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Boomer12k
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by Boomer12k » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:41 am
They look a bit like Earth Hurricanes... I wonder if that is what they are... Jovian Hurricanes?
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ygmarchi
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by ygmarchi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:50 am
Juno let us appreciate a different, unexpected Jupiter.
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ta152h0
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by ta152h0 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:56 am
imagine being inside a boiling water pot
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by Alex_jrpp » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:08 am
Are the colors processed in this image or do they correspond to what a human eye would see at that distance from Jupiter ?
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geckzilla
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by geckzilla » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:39 am
Alex_jrpp wrote:Are the colors processed in this image or do they correspond to what a human eye would see at that distance from Jupiter ?
It's not an either-or thing. The images are always processed, whether they're done to imitate human vision or not. Your eyes wouldn't see nearly this much detail in the clouds. The contrast has been increased quite a bit.
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HellCat
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by HellCat » Mon Feb 13, 2017 1:29 pm
Last line doesn't quite make sense. Someone needs an editor!
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sunson
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by sunson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:25 pm
what is the scale of earth in this picture?
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rstevenson
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by rstevenson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:48 pm
sunson wrote:what is the scale of earth in this picture?
Well, the diameter of Jupiter is almost exactly 11 times the diameter of the Earth, so... try to picture the Earth in that image -- sort of like this...
JupiterSouth_JunoPeach_1200.jpg
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Jim Leff
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by Jim Leff » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:20 pm
1. Four orbits in seven months? Is that entirely because of Jupiter's huge size, or is it also orbiting slowly?
2. Jupiter may have a solid core? Wuhhh? We'd have to rewrite a lot of textbooks if that turned out to be true (Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility yet, sticking entirely with the classical line about "gas giant").
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Chris Peterson
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by Chris Peterson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:39 pm
Jim Leff wrote:1. Four orbits in seven months? Is that entirely because of Jupiter's huge size, or is it also orbiting slowly?
It's because the orbit is extremely eccentric. Per Kepler, the orbital speed is slow when the craft is far from Jupiter, and very fast when it's close.
2. Jupiter may have a solid core? Wuhhh? We'd have to rewrite a lot of textbooks if that turned out to be true (Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility yet, sticking entirely with the classical line about "gas giant").
Textbooks have been suggesting a solid core for decades. Such a core has long been suspected, and the Wikipedia page also shows the core to be solid. "Gas giant" doesn't exclude a solid core!
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by Steve Dutch » Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:54 pm
These are synoptic-scale weather patterns, equivalent to a view from a geostationary weather satellite around earth. I hope we get some close up views to tell us the cloud structures themselves (cumulus, stratiform, cirrus, or something new).
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BDanielMayfield
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by BDanielMayfield » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:00 pm
APOD Robot wrote:Juno ... will study Jovian giant in new ways, including trying to determine if beneath its thick clouds, Jupiter has a solid core.
Chris Peterson wrote:Jim Leff wrote:2. Jupiter may have a solid core? Wuhhh? We'd have to rewrite a lot of textbooks if that turned out to be true (Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility yet, sticking entirely with the classical line about "gas giant").
Textbooks have been suggesting a solid core for decades. Such a core has long been suspected, and the Wikipedia page also shows the core to be solid. "Gas giant" doesn't exclude a solid core!
I found that last line in the Explanation strange for the opposite reason Jeff. Since Jupiter was formed out of same cloud of gas and dust as the sun and the rest of our solar system, how in this universe could it not have a solid core?
Just as zero is not equal to infinity, everything coming from nothing is illogical.
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Chris Peterson
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by Chris Peterson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:30 pm
BDanielMayfield wrote:APOD Robot wrote:Juno ... will study Jovian giant in new ways, including trying to determine if beneath its thick clouds, Jupiter has a solid core.
Chris Peterson wrote:Jim Leff wrote:2. Jupiter may have a solid core? Wuhhh? We'd have to rewrite a lot of textbooks if that turned out to be true (Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility yet, sticking entirely with the classical line about "gas giant").
Textbooks have been suggesting a solid core for decades. Such a core has long been suspected, and the Wikipedia page also shows the core to be solid. "Gas giant" doesn't exclude a solid core!
I found that last line in the Explanation strange for the opposite reason Jeff. Since Jupiter was formed out of same cloud of gas and dust as the sun and the rest of our solar system, how in this universe could it not have a solid core?
The problem is that we don't really have a clear understanding about the states of matter at the extreme pressure present in the center of Jupiter. It is possible that the heavy elements that sunk to the center of the planet may simply not exist in a solid state under those conditions. (But most people think they probably do, although it's very possible the core could be a fluid solid, such as the interior of much of the Earth.)
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by De58te » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:15 pm
"Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility of a solid core yet."
Did you actually read the Jupiter article in Wikipedia?
Read first paragraph under the section "Internal Structure"
Even the illustration of the internal structure has this caption, Quote; "This cut-away illustrates a model of the interior of Jupiter, with a rocky core overlaid by a deep layer of liquid metallic hydrogen."
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by blucat » Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:22 pm
2. Jupiter may have a solid core? Wuhhh? We'd have to rewrite a lot of textbooks if that turned out to be true (Wikipedia doesn't even raise the possibility yet, sticking entirely with the classical line about "gas giant").
Textbooks have been suggesting a solid core for decades. Such a core has long been suspected, and the Wikipedia page also shows the core to be solid. "Gas giant" doesn't exclude a solid core![/quote]
Yay! I didn't know that anyone considered Jupiter to have a solid core. (yes, I am a hermit.) I have considered this a given, obvious, but never said anything because I'm sick of being flamed. Thanks Chris. No doubt about it!!
