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by alter-ego » Sat May 17, 2014 6:18 am
Nitpicker wrote:neufer wrote:Nitpicker wrote:
No, it does not cross itself. This is because the higher eccentricity of Mars's orbit has a much more dominant effect on the analemma, than the inclination of Mar's polar axis to the Ecliptic. These two components of the more circular Earth orbit, are much more closely matched in magnitude (but the effect of the inclination has twice the frequency).
No, it does not cross itself... because the equation of time effect due to the inclination of Mars' polar axis (i.e., the close spacing of time zones near the poles) is closely matched in magnitude with that due to the high eccentricity of Mars' orbit (such that they nearly cancel each other at aphelion).
Not convinced. Show me the "equation of time" graph for Mars, including the two components from which it is formed.
A sundial on Mars would become a lot slower/faster over the course of a year, than a sundial on Earth (compared to an accurate clock). But Mars and Earth have similar inclinations, and both have the line of apsides far from the nodes. The big difference is the high eccentricity of Mars's orbit.
As you stated, the figure-8 shape is lost due to the dominant eccentricity component within the analemma. Per your request, I've calculated the EOT and analemma components for Mars. Instead of using Earth months on the EOT X-axis, I used orbital position angle which works the same. I personally like viewing the analemmas.
Mars Equation of Time & Components.JPG
Mars Analemma & Components.JPG
- Edit: At first, I mistakenly annotated the "Eccentricity Only" graph as being a 0° inclination case which is not true. The declination would remain 0° if that were the case. Just think of it as having axis tilt component removed.
Mars Analemma - Half Eccentricity.JPG
- Edit: I decided to add the analemma for the case where the eccentricity is ½ the actual value. The figure-8 is beginning for form.
As an aside, geosynchronous satellites show the same gamut of analemmas too, and for the same reasons. From nice figure eights (circular orbits with non-zero orbital inclinations) to the pointy type (high eccentricity).
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