatever reason. :)

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Post by neufer » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:15 pm

FrankTKO wrote:
Did you notice the little pieces of bushes (arms), on the lower left and on the right, detached from the overall structure of the galaxy, do these actually exists?
[img3="This map of the galaxy is based on the work of astronomer Leo Blitz of UC Berkeley, who discovered the "bar" in the Milky Way's center. Blitz, along with National Air and Space Museum astronomer Jeff Goldstein, helped guide Jon Lomberg in mapping the galaxy for the NASM painting, "Portrait of The Milky Way". Dr. Blitz has since updated his maps of spiral structure to reflect the current best radio maps of hydrogen."]http://www.galaxygarden.net/images/gg_map_450.jpg[/img3]
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Post by neufer » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:27 pm

http://www.galaxygarden.net/mapping.html wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
<<Urban transit maps are wonderful tools: they are guides to traveling, they serve as mechanisms for distilling and abstracting a city down to a set of linkages and interconnections, and they are beautiful. The first 'modern' subway map is London's Tube Map, designed by Harry Beck. Since then, many cities have based their transit system map designs on its spare and elegant layout, such as Boston, New York, and Amsterdam.

In addition, these maps have been used to understand other, more idea-based, inter-relationships, such as modern music, creative and important people in history, web trends,and even the locations of all the subways in the world.

Here, I have attempted to do the same thing for our galaxy, the Milky Way. Our galaxy is unimaginably vast, and we really have no idea what is out there. We are discovering new planets in other star systems all the time, learning new facts about the galactic core, and even learning about whole new portions of the galaxy. This map is an attempt to approach our galaxy with a bit more familiarity than usual and get people thinking about long-term possibilities in outer space. Hopefully it can provide as a useful shorthand for our place in the Milky Way, the 'important' sights, and make inconceivable distances a bit less daunting. And while convenient interstellar travel is nothing more than a murky dream, and might always be that way, there is power in creating tools for beginning to wrap our minds around the interconnections of our galactic neighborhood.

I have attempted to actually make this map as accurate as possible, where each line corresponds to an arm of our galaxy, and the stations are actual places in their proper locations. However, I am not an astronomer or astrophysicist, so there are certainly inaccuracies, gaps, and room for improvement. If you have a suggestion, comment, or criticism, please to do not hesitate to contact me by emailing arbesman at gmail dot com.>>
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