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NS: Largest structure challenges Einstein's smooth cosmos

Post by bystander » Sat Jan 12, 2013 8:30 pm

Largest structure challenges Einstein's smooth cosmos
New Scientist | Jacob Aron | 2013 Jan 11
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A collection of galaxies that is a whopping four billion light years long is the biggest cosmic structure ever seen. The group is roughly one-twentieth the diameter of the observable universe – big enough to challenge a principle dating back to Einstein, that, on large scales, the universe looks the same in every direction.

Roger Clowes of the University of Central Lancashire in Preston, UK, and colleagues discovered the structure using data from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey, the most comprehensive 3D map of the universe. They identified a cluster of 73 quasars, the brightly glowing cores found at the centre of some galaxies, far larger than any similar structure seen before.

Since 1982 astronomers have known that quasars tend to clump together in large quasar groups, or LQGs. "We look for quasars that have a certain separation from the next nearest quasar," says Clowes.

The newly discovered, and appropriately named, Huge-LQG (see black circles in image) happens to be in the same region of the sky as one of the earliest known quasar clusters, which Clowes helped find in 1991. That group contains 34 quasars and measures roughly one billion light years across (red crosses), so it is dwarfed by Huge-LQG.

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The discovery of Huge-LQG joins a collection of observations that seem to challenge the cosmological status quo. When Albert Einstein first applied his theory of general relativity to the universe as a whole, to make the calculations workable, he was forced to assume that one large part looks much like any other large part. This became known as the cosmological principle.

Still, a question remained: how large is a large part?

"As time went on, people did more and more surveys," says Clowes. "Each time they found structures the size of the new survey, and you began to wonder when it would all stop."

Previous calculations gave a value of one billion light years as the maximum possible size of a cluster. The 1991 LQG is at this supposed limit, but Huge-LQG smashes right through it. The researchers say this could undermine the cosmological principle, although it may simply mean that we need to revise upwards the size limit on large structures.

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But other evidence, such as a controversial "stream" of galaxies that seem to be moving in the same direction, dubbed dark flow, is also poking holes in the uniformity of the universe.

The search for such large structures is key to furthering our understanding of the universe and creating new and improved cosmological models, says Subir Sarkar of the University of Oxford. "All of this suggests there is structure on scales at which the universe is supposed to be boring," he says.

But the cosmological principle is so ingrained that it is hard for researchers to shake. "People are maybe understandably reluctant to give up the thing, because it will make cosmology too bloody complicated," says Sarkar.

A structure in the early universe at z ~ 1.3 that exceeds the homogeneity scale of the R-W concordance cosmology - Roger G. Clowes et al
The Largest Structure in the Universe
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http://mnras.oxfordjournals.org/content ... ts497.full
http://www.uclan.ac.uk/news/uclan_team_ ... iverse.php

Four billion light years???!

Wonder why the quasars are all moving in the same direction. Seems a bit odd.

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isn't this newsworthy to be featured on APOD ? can't wait for captain's take on this :!:

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Post by geckzilla » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:22 pm

Is there a picture of the actual quasars somewhere? Graph APODs tend to be duds...
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Post by neufer » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:48 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Is there a picture of the actual quasars somewhere?
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Post by bystander » Sun Feb 03, 2013 3:54 pm

The image used to illustrate the ScienceShot and UCLan articles above can be found at ESO in another article about the most distant quasar (eso1122), however, it is just an illustration.
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Post by geckzilla » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:34 pm

Yeah, seems to be just a filler image. It's related but not a representation of a quasar group. Maybe Hubble will look at it sometime.
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Post by ritwik » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:07 pm

WOW !! i found a way to get REAL picture !!! :D

Here is the paper uploaded by Roger c clowes about this discovery on arxiv, scroll down to 3rd page where you see list of all the 73 quasars which make up the HUGE LQG cluster

note down the RA/Dec of quasar(s)

then head on to SDSS server and put in the cordinates ,hit OK, there you go !!

zoomed out view first quasar

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second quasar
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3rd quasar close up
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73rd quasar http://skyserver.sdss3.org/dr9/en/tools ... 7.99964389

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Post by ritwik » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:23 pm

another one circulating
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This image shows the Huge-LQG in the constellation Leo, white crosses mark the positions of quasars
(Roger G. Clowes et al / Centre de Données astronomiques de Strasbourg / SIMBAD)

http://www.sci-news.com/astronomy/article00818.html

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Post by geckzilla » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:01 pm

Oh... they aren't much to look at, are they?
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Post by bystander » Mon Feb 04, 2013 9:19 pm

geckzilla wrote:Oh... they aren't much to look at, are they?
No, they are too far away, but they show active galactic nuclei so their grouping shows structure in the early universe.
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Post by ritwik » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:17 pm

i have made a .kmz file (google sky) of all 73 quasars with details

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you can download it here https://sites.google.com/site/90124x/hu ... ects=0&d=1

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i think this groundbreaking discovery hasn't gotten much media coverage .. :x

it will take atleast a decade for this discovery to filter into the mind of people to actually accept it as a fact and to start thinking along that line.. :x
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Post by geckzilla » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:26 pm

Maybe it is, but APOD and Asterisk aren't the places to challenge the cosmological principles. There are simply very few here who could even debate the matter appropriately.
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Post by ritwik » Mon Feb 04, 2013 10:34 pm

its not a big deal ..homogenity is simple concept you dont need phd or whatever, i mean astronomy is not reserved for a clique of physicists ..these are the basic quesions and every human being should be concerned with this ...i wish carl sagan was alive today :( :(

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Large quasar group (LQG) as imaged by the Big Throughput Camera at the Cerro Tololo Inter-American Observatory in Chile (Photo: Chris Haines)

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Re: NS: Largest structure challenges Einstein's smooth cosmo

Post by saturno2 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:49 pm

geckzilla wrote:Maybe it is, but APOD and Asterisk aren't the places to challenge the cosmological principles. There are simply very few here who could even debate the matter appropriately.
I think different, very different. Indeed.

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