APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

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APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby APOD Robot » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:06 am

Image Cassini Approaches Saturn

Explanation: What would it look like to approach Saturn in a spaceship? One doesn't have to just imagine -- the Cassini spacecraft did just this in 2004, recording thousands of images along the way, and hundreds of thousands more since entering orbit. Some of Cassini's early images have been digitally tweaked, cropped, and compiled into the featured inspiring video which is part of a larger developing IMAX movie project named Outside In. In the concluding sequence, Saturn looms increasingly large on approach as cloudy Titan swoops below. With Saturn whirling around in the background, Cassini is next depicted flying over Mimas, with large Herschel Crater clearly visible. Saturn's majestic rings then take over the show as Cassini crosses Saturn's thin ring plane. Dark shadows of the ring appear on Saturn itself. Finally, the enigmatic ice-geyser moon Enceladus appears in the distance and then is approached just as the video clip ends. The Cassini spacecraft itself, low on fuel, is scheduled to end on Friday when it will be directed to approach so close to Saturn that it falls in and melts.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby ta152h0 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:28 am

Very poetic farewell
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby Knight of Clear Skies » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:04 am

Can't remember ever seeing a better flypast video/animation.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby geckzilla » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:11 am

Nice seeing this here again. I reckon the text needs some updating; the film is now called In Saturn's Rings, unless I'm mistaken.
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Postby heehaw » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:56 am

Glorious!

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Postby Veronica Starlover! » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:32 am

I think it's a beautiful animation just been really like to see it look a lot more realistic! But beautiful in its form as a glorious farewell!!

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby alex_345 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:38 am

Very beautiful. Few questions:
1- The whole video corresponds to a large time interval. So why don't we see the turbulent structures on Saturn moving during this time interval ?
2- The last fly over Enceladus would correspond to almost relativistic speeds, no ?
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby Lasse H » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:59 am

... and the music? Barber?

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby stephenv2 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:10 am

I'm in the midst of traveling to see the Grand FInale[url][/url] at JPL, so just quickly. This is repeat of the APOD from 2010 - the project is much farther along today.

There is much, much better version of that clip in 4K with better color here:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.


And the project is a full non-profit film for IMAX theaters releasing in May 4th 2018 http://www.insaturnsrings.com which much of the credit due to attention from the original APOD back in March 2011 – I can never thank APOD enough for that.

The website has a 10 part series that details precisely how this clip and entire film has been made. http://insaturnsrings.com/when-will-it-be-done-pt-1/

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby NCTom » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:29 am

Truly awesome work. Cassini has opened for us a magnificent window on a small part of our universe. Hopefully other future projects will do what Cassini and the little fellows around and on Mars have done for us.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby neufer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:06 pm

APOD Robot wrote:Cassini Approaches Saturn

The Cassini spacecraft itself, low on fuel, is scheduled to end on Friday
when it will be directed to approach so close to Saturn that it falls in and melts. >>
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... 5206ed5db3 wrote:
How to steer a spacecraft into Saturn
By Joel Achenbach. Washington Post, September 9

<<Dreamed up when Ronald Reagan was president, and launched during the tenure of Bill Clinton, Cassini arrived at Saturn in the first term of George W. Bush. So it’s old, as space hardware goes. It has also run out of gas, basically, though precisely how much fuel is left is unknown. Program manager Earl Maize says,

One of our lessons learned, and it’s a lesson learned by many missions, is to attach a gas gauge.”>>
https://kendalastronomer.wordpress.com/ ... uel-gauge/ wrote:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.
Checking Cassini’s fuel gauge
Philip Stobbart Blog, Posted on 08/09/2009

<<The Cassini probe, presently still exploring the Saturn system, has two main propellant systems. The bipropellant system uses nitrogen tetroxide as the oxidiser and monomethylhydrazine as the fuel. The monopropellant system just uses hydrazine, but how do they tell how much fuel has been used, or how you even spell them? The two methods used are either to estimate the amount of fuel coming out and relate that to how much there once was or knowing the volume of the fuel tank and taking pressure and temperature readings, use the ideal gas laws (or some derivative thereof) – Pressure x Volume = number of molecule x Gas Constant x Temperature – to calculate what’s in there. Initially, these gave results that agreed to about 20%. This error was halved through work done on the fuel coming out method and a few further corrections drawn from performance tests have reduced the error further.

The result? Half the monopropellant remains as well as one tenth of the bipropellant, but that’s enough bipropellant to make it to 2017.>>
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby Ann » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:46 pm

stephenv2 wrote:I'm in the midst of traveling to see the Grand FInale[url][/url] at JPL, so just quickly. This is repeat of the APOD from 2010 - the project is much farther along today.

There is much, much better version of that clip in 4K with better color here:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.


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I agree, the new version is much better!

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Postby starsurfer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:54 pm

stephenv2 wrote:I'm in the midst of traveling to see the Grand FInale[url][/url] at JPL, so just quickly. This is repeat of the APOD from 2010 - the project is much farther along today.

There is much, much better version of that clip in 4K with better color here:
Click to play embedded YouTube video.


And the project is a full non-profit film for IMAX releasing in May 4th 2018 http://www.insaturnsrings.com which much of the credit due to attention from the original APOD back in March 2011 – I can never thank APOD enough for that.

The website has a 10 part series that details precisely how this clip and entire film has been made. http://insaturnsrings.com/when-will-it-be-done-pt-1/

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This is truly amazing, love it! Great to see many names I recognise in the credits including the ever resplendent Emily Lakdawalla and pretty cool Judy Schmidt!

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby bls0326 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:04 pm

Just wonderful, especially the newer version. THANKS!

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Postby neufer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:44 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_for_Strings wrote:
The Adagio for Strings has been performed on many public occasions, especially during times of mourning:

    Broadcast over the radio at the announcement of Franklin D. Roosevelt's death;
    Broadcast over the television at the announcement of John F. Kennedy's death
    Played at the funeral of Albert Einstein
    Played at the funeral of Princess Grace of Monaco
    Broadcast on BBC Radio several times after the announcement of the death of Princess Diana
    Performed in 2001 at the Royal Albert Hall to commemorate the victims of the September 11 attacks.
<<Samuel Barber's Adagio for Strings began as the second movement of his String Quartet, Op. 11, composed in 1936 while he was spending a summer in Europe with his partner Gian Carlo Menotti, an Italian composer who was a fellow student at the Curtis Institute of Music. The inspiration came from Virgil's Georgics. In the quartet the Adagio follows a violently contrasting first movement (Molto allegro e appassionato) and is succeeded by music which opens with a brief reprise of the music from the first movement (marked Molto allegro (come prima) – Presto).

In January 1938 Barber sent an orchestrated version of the Adagio for Strings to Arturo Toscanini. The conductor returned the score without comment, which annoyed Barber. Toscanini then sent word through Menotti that he was planning to perform the piece and had returned it simply because he had already memorized it. It was reported that Toscanini did not look at the music again until the day before the premiere. On November 5, 1938, a selected audience was invited to Studio 8H in Rockefeller Center to watch Toscanini conduct the first performance, a radio broadcast which was also recorded. Initially, the critical reception was positive, as seen in the review by The New York Times's Olin Downes: "We have here honest music, by an honest musician, not striving for pretentious effect, not behaving as a writer would who, having a clear, short, popular word handy for his purpose, got the dictionary and fished out a long one.">>
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Postby RJN » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:45 pm

stephenv2 wrote: ... the project is a full non-profit film for IMAX releasing in May 4th 2018 http://www.insaturnsrings.com


The NASA APOD's text and links have now been updated to indicate this. I apologize for the oversight.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby MarkBour » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:31 pm

stephenv2 wrote:I'm in the midst of traveling to see the Grand FInale[url][/url] at JPL ...

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What a fantastic project this film is!

Give our deep appreciation and best wishes to the team at JPL for years, decades, of incomparable work

and to that lovable and amazing spacecraft, one last time.
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby stephenv2 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:44 pm

MarkBour wrote:Give our deep appreciation and best wishes to the team at JPL for years, decades, of incomparable work

and to that lovable and amazing spacecraft, one last time.


Absolutely, will do!
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby Steve Dutch » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:17 pm

When Pioneer 11 passed Saturn in 1979, some of the hot-dogger types at JPL thought it would be cool to dive through the Cassini Division. Cooler heads cautioned that there might be unseen material orbiting in the gap. Good call. It would have made for a spectacular end to the mission, but that wasn't the plan.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:36 pm

Lasse H wrote:... and the music? Barber?


Yes, Barber's Adagio for Strings. I was disappointed that NASA didn't see fit to include a credit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_for_Strings

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby geckzilla » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:18 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
Lasse H wrote:... and the music? Barber?


Yes, Barber's Adagio for Strings. I was disappointed that NASA didn't see fit to include a credit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adagio_for_Strings

Huh. It's been in that link below the video on the APOD page since I saw it. Straight to the wikipedia just like your link.
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby neufer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:40 pm

Steve Dutch wrote:
When Pioneer 11 passed Saturn in 1979, some of the hot-dogger types at JPL thought it would be cool to dive through the Cassini Division. Cooler heads cautioned that there might be unseen material orbiting in the gap. Good call. It would have made for a spectacular end to the mission, but that wasn't the plan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rings_of_ ... uygens_Gap wrote:
<<The Cassini Division is a region 4,800 km in width between Saturn's A Ring and B Ring. It was discovered in 1675 by Giovanni Cassini at the Paris Observatory using a refracting telescope that had a 2.5-inch objective lens with a 20-foot-long focal length and a 90x magnification. From Earth it appears as a thin black gap in the rings. However, Voyager discovered that the gap is itself populated by ring material bearing much similarity to the C Ring. The division may appear bright in views of the unlit side of the rings, since the relatively low density of material allows more light to be transmitted through the thickness of the rings.

The inner edge of the Cassini Division is governed by a strong orbital resonance. Ring particles at this location orbit twice for every orbit of the moon Mimas. The resonance causes Mimas' pulls on these ring particles to accumulate, destabilizing their orbits and leading to a sharp cutoff in ring density. Many of the other gaps between ringlets within the Cassini Division, however, are unexplained.

The Huygens Gap is located at the inner edge of the Cassini Division. It contains the dense, eccentric Huygens Ringlet in the middle. This ringlet exhibits irregular azimuthal variations of geometrical width and optical depth, which may be caused by the nearby 2:1 resonance with Mimas and the influence of the eccentric outer edge of the B-ring. There is an additional narrow ringlet just outside the Huygens Ringlet.>>
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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby De58te » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:58 pm

Beautiful musical clip reminded me of when i watched a certain Stanley Kubrick movie in 1968.

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby Boomer12k » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:19 pm

That was AWESOME!

I was expecting to see CHUNKS of ice as we went through the rings though....

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Re: APOD: Cassini Approaches Saturn (2017 Sep 11)

Postby firstmagnitude » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:45 am

Funeral music? Happy music should be the soundtrack for what was accomplished!


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