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APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by APOD Robot » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:05 am

Image Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View

Explanation: Beautiful spiral galaxy Messier 74 (also known as NGC 628) lies some 32 million light-years away toward the constellation Pisces. An island universe of about 100 billion stars with two prominent spiral arms, M74 has long been admired by astronomers as a perfect example of a grand-design spiral galaxy. M74's central region is brought into a stunning, sharp focus in this recently processed image using publicly available data from the James Webb Space Telescope. The colorized combination of image data sets is from two of Webb's instruments NIRcam and MIRI, operating at near- and mid-infrared wavelengths. It reveals cooler stars and dusty structures in the grand-design spiral galaxy only hinted at in previous space-based views.

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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by Ann » Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:53 am

M74 is regarded as the perfect spiral galaxy. Not only that, but it is regarded as the quintessential spiral galaxy without a bar.

JWST_NGC628_Robert_Eder_V2600h[1].jpg
M74 by NIRcam and MIRI. Image Credit:
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But JWST has revealed that M74 has an incipient bar structure with bar-end enhancements. Bar-end enhancements are regions at the ends of the bar where gas and dust gathers in large quantities, and where barred galaxies display enhanced star formation.

APOD 22 July 2022 M74 NIRcam MIRI Robert Eder annotated.png

So, who knows? M74 may just be on its way to slowly transforming into another version of NGC 1300! Well, not quite, because NGC 1300 really has an extremely prominent bar, and few galaxies can compete with it.

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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by bystander » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:25 am

M74 Like You’ve Never Seen it Before
Universe Today | 2022 Jul 21
The JWST is grabbing headlines and eyeballs as its mission gains momentum. The telescope recently imaged M74 (NGC 628) with its Mid-Infrared Instrument (MIRI). Judy Schmidt, a well-known amateur astronomy image processor, has worked on the image to bring out more detail.

M74 is a large spiral galaxy that holds somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100 billion stars. It’s about 32 million light-years away from us and is a great example of a Grand Design Spiral Galaxy. The JWST imaged the galaxy as part of the PHANGS Survey. PHANGS (Physics at High Angular resolution in Nearby GalaxieS) studies nearby galaxies in high resolution and is intended to “… understand the interplay of the small-scale physics of gas and star formation with galactic structure and galaxy evolution,” according to the PHANGS website.

The survey uses several telescopes to study galaxies, but now that the JWST is operating, it’s making a huge contribution to the effort. ...
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by AVAO » Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:34 am


Is there an explanation for the formation of this mesh-like structure, which becomes visible in the IR?

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jac berne (flickr) Original data: core: NASA, ESA, CSA, STScI (JWST) arms: NASA, ESA (SST:IRAC)
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by Ann » Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:08 am

bystander wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:25 am M74 Like You’ve Never Seen it Before
Universe Today | 2022 Jul 21
The JWST is grabbing headlines and eyeballs as its mission gains momentum. The telescope recently imaged M74 (NGC 628) with its Mid-Infrared Instrument (MIRI). Judy Schmidt, a well-known amateur astronomy image processor, has worked on the image to bring out more detail.

M74 is a large spiral galaxy that holds somewhere in the neighbourhood of 100 billion stars. It’s about 32 million light-years away from us and is a great example of a Grand Design Spiral Galaxy. The JWST imaged the galaxy as part of the PHANGS Survey. PHANGS (Physics at High Angular resolution in Nearby GalaxieS) studies nearby galaxies in high resolution and is intended to “… understand the interplay of the small-scale physics of gas and star formation with galactic structure and galaxy evolution,” according to the PHANGS website.

The survey uses several telescopes to study galaxies, but now that the JWST is operating, it’s making a huge contribution to the effort. ...
I love Geck's (and MIRI's) image!

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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Fri Jul 22, 2022 11:01 am

little transparent bar and small central BH (10 000 suns), can it be correlated?

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Post by Isotropic Metric » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:29 pm

Look at this JWST image! A lens in a lens in a lens!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nasawebbt ... 060832052/
The inset image is lensed by a giant elliptical. The big galaxy in the middle of that inset lenses a galaxy above it, which in turn has an Einstein ring around it. ...And that image of the inset looks a lot like another image below a yellow galaxy in the original image, so there may be a fourth level of lensing. How far back are we looking in the Einstein ring?

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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by orin stepanek » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:30 pm

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The perfect spiral! 8-)
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by daddyo » Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:20 pm

AVAO wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:34 am
Is there an explanation for the formation of this mesh-like structure, which becomes visible in the IR?
Maybe since you now get to see to the inner cores of dense material, your looking at the condensed bars that are driving the formation of all visible material in the galaxy?

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Post by AVAO » Fri Jul 22, 2022 10:09 pm

daddyo wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:20 pm
AVAO wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 5:34 am
Is there an explanation for the formation of this mesh-like structure, which becomes visible in the IR?
Maybe since you now get to see to the inner cores of dense material, your looking at the condensed bars that are driving the formation of all visible material in the galaxy?
ThanX for your explanations. Unfortunately, I don't really understand the concept you describe.

I know the density wave model ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5Us-jonCLA&t=5s ), but I'm not really convinced by this one considering the detailed and complex structures see that WEBB reveals to us. Magnetic forces can create complex structures, but there is still a lot of research to be done. https://www.universetoday.com/144342/ho ... ir-shape/

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Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:33 pm

Robert Eder writes:

NIRCam
F200W - yellow
F300M - blue
F335M - cyan
F360M - red

MIRI
F770W - blue
F1000W - orange
F1130W - green
F2100W - red

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Blue: F435W (B) Green: F555W (V) Red: F656N (Halpha + [N II]) + F814 (I)
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Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 12:58 pm

for a classic barred galaxy NGC 1300
hubblesite has a H-alpha + IR image too
Blue: F435W (B) Green: F555W (V) Red: F814W (I) + F658N (H-alpha) [N II]
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:58 pm

Ann wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:53 am M74 is regarded as the perfect spiral galaxy. Not only that, but it is regarded as the quintessential spiral galaxy without a bar.
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to switch between Hubble and Robert Eder's Webb, I fitted and cropped
M74 h.jpg
Blue 0.435 μm, Green 0.555 μm, Red 0.656 μm narrow (H-alpha) + 0.814 μm
M74 w.jpg
Blue: 3 μm + 7.7 μm, Cyan 3.35 μm, Green: 11.3 μm, Yellow 2 μm, Orange 10 μm, Red 3.6 μm + 21 μm
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by Ann » Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:07 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 1:58 pm
Ann wrote: Fri Jul 22, 2022 4:53 am M74 is regarded as the perfect spiral galaxy. Not only that, but it is regarded as the quintessential spiral galaxy without a bar.
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to switch between Hubble and Robert Eder's Webb, I fitted and cropped
M74 h.jpg Blue 0.435 μm, Green 0.555 μm, Red 0.656 μm narrow (H-alpha) + 0.814 μm
M74 w.jpg Blue: 3 μm + 7.7 μm, Cyan 3.35 μm, Green: 11.3 μm, Yellow 2 μm, Orange 10 μm, Red 3.6 μm + 21 μm
Click to view full size image 1 or image 2
Thanks, Victor, very nice! :D

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Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:36 pm

Ann wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:07 pm Thanks, Victor, very nice! :D
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Here's a fitting of Judy Schmidt's Webb MIR (Red 21 μm, Orange 11.3 μm, Gray 10 μm, Cyan 7.7 μm)
to Hubble.
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:39 pm

2nd try to hang a pic over a pic
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:51 pm

I wonder what the bright red dots are (21 μm).
They can't be brown dwarfs, that would be too faint to loom from another galaxy 30 million ly away.
Are they giant proto-stars in thick dust cloud of 20 μm particles, blocking all the shorter wavelengths?
A passing phase that lasts for, say, 10-100 years so we have never seen the like in Milky Way or Magellanic Cloud?

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:32 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:51 pm I wonder what the bright red dots are (21 μm).
They can't be brown dwarfs, that would be too faint to loom from another galaxy 30 million ly away.
Are they giant proto-stars in thick dust cloud of 20 μm particles, blocking all the shorter wavelengths?
A passing phase that lasts for, say, 10-100 years so we have never seen the like in Milky Way or Magellanic Cloud?
The bright red dots can't be isolated to the light from the 21 μm broad filter. Red is also made up of light from the 10 μm broad filter, the 3.6 μm medium filter (use: brown dwarfs, planets, continuum), and the 2 μm broad filter. So those red dots are a complex mix. To have a better idea what they represent, you'd need to examine the four separate channels that contribute to them.
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:27 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:32 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:51 pm I wonder what the bright red dots are (21 μm).
They can't be brown dwarfs, that would be too faint to loom from another galaxy 30 million ly away.
Are they giant proto-stars in thick dust cloud of 20 μm particles, blocking all the shorter wavelengths?
A passing phase that lasts for, say, 10-100 years so we have never seen the like in Milky Way or Magellanic Cloud?
The bright red dots can't be isolated to the light from the 21 μm broad filter. Red is also made up of light from the 10 μm broad filter, the 3.6 μm medium filter (use: brown dwarfs, planets, continuum), and the 2 μm broad filter. So those red dots are a complex mix. To have a better idea what they represent, you'd need to examine the four separate channels that contribute to them.
But there are acid-red dots with no feed from other filters than «21 μm» wide filter

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:37 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:27 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:32 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 6:51 pm I wonder what the bright red dots are (21 μm).
They can't be brown dwarfs, that would be too faint to loom from another galaxy 30 million ly away.
Are they giant proto-stars in thick dust cloud of 20 μm particles, blocking all the shorter wavelengths?
A passing phase that lasts for, say, 10-100 years so we have never seen the like in Milky Way or Magellanic Cloud?
The bright red dots can't be isolated to the light from the 21 μm broad filter. Red is also made up of light from the 10 μm broad filter, the 3.6 μm medium filter (use: brown dwarfs, planets, continuum), and the 2 μm broad filter. So those red dots are a complex mix. To have a better idea what they represent, you'd need to examine the four separate channels that contribute to them.
But there are acid-red dots with no feed from other filters than «21 μm» wide filter
You determined that by looking at all four of those channels in grayscale?
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Re: APOD: Spiral Galaxy M74: A Sharper View (2022 Jul 22)

Post by VictorBorun » Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:37 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:27 pm But there are acid-red dots with no feed from other filters than «21 μm» wide filter
You determined that by looking at all four of those channels in grayscale?
Here a few of red dots so purely red that they disappear if we remove red from RGB
(to please the eye I added a red channel = halfsum of green and blue)
And they have no counterpart in Hubble's pic
M74 w2 arrows at red dots.jpg
M74 w2 arrows.jpg
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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Jul 23, 2022 11:05 pm

VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 10:34 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:37 pm
VictorBorun wrote: Sat Jul 23, 2022 8:27 pm But there are acid-red dots with no feed from other filters than «21 μm» wide filter
You determined that by looking at all four of those channels in grayscale?
Here a few of red dots so purely red that they disappear if we remove red from RGB
(to please the eye I added a red channel = halfsum of green and blue)
And they have no counterpart in Hubble's pic
M74 w2 arrows at red dots.jpg
M74 w2 arrows.jpg
M74 h2 arrows.jpg
I would not attempt to draw any such conclusions from examining the color image.
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