APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

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APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by APOD Robot » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:06 am

Image The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble

Explanation: Why does the Sombrero Galaxy look like a hat? Reasons include the Sombrero's unusually large and extended central bulge of stars, and dark prominent dust lanes that appear in a disk that we see nearly edge-on. Billions of old stars cause the diffuse glow of the extended central bulge. Close inspection of the bulge in the above photograph shows many points of light that are actually globular clusters. M104's spectacular dust rings harbor many younger and brighter stars, and show intricate details astronomers don't yet fully understand. The very center of the Sombrero glows across the electromagnetic spectrum, and is thought to house a large black hole. Fifty million-year-old light from the Sombrero Galaxy can be seen with a small telescope towards the constellation of Virgo.

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Ann » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:40 am

The Sombrero Galaxy is a bit like the Saturn of galaxies. :saturn:

I don't know if the rings of Saturn know how to make new rings, or ringlets. Maybe they do.

But the disk of the Sombrero has mislaid the recipe for making new stars.

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Beyond » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:44 am

When one gets old, one tends to forget things. :lol2:
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by hoohaw » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:08 am

Why is it tipped a bit like that?

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:26 pm

WOULD OUR GALAXY FIT IN THE SOMBRERO GALAXY?

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Markus Schwarz » Sun Jul 26, 2015 1:43 pm

Guest wrote:WOULD OUR GALAXY FIT IN THE SOMBRERO GALAXY?
No need to YELL! Yes No, it wouldn't fit. According to Wikipedia the radius of the Sombrero galaxy is only 30% of our Milky Way.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by NCTom » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:16 pm

This image offers the opportunity for hundreds of questions related to background objects. The linked "owl eyes" galaxies near the left hand bottom is a fascinating feature. The variety of galactic shapes scattered in the distance gives a great cross section of galactic forms. Fantastic image for both the Sombrero and for background exploration!

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Dad is watching » Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:58 pm

I tried to access the hi-res image but it seems to have errors in it and I can't display it. I was looking at the lower-res image and the central bulge seems to me to be a little bit flattened as the bulge gets to a perpendicular direction from the plane of the galaxy. Kins of like a fat donut without the hole. I'm not sure whether this is an artifact of the low res image or if it is really so. I understand how the central bulge could be formed along the lines of a (kind of) Kai Squared distribution from the galactic plane to a limit of 90 degrees, but I'm not sure it is real. Any ideas, or any way to find a good copy of the hi res image.

Also, the reference to the 'small telescope' is of interest. My Dad may buy me an 8" reflector this year. Is that big enough to see this in some detail? Thanks...

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:08 pm

Dad is watching wrote:Also, the reference to the 'small telescope' is of interest. My Dad may buy me an 8" reflector this year. Is that big enough to see this in some detail? Thanks...
This is a bright galaxy, visible even in binoculars. An 8" scope will allow you to see it at reasonable magnification, and will show its sombrero shape and dust lane. Don't expect to see much more than that- this object doesn't have much in the way of visual features.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by neufer » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:14 pm

Markus Schwarz wrote:
Guest wrote:
WOULD OUR GALAXY FIT IN THE SOMBRERO GALAXY?
No need to YELL! Yes, it would fit.
According to Wikipedia the radius of the Sombrero galaxy is only 30% of our Milky Way
  • So it would NOT fit.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Ann » Sun Jul 26, 2015 4:24 pm

Well, perhaps the Sombrero would fit us, like a hat.

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by bystander » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:09 pm

Dad is watching wrote: I tried to access the hi-res image but it seems to have errors in it and I can't display it.

It is quite large (9 Mb). Here is a link to a download page at HubbleSite.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Cousin Ricky » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:45 pm

So, just how far away is this galaxy?

Is it 28 Mly, as HubbleSite.org (STScI) claims? Is it 1/2 the distance to the Virgo Cluster (about 25 – 28 Mly), as NightSkyInfo.com claims? Is it 11.118 Mpc (36 Mly), as NED claims? Or is it 50 Mly, as claimed by SEDS.org, SpaceTelescope.org (ESA), and today’s professional astronomer?

A range of 25 to 36 Mly seems normal for this type of distance estimate, but 50 Mly seems a bit too far from the other estimates. We seem to have two different clusters of estimates.

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Dad's not waching » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:46 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Dad is watching wrote:Also, the reference to the 'small telescope' is of interest. My Dad may buy me an 8" reflector this year. Is that big enough to see this in some detail? Thanks...
This is a bright galaxy, visible even in binoculars. An 8" scope will allow you to see it at reasonable magnification, and will show its sombrero shape and dust lane. Don't expect to see much more than that- this object doesn't have much in the way of visual features.
Should I ask for 10" ??? :)

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Chris Peterson » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:56 pm

Dad's not waching wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
Dad is watching wrote:Also, the reference to the 'small telescope' is of interest. My Dad may buy me an 8" reflector this year. Is that big enough to see this in some detail? Thanks...
This is a bright galaxy, visible even in binoculars. An 8" scope will allow you to see it at reasonable magnification, and will show its sombrero shape and dust lane. Don't expect to see much more than that- this object doesn't have much in the way of visual features.
Should I ask for 10" ??? :)
More aperture allows for more magnification, which is important for showing detail. But more aperture is more length and more weight, and at some point inconvenience might get in the way of actually using the thing- especially if (like most people) you're only able to take serious advantage of it by driving someplace darker than your backyard.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Markus Schwarz » Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:37 pm

neufer wrote:
Markus Schwarz wrote:Yes, it would fit.
  • So it would NOT fit.
:oops: Fixed it. Thanks!

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Boomer12k » Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:09 pm

If you click on the picture to go to the BIG picture, then click to magnify on the central part of the dust lane....I see several "pipe nebula"s....

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Pianosorplanets » Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:40 am

bystander wrote:
Dad is watching wrote: I tried to access the hi-res image but it seems to have errors in it and I can't display it.

It is quite large (9 Mb). Here is a link to a download page at HubbleSite.
The large file behind the presentation picture on APOD is a 9.060meg file.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by geckzilla » Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:22 am

Pianosorplanets wrote:
bystander wrote:
Dad is watching wrote: I tried to access the hi-res image but it seems to have errors in it and I can't display it.

It is quite large (9 Mb). Here is a link to a download page at HubbleSite.
The large file behind the presentation picture on APOD is a 9.060meg file.
That's what bystander was saying. If you've got an older computer without a lot of memory, there can be trouble trying to display a 9 meg image file within a browser. Might be dad's problem. So a download link where the image can be saved to the hard disk and opened locally in a photo viewer might work.
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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by Guest » Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:00 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: More aperture allows for more magnification, which is important for showing detail. But more aperture is more length and more weight, and at some point inconvenience might get in the way of actually using the thing- especially if (like most people) you're only able to take serious advantage of it by driving someplace darker than your backyard.
Chris is correct, as usual. An 8" scope is the perfect size to start with - large enough to explore all the Messier objects (including M104), but small enough to be easy to use. Messier made quite a catalogue with a 4".

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Re: APOD: The Sombrero Galaxy from Hubble (2015 Jul 26)

Post by lbeckham » Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:11 pm

This is kind of thang I love on APOD. Take a break from all thing terrestrial unless you are looking down from orbit.