Eta Carinae Fatal pulse (APOD 26 Mar 2006)

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Eta Carinae

by pamcse » Wed Apr 25, 2007 1:46 pm

APOD 26 Mar 2006 ( http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap060326.html )

Super picture... Description makes me wonder how such a structure could be formed. How about this idea?

If a relatively large object were orbiting Eta Carinae, the object would prevent the star's expulsion of gas and dust from being spherical. Instead, the object would 'deflect' the gas and dust expelled toward it -- creating this 'wasp waist' effect. Such a scenario would also account for the 'wisps' noted in the description. Some of the gas and dust not repelled/deflected by the large object would converge on the side opposite the star -- like an eddy downstream of a bridge pier.

Any thoughts??

by harry » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:40 am

Hello All


Eta Carinae

Has already a Neutron Core

It is so massive that it will go through many stages of ejecting its atmosphere and leaving behind it the core to regenerate new shells. I maybe wrong here. But! why should the star completely explode and go through the process of collapsing.

In this case we do have the evidence that 150 years ago it did eject its shell.

Star formation links

http://www.ipac.caltech.edu/2mass/galle ... _ysos.html
http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/StarForm.html
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/swas/science1.html
http://www.stsci.edu/stsci/meetings/shst2/ballyj.html


The above links mostly talk about collapsing gas.
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From the link
http://www.etacarinae.iag.usp.br/

Your right Dave it does seem that Eta Carinae is part of a binary system.

by Dave H » Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:16 am

Eta could be a binary system !!!!!!!!!!

http://www.etacarinae.iag.usp.br/

Eta carinae

by ta152h0 » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:59 am

from the shape and direction of both lobes, it appears this thing is going Kaboom in other direction :) You all burning my brain up, need another ice cold one

by Dave H » Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:17 am

Well if these events are beamed witch hasn't been proven we would have to be better off. But we know so little about these events there has only been a few in which we have gotten visual light. But what we do know is Eta is huge and therefore very unstable and not that far away if we consider the amount of energy that could be released in less then 2 min.

by l3p3r » Wed Apr 19, 2006 12:10 am

so at this distance, we'll be fine as long as the poles arent pointed towards us?
I still think this is a wonderful excuse to build a gamma ray proof mini dyson sphere :) make it a comet catcher, too!

eta carinae grb

by ta152h0 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:50 pm

might not be pointed at us, if it ocurrs.

by Dave H » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:24 pm

Yes this is a GRB and allow me to correct myself wnen I say Eta Carinae "will" this is impossible to know because it might of already have done so thousands of years ago and it 's completly impossible to know when the event occured until the day the gamma pulse arrives which may be today!

by BMAONE23 » Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:00 pm

sounds a lot like a GRB

by Dave H » Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:47 pm

Harry,
To some extend we are saying the same thing , I think the key phrase here is acceleration disk.But in the case of our giant meighbor Eta Carinae the core of the star will colapse instantly into black hole while the star is still shining and as out lying matter starts to fall in it locks into a super heating spherical shell at the event horizion of the black hole.The heat and pressure reaches very high levels and in a instant there is a cascade of events that lead to the largest explosions in the universe.

by harry » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:14 am

Hello Dave

Black holes, neutron stars, stars etc are made from plasma.
Plasma makes up about 95% of the mass that we see.

Black holes we cannot not see. As matter breaks up way before it enters the black hole it realeases large amounts of light and this is what we see.

by Dave H » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:37 am

The clogging up is what is required to cause black holes to be some of the most luminous objects in the universe. But all in all black holes have a tiny overall effect.most the mass of the 5% of knowable stuff in the universe is cold dust and gas (very disfused,dark and boring).floating in the incrediblly large space that separates the galaxies. The point is the universe is mainly empty, at least of knowable stuff.

by harry » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:45 am

Hello All

Nothing gets clogged up.

In time all will be sucked in. Where could they run and hide.
Its part of the recycle.

by Dave H » Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:47 am

This Professor has interesting things to say about neutron stars and GRB's. From what I gather these stars have parts core, surface etc.... when they merge to form black holes perhaps the cores merge right through the less dense surface stuff mimicking the hyper nova black hole inside the still existing star for a brief moment picture. That matter that is left out of the black hole formation clogs at the event horizon super heats and blows. Angular momentum has to factor in big also. It’s all way outside of my league but what I do know is that black hole aren’t very efficient eaters and stuff gets clogged up trying to get in, sort of like shoppers trying to get into the Wal-Mart in the day after thanksgiving sale.

http://www.astro.umd.edu/~miller/nstar.html

Dave

by astroton » Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:29 am

Hello All,

This KBoooooooooooom is more interesting....

http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1120/p01s02-ussc.html

by harry » Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:59 am

Hello Starnut

The drive comes from the spin creating jets that eject material out.


http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1627_1.asp

http://universe.nasa.gov/press/2003/030220a.html


Neutron star collision
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/n ... 31203.html

by starnut » Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:20 am

Dave,

Now I remember that APOD posting. Gads, was it 5 years ago?! Thanks for the reminder. Unfortunately, some of the links in the explanation no longer exist. There is a neat movie of a neutron star merger in the link "collision" showing the two stars merging over (!) the Atlantic Ocean, an impossible scenario! At the end of the movie, the merged neutron star disappears, turning, I guess, into a black hole.

But that still doesn't explain how the "decompression of neutron star material" during the merger could enable the neutrons to escape the very deep gravity well! After all, the escape velocity for a neutron star is 1/2c! Is there a process by which a stellar event can accelerate heavy matter like neutrons and protons to such high speed?

gary

by harry » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:49 pm

Hello All

RE link:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010405.html
Where did the gold in your jewelry originate? No one is completely sure. The relative average abundance in our Solar System appears higher than can be made in the early universe, in stars, and even in typical supernova explosions. Some astronomers now suggest that neutron-rich heavy elements such as gold might be most easily made in rare neutron-rich explosions such as the collision of neutron stars

It talks about the early universe. Makes an assumtion that the Big Bang theory is true.
The universe is ageless and recyclic in my opinion. So rather than assuming age, its better to look at the actual process out there.


I had these links in my comp:
Neutron star
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/n ... 31203.html

Star birth

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/StarForm.html
http://www.stsci.edu/stsci/meetings/shst2/ballyj.html
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/swas/science1.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apo ... +Formation
http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/researc ... mation.htm
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu ... imass.html

Star death

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bi ... Death.html
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu ... rnova.html

by Dave H » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:46 pm

I got you on this one Starnut I knew I had read it some place and lo an behold it be our very own beloved APOD

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010405.html

Dave

by starnut » Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:36 pm

Qev

Not only jewelry, but also you, me, and everything else. We are all made of stardust!

gary

by starnut » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:47 pm

ta152h0

I mentioned the next part of Pogge's lecture in my last post. It explains how the rest of the periodic table is created during a supernova. I will give the link here.

http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu ... rnova.html

Dave H

I am not sure if a merger of two neutron stars can produce anything but electromagnetic radiation and gravity wave and possibly a black hole! I would think that the combined gravity would be too strong to allow any matter to escape.

gary

by Qev » Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:26 pm

Iron accumulates at the core of high-mass stars due to a few reasons. First, it's produced there as the 'ash' of silicon fusion, the last fusion stage of large stars. Second, it's the most dense element being produced within the star (by fusion), so it tends to 'sink to the bottom' as it were. And third, even once fusion ceases in the core, silicon fusion continues in a shell around it, and this rains more iron down onto the rapidly growing core.

The core will remain stable until it exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit, I believe (I'm not entirely certain of this). However, once enough iron builds up, the mass of the core exceeds this limit and it very suddenly collapses into (more or less) a neutron star. The outer layers of the star fall inward at nearly half the speed of light, crash into this surface, and rebound. This is the beginning of a supernova explosion. But what truly drives the supernova is the massive release of neutrinos from the core, as protons and electrons combine to form neutrons. This wave of particles blasts the outer layers of the star apart in a huge shockwave.

This is also where gold is generally produced, along with most of the other elements heavier than iron. This blast of neutrinos reacts with the nuclei of other atoms in the stellar material, causing nuclear reactions that build up heavier materials (nucleosynthesis). Many of these products are themselves radioactive, and will decay into other heavy elements.

Kind of strange to think that all your jewellery came from inside a dying star someplace... :lol:

I'm not entirely certain what happens in the case of a dying star where the core mass grows rapidly enough to exceed the Tolman-Oppenheimer-Volkoff limit. It should promptly collapse into a black hole, I would think. This is one of the theoretical sources of those mysterious Gamma-Ray Bursts we keep finding across the sky: a 'hypernova'.

by Dave H » Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:13 pm

Neutron star mergers have been put forth for the best source of gold. These mergers may also the source for short duration gamma ray bursts.

Dave

how is ................

by ta152h0 » Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:51 pm

How is gold and other elements/substances, beyong the iron, made ???

by harry » Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:23 am

Hello All

Happy Easter to one and all.

Thanks astroton, long life and happiness


With respect to the iron,,,,,,,,,,you maybe right.

But! I thought the core would be to dense to allow for any atomic structure to remain stabel. Maybe I'm wrong.

Have to find some sand.

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