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APOD Robot
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by APOD Robot » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:06 am
Martian Sunset
Explanation: What would it be like to see a sunset on Mars? To help find out, the
robotic rover Spirit was deployed in 2005 to park and watch the Sun dip serenely below the distant lip of
Gusev crater. Colors in the
above image have been slightly exaggerated but would likely be apparent to a human
explorer's eye. Fine martian dust particles suspended in the thin atmosphere
lend the sky a reddish color, but the dust also scatters blue light in the forward direction, creating a
bluish sky glow near the setting Sun. Because Mars is farther away, the Sun is less bright and only about two thirds the diameter it appears from Earth. Images like this help atmospheric scientists understand not only the
atmosphere of Mars, but atmospheres across the
Solar System, including our
home Earth.
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Nitpicker
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by Nitpicker » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:37 am
Lonely.
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by Boomer12k » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:29 am
"Sunlight dims over Martian soil,
The night comes soon, there is no toil.
Phobos or Deimos soon may rise,
and Spirit watches o'er Martian Skies.
Alas in the sand, its mission spent,
A final transmission signal was sent.
Unable to reach the final rim,
Spirit's life was made to dim.
On it's journey, it had a friend,
Now Opportunity must reach the end."
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by Ann » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:44 am
Color Commentator
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by Tszabeau » Sun Mar 02, 2014 1:52 pm
Looks like someone set up a yurt, on the horizon.
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starsurfer
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by starsurfer » Sun Mar 02, 2014 5:59 pm
It almost looks like something out of a science fiction motion picture! I wonder what Gene Roddenberry would make of this image?
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rstevenson
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by rstevenson » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:58 pm
starsurfer wrote:It almost looks like something out of a science fiction motion picture! I wonder what Gene Roddenberry would make of this image?
That's his yurt. Mine is just over the hill.
Rob
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by Beyond » Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:09 pm
Now that i know what a "yurt" is, it doesn't look like a yurt to me.
To find the Truth, you must go Beyond.
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by George Kaplan » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:33 pm
Actually, the surface brightness of the Sun's disk is the same from all the planets. The fact that there is less sunlight on Mars is due entirely to the smaller size of the disk.
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geckzilla
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by geckzilla » Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:41 pm
George Kaplan wrote:Actually, the surface brightness of the Sun's disk is the same from all the planets. The fact that there is less sunlight on Mars is due entirely to the smaller size of the disk.
APOD explanations tend to be simplified and avoid terms like "surface brightness" because it's easily misunderstood by most lay persons. But it's good to have some clarity on the matter.
Just call me "geck" because "zilla" is like a last name.
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Chris Peterson
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by Chris Peterson » Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:23 pm
George Kaplan wrote:Actually, the surface brightness of the Sun's disk is the same from all the planets. The fact that there is less sunlight on Mars is due entirely to the smaller size of the disk.
Yes, but that's also substantially a restatement of the inverse square law.
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rstevenson
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by rstevenson » Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:51 pm
George Kaplan wrote:Actually, the surface brightness of the Sun's disk is the same from all the planets. The fact that there is less sunlight on Mars is due entirely to the smaller size of the disk.
... and the smaller size of the disk is due to Mars being farther away from the Sun, as stated in the description >> "Because Mars is farther away, the Sun is less bright ".
No one would read that as the Sun being intrinsically less bright, so no pedantry required.
Rob
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by Fun Key Brakes » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:05 am
It looks like the horizon is as far away as you usually see it on Earth until if you factor in the size of the sun as it appears from much futher away.
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by Nitpicker » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:09 am
Fun Key Brakes wrote:It looks like the horizon is as far away as you usually see it on Earth until if you factor in the size of the sun as it appears from much futher away.
That depends on how tall you are and also how close your eyes are to this APOD.
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by huaande » Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:01 pm
There is a always lot of focus on the visual aspect. I wonder why none of the rovers have carried sound recorders to give us the sounds of Mars. The picture calls out for the sounds of a chill wind.
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by Chris Peterson » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:03 am
huaande wrote:There is a always lot of focus on the visual aspect. I wonder why none of the rovers have carried sound recorders to give us the sounds of Mars. The picture calls out for the sounds of a chill wind.
The thing is, every instrument is extremely expensive due to the massive amount of validation required (a simple microphone could end up costing millions), and every gram devoted to one device takes away from others. Sound probably doesn't produce much useful information. If someone can demonstrate an important enough science requirement (in comparison with all the other science requirements), you'll see a microphone on some mission. Indeed, there was a microphone on the Mars Polar Lander, which crashed on the surface and never returned any data.
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by neufer » Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:12 pm
http://www.planetary.org/explore/space-topics/space-missions/mer-updates/2014/03-mer-update-opportunity-powers-up-in-cook-haven.html wrote:
- King Henry VIII Act 5, Scene 4
Porter:
These are the youths that thunder at a playhouse,
- and fight for bitten apples; that no audience, but
the Tribulation of Tower-hill, or the limbs of
Limehouse, their dear brothers, are able to endure.
I have some of 'em in Limbo Patrum, and there they
are like to dance these three days; besides the
running banquet of two beadles that is to come.
Mars Exploration Rovers Update:
by A.J.S. Rayl, 2014/04/07
<<Opportunity is emerging from a Martian winter with the energy of a kid rover. This veteran robot's energy rocketed 150 watt-hours in March, jumping from 492 watt-hours to 642 watt-hours. In the gentle valley of Cook Haven, bedrock is clearly exposed and the ubiquitous dust of Mars is obviously less prevalent. "
I think it's a scour zone, where winds are coming out of [Endeavour Crater] and then scouring the bedrock and the tops of the solar panels to boot," said Ray Arvidson, deputy principal investigator, of Washington University St. Louis. Another 2500 meters to the south is one of the mission's major, much-anticipated science destinations, Cape Tribulation. Cape Tribulation is harboring really ancient, Noachian Period stuff from 3 to 4 billion years ago. "
There's a valley that cuts right though Cape Tribulation and the walls are full of different kinds of clay," enthused Arvidson. "
And they're all old rocks. The fact that you can see the third dimension means we can look at the bedded plains and the strata proper and can see the style alteration. Because we have the Bench, which is like a super highway, Cape Tribulation is not that far away." >>
Much more at:
http://www.planetary.org/explore/space- ... haven.html
Art Neuendorffer