APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

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APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by APOD Robot » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:08 am

Image Along the Western Veil

Explanation: Delicate in appearance, these filaments of shocked, glowing gas, draped in planet Earth's sky toward the constellation of Cygnus, make up the western part of the Veil Nebula. The Veil Nebula itself is a large supernova remnant, an expanding cloud born of the death explosion of a massive star. Light from the original supernova explosion likely reached Earth over 5,000 years ago. Blasted out in the cataclysmic event, the interstellar shock wave plows through space sweeping up and exciting interstellar material. The glowing filaments are really more like long ripples in a sheet seen almost edge on, remarkably well separated into atomic hydrogen (red) and oxygen (blue-green) gas. Also known as the Cygnus Loop, the Veil Nebula now spans nearly 3 degrees or about 6 times the diameter of the full Moon. While that translates to over 70 light-years at its estimated distance of 1,500 light-years, this wide image of the western portion spans about half that distance. Brighter parts of the western Veil are recognized as separate nebulae, including The Witch's Broom (NGC 6960) along the top of this view and Pickering's Triangle (NGC 6979) below and right of center.

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by Tara_Li » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:41 am

Just be careful about looking at this with R/B anaglyph glasses. Freaky!

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Post by Boomer12k » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:56 am

Such nice detail...

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by AstroGG » Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:07 am

Really nice but the image is inverted!

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by geckzilla » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:25 am

AstroGG wrote:Really nice but the image is inverted!
In what way do you mean it is inverted? I am confused.

Edit: I'm guessing you mean it is mirrored / flipped. For some reason I took inverted to mean something with the colors.
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by AstroGG » Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:00 am

geckzilla wrote:
AstroGG wrote:Really nice but the image is inverted!
In what way do you mean it is inverted? I am confused.

Edit: I'm guessing you mean it is mirrored / flipped. For some reason I took inverted to mean something with the colors.
The colors are beautiful. It's not the problem.

From Ask.com:
An inverted image, also known as a reversed image is an image which has undergone a rotation of 180 degrees about a plane. Normally the upper, lower, left and right margins of the real object are reversed. Most of such images are made by telescopes and some other optical mirrors.

Synonyms are : reversed, mirrored, flipped.

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by CURRAHEE CHRIS » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:29 pm

APOD Robot wrote:....Light from the original supernova explosion likely reached Earth over 5,000 years ago.
Just curious but what would this mean here on earth 5,000 years ago? Does it mean that if the light reached during the day it would have been brighter for a period? Does it mean if it occured in the evening it may have lit up some portion of the sky? Perhaps it was a non event? Im just curious if this type of light would be something we would be able to recognize here on earth?

Very beautiful picture.

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:48 pm

CURRAHEE CHRIS wrote:
APOD Robot wrote:....Light from the original supernova explosion likely reached Earth over 5,000 years ago.
Just curious but what would this mean here on earth 5,000 years ago? Does it mean that if the light reached during the day it would have been brighter for a period? Does it mean if it occured in the evening it may have lit up some portion of the sky? Perhaps it was a non event? Im just curious if this type of light would be something we would be able to recognize here on earth?
It means that there would have been a new star in the sky for a few months. It would have been the brightest star in the sky, visible even in the day. It would not have made the day noticeably brighter, but it would cast weak shadows at night.
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by CURRAHEE CHRIS » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:27 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
CURRAHEE CHRIS wrote:
APOD Robot wrote:....Light from the original supernova explosion likely reached Earth over 5,000 years ago.
Just curious but what would this mean here on earth 5,000 years ago? Does it mean that if the light reached during the day it would have been brighter for a period? Does it mean if it occured in the evening it may have lit up some portion of the sky? Perhaps it was a non event? Im just curious if this type of light would be something we would be able to recognize here on earth?
It means that there would have been a new star in the sky for a few months. It would have been the brightest star in the sky, visible even in the day. It would not have made the day noticeably brighter, but it would cast weak shadows at night.

Thanks for that Chris- visited your cloudbait website last friday- very informative and interesting!!! Enjoyed reading about your lifelong passion for astronomy and the different places youve visited in connection to astronomy. Pleasantly informative!!

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by LocalColor » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:33 pm

Oh my - another wonderful image. Guess I'm partial to nebulas.

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Post by Jandotto » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:50 pm

Several things puzzle me:
Firstly I presume the blast from the supernova generates cosmic rays [high energy protons, helium nuclei and high energy light waves such as x-rays etc].
These, I presume, interact with interstellar hydrogen and oxygen atoms exciting them to higher energy, the 'colour' shown indicative of this excitation.
But why atomic - rather than molecular hydrogen and oxygen? Is this because of the interaction - or is interstellar material so disparate that these elements never find another atom to collide with? In chemical terms we would call them free radicals, highly reactive and unstable, prone to reform molecular hydrogen [H2] and oxygen [O2] given half a chance.

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by starsurfer » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:00 pm

Pickering's Triangle was discovered by Williamina Fleming and she named it after her supervisor Edward Pickering. It is also known as Fleming's Triangular Wisp.

It would be awesome to see a deep mosaic of the whole Veil Nebula by Fabian Neyer!

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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by neufer » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:28 pm

Jandotto wrote:Several things puzzle me:
Firstly I presume the blast from the supernova generates cosmic rays [high energy protons, helium nuclei and high energy light waves such as x-rays etc].
These, I presume, interact with interstellar hydrogen and oxygen atoms exciting them to higher energy, the 'colour' shown indicative of this excitation.
But why atomic - rather than molecular hydrogen and oxygen? Is this because of the interaction - or is interstellar material so disparate that these elements never find another atom to collide with? In chemical terms we would call them free radicals, highly reactive and unstable, prone to reform molecular hydrogen [H2] and oxygen [O2] given half a chance.
The cross section for cosmic rays is on the order of the size of the nuclei (~ 10-13 cm.)2.
The cross section for atomic collisions is on the order of size of the atoms (~ 10-8 cm.)2.
(The cross section for UV radiation is about the same.)
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by JohnD » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:00 pm

What process has seperated out hydrogen and oxygen atoms to the extent that they appear to form different 'threads' in the Veil?
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by MarkBour » Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:31 pm

When I look at this image, I have to say:
"Whoa, surf's up, dude!"
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by neufer » Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:05 pm

JohnD wrote:
What process has separated out hydrogen and oxygen atoms to the extent that they appear to form different 'threads' in the Veil?
Hydrogen & oxygen nuclei probably started off with roughly the same velocities; however the oxygen nuclei have more momentum per unit charge causing them to be less deflected by magnetic fields. Hence the hydrogen nuclei ended up more scattered as well as being more deflected to either the background or foreground.
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by JohnD » Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:18 pm

Thank you, Art!
Less abtruse than usual, by a long way!
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by starsurfer » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:38 pm

MarkBour wrote:When I look at this image, I have to say:
"Whoa, surf's up, dude!"
silversurfer.jpg
starsurfer agrees with this sentiment. :D
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Re: APOD: Along the Western Veil (2014 Apr 04)

Post by sytheblackwolfe » Fri Jun 20, 2014 10:40 pm

Hello from an amateur astronomer who just (re-)discovered this site. I'd come across it years ago, but forgot about it in the bustle of my daily life.

I just want to thank you all for the lovely pictures that inspire me and my children to learn more about this universe we live in!

By the way, in this picture, does anyone see the shape of some type of musical horn directly below the tail of the Witches' Broom? It was pointed out to me by my daughter, Chloe, and I thought I'd mention it here just for fun.