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Earth-sized planets in habitable zones are common

Post by Doum » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:18 am

And with so much planet near by (according to this news), we may have good news soon. :ssmile:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 152047.htm
..."We now estimate that if we were to look at 10 of the nearest small stars we would find about four potentially habitable planets, give or take," said Ravi Kopparapu, a post-doctoral researcher in geosciences. "That is a conservative estimate," he added. "There could be more."...

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Earth-sized planets in habitable zones are more common than previously thought
Penn State University | Anne Danahy | 2013 Mar 12
[img3="The graphic shows optimistic and conservative habitable zone boundaries around cool, low mass stars. The numbers indicate the names of known Kepler planet candidates. Yellow color represents candidates with less than 1.4 times Earth-radius. Green color represents planet candidates between 1.4 and 2 Earth radius. Planets with "+" are not in the habitable zone. (Credit: Penn State)"]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8096/8551 ... 3a9b_h.jpg[/img3]
The number of potentially habitable planets is greater than previously thought, according to a new analysis by a Penn State researcher, and some of those planets are likely lurking around nearby stars.

"We now estimate that if we were to look at 10 of the nearest small stars we would find about four potentially habitable planets, give or take," said Ravi Kopparapu, a post-doctoral researcher in geosciences. "That is a conservative estimate," he added. "There could be more."

Kopparapu detailed his findings in a paper accepted for publication in Astrophysical Journal Letters. In it, he recalculated the commonness of Earth-sized planets in the habitable zones of low-mass stars, also known as cool stars or M-dwarfs.

Scientists focus on M-dwarfs for several reasons, he explained. The orbit of planets around M-dwarfs is very short, which allows scientists to gather data on a greater number of orbits in a shorter period of time than can be gathered on Sun-like stars, which have larger habitable zones. M-dwarfs are also more common than stars like the Earth's Sun, which means more of them can be observed.

According to his findings, "The average distance to the nearest potentially habitable planet is about seven light years. That is about half the distance of previous estimates," Kopparapu said. "There are about eight cool stars within 10 light-years, so conservatively, we should expect to find about three Earth-size planets in the habitable zones."

The work follows up on a recent study by researchers at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics which analyzed 3,987 M-dwarf stars to calculate the number of Earth-sized planet candidates in cool stars' habitable zones—a region around a star where rocky planets are capable of sustaining liquid water and therefore life. That study used habitable zone limits calculated in 1993 by Jim Kasting, now an Evan Pugh Professor in Penn State's Department of Geosciences. Kopparapu noticed that its findings, based on data from NASA's Kepler satellite, didn't reflect the most recent estimates for determining whether planets fall within a habitable zone.

These newer estimates are based on an updated model developed by Kopparapu and collaborators, using information on water and carbon dioxide absorption that was not available in 1993. Kopparapu applied those findings to the Harvard team's study, using the same calculation method, and found that there are additional planets in the newly determined habitable zones.

"I used our new habitable zone calculations and found that there are nearly three times as many Earth-sized planets in the habitable zones around these low mass stars as in previous estimates," Kopparapu said. "This means Earth-sized planets are more common than we thought, and that is a good sign for detecting extraterrestrial life."

A revised estimate of the occurrence rate of terrestrial planets in the habitable zones around kepler m-dwarfs - Ravi kumar Kopparapu
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Re: Earth-sized planets in habitable zones are common

Post by Ann » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:53 am

The only star that we know to be orbited by an eminently habitable planet is a star of spectral class G2. So when astronomers look for more stars with habitable planets, they concentrate on stars of spectral class M. Why? Well, because habitable planets are easier to find if they are in orbit around an M-class star.
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It reminds me of an old story, where a man was searching frantically on the ground below the light of a street lamp. A bystander asked him what he was looking for. The man answered: "My keys!" The bystander: "Did you drop them here?" The man: "No, over there!" The bystander: "If you dropped them over there, why are you searching for them here?" The man: "It's so dark where I dropped them, I can't find them there!"

I'm certainly not saying that M-class stars can't host habitable planets. Still, I repeat the objection that I've made many times before. M-class stars far outnumber G-class stars. If M-type and G-type stars are equally likely to host habitable planets, then, statistically, we should have been in orbit around an M-class star.

Imagine that someone was selling lottery tickets, eighty red ones and five yellow ones. One out of five red lottery tickets is a winning ticket, and one of five yellow tickets is a winning ticket. So there are twenty red winning tickets and one yellow winning ticket.

Suppose you got a winning ticket. What color is it likely to be?

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Re: Earth-sized planets in habitable zones are common

Post by rstevenson » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:44 am

Ann wrote:... M-class stars far outnumber G-class stars. If M-type and G-type stars are equally likely to host habitable planets, then, statistically, we should have been in orbit around an M-class star.
Sorry Ann, but you can't argue "statisically" from a sample of one. We are in orbit around a G2 star, whether that's likely or not.

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Post by Ann » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:39 pm

rstevenson wrote:
Ann wrote:... M-class stars far outnumber G-class stars. If M-type and G-type stars are equally likely to host habitable planets, then, statistically, we should have been in orbit around an M-class star.
Sorry Ann, but you can't argue "statisically" from a sample of one. We are in orbit around a G2 star, whether that's likely or not.

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We certainly are. This is my point: If M-type stars had been as good at supporting life on their planets as our G-type Sun is at supporting life on Earth, then statistically speaking we should have been in orbit around, say, Proxima Centauri instead of dear old Sol.

In my opinion, we shouldn't conclude that M-type stars are better hosts of habitable worlds than G-type stars. Indeed, I don't think we should argue that they are equally good hosts of habitable planets as G-type stars are, because we have no evidence whatsoever to support that view.

I may be wrong, most certainly. It could well be that we will later learn that M-type stars are ideal for planets with biospheres. But so far, I believe we have nothing to support that view, other than the argument that it is easier to look where the illumination is better.

The street lamp story again.

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Re: Earth-sized planets in habitable zones are common

Post by bystander » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:50 pm

I think you missed the point of the article. The article is saying that the habitable zone around M-dwarfs is larger than previously estimated, therefore the number of earth-sized planets in that zone is going to be larger than we previously thought. Whether or not a planet is habitable depends on a lot more factors than its existence within the zone of habitability. This article makes no attempt to determine whether or not the planet is in fact habitable.

Your street lamp story does not apply here. We are not searching for something we lost in a place we know we didn't lose it. We are trying to perfect search methodologies by performing searches that have a high probability of success in a relatively short amount of time.

Astronomers are still perfecting their methods of searching for planets, especially small rocky planets. Where better to prove your search methodology for small planets in the habitable zone than around plentiful stars whose habitable zone includes planets that orbit in weeks and months rather than years.
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