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Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by johnnydeep » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:51 pm

FLPhotoCatcher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:07 am
bystander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:25 am
Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...

If Hubble can tease us with a best-ever IR pic of this nebula, then surely James Webb can follow up shortly with its own best.

BTW, Why did it take so many years for Hubble to cough this up? Could it be a race against the Webb?
Image Credit: NASA, ESA, and The Hubble Heritage Team (STSci/AURA)
The infrared image of Barnard 33 (Horsehead Nebula) is actually from April of 2013. It was featured on both HubbleSite and ESA Hubble on 2013 Apr 19 and on APOD on 2013 Apr 22. Today's APOD is Alexandra Nachman's processing of that data.
The original image from hubblesite.org is missing a star or some bright-ish object. It's partly visible behind the lower of the two artifacts at far left on today's image. The evidence of the object was apparently just wiped away in the original image.
This one?

horsehead nebula artifact and hidden star.JPG

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by orin stepanek » Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:00 am

emc used a pink horse head as his avatar! 8-) viewtopic.php?t=15120#p99243

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Sep 22, 2022 2:12 am

FLPhotoCatcher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:26 am
Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:04 am
Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...
Not really. The two instruments have about the same resolution, and are designed for very different things. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Doesn't the Webb have significantly better resolution at shorter wavelengths, and lower resolution at longer wavelengths?
All telescopes have resolution that scales with both aperture and wavelength.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by FLPhotoCatcher » Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:26 am

Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:04 am
Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...
Not really. The two instruments have about the same resolution, and are designed for very different things. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Doesn't the Webb have significantly better resolution at shorter wavelengths, and lower resolution at longer wavelengths?

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by FLPhotoCatcher » Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:07 am

bystander wrote: ↑Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:25 am
Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...

If Hubble can tease us with a best-ever IR pic of this nebula, then surely James Webb can follow up shortly with its own best.

BTW, Why did it take so many years for Hubble to cough this up? Could it be a race against the Webb?
Image Credit: NASA, ESA, and The Hubble Heritage Team (STSci/AURA)
The infrared image of Barnard 33 (Horsehead Nebula) is actually from April of 2013. It was featured on both HubbleSite and ESA Hubble on 2013 Apr 19 and on APOD on 2013 Apr 22. Today's APOD is Alexandra Nachman's processing of that data.
The original image from hubblesite.org is missing a star or some bright-ish object. It's partly visible behind the lower of the two artifacts at far left on today's image. The evidence of the object was apparently just wiped away in the original image.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by bystander » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:25 am

Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...

If Hubble can tease us with a best-ever IR pic of this nebula, then surely James Webb can follow up shortly with its own best.

BTW, Why did it take so many years for Hubble to cough this up? Could it be a race against the Webb?
Image Credit: NASA, ESA, and The Hubble Heritage Team (STSci/AURA)
The infrared image of Barnard 33 (Horsehead Nebula) is actually from April of 2013. It was featured on both HubbleSite and ESA Hubble on 2013 Apr 19 and on APOD on 2013 Apr 22. Today's APOD is Alexandra Nachman's processing of that data.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Chris Peterson » Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:04 am

Uncle Jeff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...
Not really. The two instruments have about the same resolution, and are designed for very different things. You're comparing apples and oranges.
BTW, Why did it take so many years for Hubble to cough this up? Could it be a race against the Webb?
This target was imaged ten years ago. This image was processed from that old data.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Uncle Jeff » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:42 pm

Anything Hubble can do, Webb can do better...

If Hubble can tease us with a best-ever IR pic of this nebula, then surely James Webb can follow up shortly with its own best.

BTW, Why did it take so many years for Hubble to cough this up? Could it be a race against the Webb?

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by What horsehead? » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:38 pm

Infrared is pitiless. Gone, the beloved horsehead. Now it's more like... Image ... the Jar Jar Binks nebula!

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by johnnydeep » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:12 pm

Sa Ji Tario wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:46 pm In the images of the dates mentioned by De58te you can see 5 or 6 galaxies (because it is repeated), but this one is saturated, where in the others there are stars, in this one there are galaxies
The link to the flickr page for the image links in turn to two Hubble .fits files which I found here: https://archive.stsci.edu/prepds/heritage/horsehead/

I don't know how to view .fits format file (though NASA has a downloadable viewer here - https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/soft ... nload.html - haven't tried it yet), and there are interactive versions at the link that also don't show anything in my browser. But the preview shows all the galaxies. The pictures were stacked over multiple days of viewing.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by johnnydeep » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:07 pm

FLPhotoCatcher wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:23 am Did someone photoshop out a couple of UFOs on the left? :?
Nicely spotted. "Artifacts" no doubt.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Sa Ji Tario » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:46 pm

In the images of the dates mentioned by De58te you can see 5 or 6 galaxies (because it is repeated), but this one is saturated, where in the others there are stars, in this one there are galaxies

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Sa Ji Tario » Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:33 pm

In no similar image did so many galaxies appear as in this one, is it that they are inserted to decorate? but that's how they confuse. This is the second time I see it and it draws no attention

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by MarkBour » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:59 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:30 pm
Joe45 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:03 am When did Hubble start operating in the infrared ?
Near-IR extends out to around 2 micrometers, where we're still seeing what we might think of as ordinary light. Uncooled silicon sensors such as those on the HST can be used to that wavelength (and the HST has filters out that far). Longer than that and we're either seeing thermal emissions or highly redshifted light. For that you need cooled sensors made of more exotic materials. That's what we're now seeing from the JWST.

At the near-IR wavelengths Hubble can detect, we're mostly seeing IR used to cut through dust that is opaque at shorter wavelengths.
Interesting! Before you said this, I assumed that the JWST had very cold sensors thanks to its sunshield and space environment. But I now see on Wikipedia that for the MIRI cam, they had to make the sensors even cooler and developed a super-cool (pun intended) cryocooler for it. So, at about 30-40 Kelvin, they have a refrigerator that takes it down to 7 Kelvin. Radical.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by De58te » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:54 pm

Orin Stepanek wrote, "I thought this photo showed up before."

Yup, searching APOD for Horsehead In Infrared Hubble, I found 3 entries before, on Apr 12 2020, June 8 2016, and April 22 2013. I stopped scrolling at that point. But today's version seems to be processed more longer. The reds are more brighter, and the blues are also more brighter.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Chris Peterson » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:30 pm

Joe45 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:03 am When did Hubble start operating in the infrared ?
Near-IR extends out to around 2 micrometers, where we're still seeing what we might think of as ordinary light. Uncooled silicon sensors such as those on the HST can be used to that wavelength (and the HST has filters out that far). Longer than that and we're either seeing thermal emissions or highly redshifted light. For that you need cooled sensors made of more exotic materials. That's what we're now seeing from the JWST.

At the near-IR wavelengths Hubble can detect, we're mostly seeing IR used to cut through dust that is opaque at shorter wavelengths.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by bystander » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:02 pm

Joe45 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:03 am When did Hubble start operating in the infrared ?
Hubble can see from 0.1 to 2.5 microns, so it operates from ultraviolet to near infrared.

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by orin stepanek » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:07 pm

Oh yeah; Happy 23rd Hubble Space Telescope! Thanks for all the Space views! 8-) 🥰

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by orin stepanek » Wed Sep 21, 2022 12:08 pm

Orion2010Labeled_andreo600h.jpg
A nice annotated view of the Orion Constellation!
HorseheadIr_HubbleNachman_960.jpg
I thought this photo showed up before! Still worth a look! 8-)
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Who needs a paper shredder when you have a dog! :mrgreen:

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by MightyOg » Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:51 am

...and suddenly I see the Martian from George Pal's 'War of the Worlds.'
Image

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by heehaw » Wed Sep 21, 2022 9:17 am

After seeing bazillion photos of Horsehead ... this is the best ever!

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by Joe45 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 8:03 am

When did Hubble start operating in the infrared ?

Re: APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by FLPhotoCatcher » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:23 am

Did someone photoshop out a couple of UFOs on the left? :?

APOD: The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared... (2022 Sep 21)

by APOD Robot » Wed Sep 21, 2022 4:05 am

Image The Horsehead Nebula in Infrared from Hubble

Explanation: While drifting through the cosmos, a magnificent interstellar dust cloud became sculpted by stellar winds and radiation to assume a recognizable shape. Fittingly named the Horsehead Nebula, it is embedded in the vast and complex Orion Nebula (M42). A potentially rewarding but difficult object to view personally with a small telescope, the featured gorgeously detailed image was taken in infrared light by the orbiting Hubble Space Telescope. The dark molecular cloud, roughly 1,500 light years distant, is cataloged as Barnard 33 and is seen above primarily because it is backlit by the nearby massive star Sigma Orionis. The Horsehead Nebula will slowly shift its apparent shape over the next few million years and will eventually be destroyed by high energy starlight.

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