APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

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APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by APOD Robot » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:08 am

Image Supermoon and Space Station

Explanation: What are those specks in front of the Moon? They are silhouettes of the International Space Station (ISS). Using careful planning and split-second timing, a meticulous lunar photographer captured ten images of the ISS passing in front of last month's full moon. But this wasn't just any full moon -- this was the first of the three consecutive 2016 supermoons. A supermoon is a full moon that appears a few percent larger and brighter than most other full moons. The featured image sequence was captured near Dallas, Texas. Occurring today is the second supermoon of this series, a full moon that is the biggest and brightest not only of the year, but of any year since 1948. To see today's super-supermoon yourself, just go outside at night and look up. The third supermoon of this year's series will occur in mid-December.

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Post by heehaw » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:52 am

Every December we get a SuperSun! And every June we get a MicroSun!

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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by kingernie » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:16 am

ISS must have slipped into cloaked mode as I see only eight images, not ten. ????
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Post by truth » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:40 pm

The ISS looks like a tie fighter

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Post by Chris Peterson » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:40 pm

heehaw wrote:Every December we get a SuperSun! And every June we get a MicroSun!
That's because the Sun is always full!

We get a super Moon and a micro Moon every month, they're just not usually in the full phase.
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by neufer » Mon Nov 14, 2016 2:50 pm

truth wrote:
kingernie wrote:
ISS must have slipped into cloaked mode as I see only eight images, not ten. ????
  • The ISS looks like a tie fighter
  • A V38 "Phantom" TIE, equipped with a cloaking device invented by Grand Admiral Sarn:
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<<Star Wars: Rebel Assault II: The Hidden Empire is a 1995 video game developed by LucasArt:

The Alliance learns that the Empire has constructed a secret mining facility in the asteroid Belt of Arah, somewhere in the Dreighton Nebula, and Rookie One is sent along with a squadron of X-wings to destroy it. Along the way, they encounter derillium minefields and TIE Interceptors. The facility is not simply mining ore, but is supplying rare metals required to manufacture the new V38 "Phantom" TIE, equipped with a cloaking device invented by Grand Admiral Sarn. After the squadron opens a way into the facility's reactor core and destroys it, narrowly escaping the blast, squadron leader Ace Merrick is killed along with wingman Ina Rece by an ambush of Phantom TIEs. Disguised as stormtroopers, Rookie One and Ru Murleen steal an Imperial shuttle and board Admiral Sarn's cloaked Super Star Destroyer Terror. After defeating numerous stormtroopers within the Super Star Destroyer and later in the maintenance tunnels, they steal a Phantom TIE from the hangar. After destroying the Terror from inside, along with many other Phantom TIEs, Darth Vader kills Admiral Sarn for his failures and escapes on his TIE advanced. The Imdaar Alpha facility manufacturing the new fighters suddenly appears on Imdaar's moon, as it was also equipped with a cloaking device that was damaged when the Terror exploded.
  • "You have failed me for the last time.
    You will not have an opportunity to do so again."
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by neufer » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:31 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
heehaw wrote:
Every December we get a SuperSun! And every June we get a MicroSun!
That's because the Sun is always full!
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by Chris Peterson » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:05 pm

neufer wrote:
Chris Peterson wrote:
heehaw wrote:
Every December we get a SuperSun! And every June we get a MicroSun!
That's because the Sun is always full!
Well, it's not side lit or back lit.
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by neufer » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:10 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
Well, it's not side lit or back lit.
  • Well, it's not front lit either.

    Full: not lacking or omitting anything; complete.
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by Fred the Cat » Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:55 pm

Tectonically-speaking – makes you wonder :?:
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Post by geckzilla » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:01 pm

Fred the Cat wrote:Tectonically-speaking – makes you wonder :?:
Sure, it does, but then that wonder is quickly and easily removed by studying earthquakes and what science has revealed about them. There's not even a correlation between lunar or solar orientation much less the non-event now known as supermoons.
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Post by neufer » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:12 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Fred the Cat wrote:
Tectonically-speaking – makes you wonder :?:
Sure, it does, but then that wonder is quickly and easily removed by studying earthquakes and what science has revealed about them. There's not even a correlation between lunar or solar orientation much less the non-event now known as supermoons.
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<<An anecdote is a brief, revealing account of an individual person or an incident. Their primary purpose is to reveal a truth more general than the brief tale itself. Anecdotes may be real or fictional; however, an anecdote is always presented as the recounting of a real incident, involving actual persons and usually in an identifiable place.

The word anecdote (in Greek: ἀνέκδοτον "unpublished", literally "not given out") comes from Procopius of Caesarea who produced a work entitled Ἀνέκδοτα (Anekdota, variously translated as Unpublished Memoirs or Secret History), which is primarily a collection of short incidents from the private life of the Byzantine court. Gradually, the term "anecdote" came to be applied to any short tale utilized to emphasize or illustrate whatever point the author wished to make.

Anecdotal evidence is an informal account of evidence in the form of an anecdote. The term is often used in contrast to scientific evidence, as evidence that cannot be investigated using the scientific method. The problem with arguing based on anecdotal evidence is that anecdotal evidence is not necessarily typical; only statistical evidence can determine how typical something is. Misuse of anecdotal evidence is an informal fallacy.>>
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by Chris Peterson » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:17 pm

geckzilla wrote:
Fred the Cat wrote:Tectonically-speaking – makes you wonder :?:
Sure, it does, but then that wonder is quickly and easily removed by studying earthquakes and what science has revealed about them. There's not even a correlation between lunar or solar orientation much less the non-event now known as supermoons.
Well, that was the general view until recently. But several high profile papers in the last year have demonstrated correlation between the lunar phase and earthquakes in certain types of faults, between lunar phase and solar position for microtremors in the San Andreas and other faults, and for a relationship between the new and full moon and the timing of very large earthquakes.

The forcing effect is small, and that means the chance of having an earthquake during a full moon or supermoon is still very small. But tidal stress does appear to have tectonic consequences.
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by geckzilla » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:46 pm

Chris Peterson wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
Fred the Cat wrote:Tectonically-speaking – makes you wonder :?:
Sure, it does, but then that wonder is quickly and easily removed by studying earthquakes and what science has revealed about them. There's not even a correlation between lunar or solar orientation much less the non-event now known as supermoons.
Well, that was the general view until recently. But several high profile papers in the last year have demonstrated correlation between the lunar phase and earthquakes in certain types of faults, between lunar phase and solar position for microtremors in the San Andreas and other faults, and for a relationship between the new and full moon and the timing of very large earthquakes.

The forcing effect is small, and that means the chance of having an earthquake during a full moon or supermoon is still very small. But tidal stress does appear to have tectonic consequences.
So a butterfly flaps its wings in the Amazon... er, a tectonic fault flaps a little in San Andreas and somewhere down the line an earthquake happens.
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Post by neufer » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:06 pm

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Post by Tim M » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:07 pm

Reuters is reporting this supermoon was also a lunar eclipse (Europe, Asia) -
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-super ... estyleMolt

What the ...

Nasa seems to disagree,
https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/OH/OH2016.html

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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by geckzilla » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:46 pm

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. It just did not pass through Earth's umbra or penumbra for anyone no matter where you stood on the planet.
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by MarkBour » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:55 am

Wow, the edge of the Moon's disc up at about 10 o'clock, so to speak, near the crater Anaxagoras, is so jagged in appearance that it looks like there are clouds floating above the horizon. I think this is just that the shadows fall perfectly to make this appear that way. Perhaps there are some serious cliffs over there, to create such a lighting contrast (?)
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by Boomer12k » Tue Nov 15, 2016 3:02 am

Yikes, its a TIE fighter.... er... wait... no... it is the ISS... cool....I can see the Energizer Bunny very clearly and bright.... and I did not get to see the Supermoon on account of rain... but did see the near full on Saturday through my window when I went to bed... should have gotten up, but it was COLD outside....

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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by starbrush » Tue Nov 15, 2016 5:31 pm

The ISS travels at about 100x its length per second, yet these photographers manage to snap and freeze the Station as it transits the Moon - and gather enough light to capture the scene! Great kit and craft, and beautiful results.

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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by moconnor » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:26 pm

I'd like to know if, when the super Moon was last this big, 1948, the scientists of the time knew about the concept of a super Moon. Did they know that the Moon had an eliptical orbit and that the full Moon was near perigee? When was the concept of super Moon first introduced?

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Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:35 pm

moconnor wrote:I'd like to know if, when the super Moon was last this big, 1948, the scientists of the time knew about the concept of a super Moon. Did they know that the Moon had an eliptical orbit and that the full Moon was near perigee?
Sure, the orbit of the Moon was well characterized in 1948, and the distance between it and the Earth at any point in its orbit well known.
When was the concept of super Moon first introduced?
Astronomers could have been aware of perigee moons (and full moons) for the last few hundred years. Some probably noted them. The term "supermoon" isn't used by astronomers and has no astronomical significance. It was coined by an astrologer in 1979 and only in the last decades has appeared as a concept in popular culture (rather like blue moons).
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Re: APOD: Supermoon and Space Station (2016 Nov 14)

Post by ta152h0 » Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:22 pm

most unfortunate. Rained cats and dogs last night and Sunday night.
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