Southern Moonscape, lunar craters (APOD 23 Aug 2007)

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by FieryIce » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:35 pm

Noel, non-round craters are not “processing artifacts”. Chuck Wood’s LPOD for September 16, 2007 clearly demonstrates “framelet lines” in the Lunar Orbiter images.

Image

by makc » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:18 am

Nereid wrote:Four (!) threads on the same APOD merged.
Yep... I haven't visit f=9 for a while :oops:

by Nereid » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:23 pm

Four (!) threads on the same APOD merged.

by Wes » Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:07 am

Hi Noel,

No problem , I agree that deconvolution/contrast enhancement may have made it more prominent looking in the final image.
Tycho might be a good candidate alright for the features in question.

Thanks,

Wes Higgins

by NoelC » Tue Aug 28, 2007 9:24 pm

Wes, I stand corrected - my apologies; it's obviously not from the processing now I see your raw image data, though deconvolution/contrast enhancement may have made it more prominent looking in the final image.

Besides the slight possibility of slight diagonal banding or smearing in the camera (not unheard of), it occurred to me there is a much greater possibility that a large, and relatively recent impact - e.g., Tycho - could have sent material across the surface and result in what appears to be a diagonal bias such as we see here. Shadows subdividing the bias tend to give it a "cut up" appearance, almost like a second bias.

Thanks for posting your raw image, Wes.

Oh, and by the way, it's a very impressive closeup! Well done!

-Noel

by Wes » Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:34 pm

In order to try and provide an answer to the processing question here is a link to a raw frame of my Moretus image .
As can easily be seen in the raw frame the linear features are indeed real geological lunar features, the lighting may be enhancing the linear features to a certain extent though.

http://higginsandsons.com/astro/images/ ... -FRAME.jpg

Thanks,

Wes Higgins

by gcsievers » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:47 pm

Yes - I did notice that. Which makes my observaton even more specious.

by NoelC » Tue Aug 28, 2007 5:37 pm

I believe them to be processing artifacts. The image appears to be the result of the combination of a lot of data and aggressive digital deconvolution to increase detail.

Note that the artifacts are more oriented to the angle of the light (or possibly to slight motion in the telescope while shooting) than to the shape of the moon.

-Noel

by gcsievers » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:52 pm

Thank you for responding yet again. I have NO idea what I am seeing and, as I said, it may be just a function of the perspective view. Either that or, at one time the moon had an atmosphere of some kind, someone punched a hole in it and it all rushed out thru this hole blowing the dust around. :lol:

by FieryIce » Sun Aug 26, 2007 2:09 pm

gcsievers wrote:...you mentioned scarring. I don't know about scarring but a series of small meteorite strikes all coming from the same general direction might make sense.
That's what they thought of Phobos and proved themselves wrong.

The First Mars Express Science Conference had four presentations specifically about the research done concerning Phobos.
1st Mars Express Conference Presentations

In the PDF presentation by John Murray et al., the images of Phobos specifically the leading edge of Phobos does not show the leading edge crater chains to be larger than the trailing edge crater chains so their theory that Phobos flew through Mars debris or flew through ejecta debris is not valid or was not validated.

by craterchains » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:21 pm

Even on Mars are craters that are not round, , ,

http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20070823a

There everywhere, there everywhere, ,

by Case » Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:06 pm

BMAONE23 wrote:I just noticed that the crater at the bottom of the rotated image is hexagonal
"That's no moon, that's a space station."

by BMAONE23 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:22 pm

I just noticed that the crater at the bottom of the rotated image is hexagonal

Re: crater upon crater

by Chris Peterson » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:17 pm

grayness wrote:Why are there so many craters on the moon and how often do they hit?
We don't see as many on other planets do we?
About 4 billion years ago, something happened that flung a lot of material into the inner Solar System. This was the Late Heavy Bombardment, which isn't well understood, but may be related to an orbital resonance between Jupiter and Saturn. In any case, most of the cratering in the Solar System, including that on the Moon, happened back then. It is preserved on the Moon, on Mercury, and maybe on some of Jupiter's and Saturn's large moons because they are airless and geologically stable. We don't see much on Venus, Earth, Mars, and many moons because they have active processes, either tectonic or atmospheric, that reshape the surface over millions or hundreds of millions of years (the process is slower on Mars, so we do see significant cratering, although much less than on the Moon).

Cratering since then has been much more sporadic and rare. Gravitational effects of the planets, especially Jupiter, serve to keep the inner Solar System relatively clear of debris. Small meteoroids hit the Moon regularly, but these are not large enough to make craters visible from Earth. Events large enough to produce craters ~1km across probably happen every few tens of thousands of years. Amateurs and professionals armed with video cameras and small telescopes record multiple impacts on the Moon during many meteor showers.

by FieryIce » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:15 pm

There is a Partial Solar Eclipse on September 11, 2007, also.

Partial Solar Eclipse

Oh fasinating, a live feed from NASA of the lunar eclipse on the 28th.

Image

Path of the Moon through Earth's umbral and penumbral shadows during the Total Lunar Eclipse of Aug. 28, 2007.
(Pacific Daylight Time)

by gcsievers » Fri Aug 24, 2007 3:06 pm

A figment of my imagination? That is possible. At my age there are several figments of my imagination lying around. However, you mentioned scarring. I don't know about scarring but a series of small meteorite strikes all coming from the same general direction might make sense.

Like the "face" on Mars, I need to see this same spot from a different angle. Any links to other pictures of the same area?

by craterchains » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:35 pm

Lets not forget the Lunar Eclipse for parts of the world on the 28th this month. :D

by DonB312 » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:29 pm

For reference here is the image from the APOD rotated 90 degrees clockwise:
Image

Don Bush

by FieryIce » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:10 pm

William Roeder, you are directing Lucretia to Dr. Phil’s forum of deceit and lies.

This does illustrate the concave vs convex perception.
Example from that link:

Image Image


But this does not, just more BA bull.

Image Image

by FieryIce » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:56 pm

After personally scrutinizing thousands or what might even be thousands upon thousands of images of planetary bodies in our solar system with similar markings, the goddess Nereid’s “modern concordance cosmological models” or the only “scientific game in town” would have you believe these strafe like marks (scarring) to be just a figment of your imagination.

Re: APOD 23rd August 2007 - Lunar Craters

by William Roeder » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:54 pm

Lucretia wrote:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070823.html

Is it just me, or does anyone else have real problems resolving these kind of images as craters and not bumps?
It takes me a good few minutes of squinting and staring and looking at other details before I can perceive the craters as concave. :shock:

Does anyone else get this problem :?:
Very common
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/ho ... m.html#con

APOD 23rd August 2007 - Lunar Craters

by Lucretia » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:38 am

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070823.html

Is it just me, or does anyone else have real problems resolving these kind of images as craters and not bumps?
It takes me a good few minutes of squinting and staring and looking at other details before I can perceive the craters as concave. :shock:

Does anyone else get this problem :?:

August 23 APOD

by gcsievers » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:32 am

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070823.html

This picture shows lines in a NNE direction (if N was up) that almost look like dust blown by a wind. We all know that is unlikely if not impossible but then, what is the cause of the lines? Are they an artifact of the foreshortened perspective?

Look especially at the left middle area just left of the crater mentioned in the text. It is one of the brighter areas in the picture.

by BMAONE23 » Thu Aug 23, 2007 9:18 pm

Interesting that the gas fields lie along the circular rim of this impact
http://www.unb.ca/passc/ImpactDatabase/images/avak.htm

by FieryIce » Thu Aug 23, 2007 8:57 pm

GGaskill wrote:In a dense crater field such as that, the walls of newer craters distort the geometry of the older ones.
Where is the dense field of craters with the "Barringer Crater"?

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