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Don't bury me on this prairie

Post by neufer » Sat Sep 18, 2010 3:16 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/17/AR2010091705373.html wrote:
Could the garbage heap help save us from global warming?
By Hugh Price (Director of production planning at The Washington Post.)
Saturday, September 18, 2010

<<In New Haven, W.Va., the Mountaineer Power Plant is using a complicated chemical process to capture about 1.5 percent of the carbon dioxide it produces. The gas is cooled to a liquid at a pressure of about 95 atmospheres and pumped 2,375 meters down to a sandstone formation, where it is meant to remain indefinitely. The objective is to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide being added to the atmosphere from the coal burning at the plant.

This certainly seems to be doing it the hard way. Extracting just this 1.5 percent of the CO2 from the plant's flue requires a $100 million investment, and whether the gas will remain underground or bubble to the surface is in question.

Fortunately, there is a way to capture and store excess carbon from the atmosphere that is cheap, efficient and environmentally friendly. It relies on two technologies that have been in use for more than 8,000 years: agriculture and the garbage heap.

Some basics: Plants absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and convert it to sugars and other organic compounds. Some of this carbon is burned by the plant, and the rest is used to increase the plant's mass. If the plant or its components are eaten by an animal, some of that carbon will be burned by the animal, with the remainder used to increase the animal's mass. When the plant or animal dies, the remains are generally consumed by bacteria, which burn some of the carbon and use the remainder to create more bacteria.

When this process is in equilibrium, living things return as much carbon to the atmosphere as plants take out of it. And the CO2 generated by these organic processes is exactly the same as the CO2 released by burning coal or oil.

With an overabundance of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it is reasonable to ask, "Where are the plants?" Why hasn't the Earth's vegetation grown larger and faster to absorb the additional CO2? The answer is that it probably has. Some of the 20th century's improvement in crop yields may be due to higher concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere. Nevertheless, eventually those plants die or are eaten, returning their carbon to the atmosphere. To remove CO2 from the atmosphere, the plant material has to be prevented from decomposing.

Any gardener knows that compost heaps must be turned regularly. Without access to oxygen, bacteria cannot break down plant material. The principle can be harnessed for carbon capture: All that is necessary is to pile the plants high enough, and the carbon at the bottom will stay put indefinitely. After all, this is how all that coal and oil formed in the first place.

Piles of plant material are not like ordinary landfills, of course. There is no need to worry about toxins leaching into the water supply. No elaborate liner or monitoring is required. Plant material need not be transported to distant sites or pumped underground but can be piled up where it grows. It is not even necessary to cover the heap with soil.

The most obvious target for such a technique is agricultural waste. Worldwide carbon dioxide emissions in 2006 were estimated at about 28 billion metric tons, of which the United States was responsible for 5.8 billion. That represents about 1.6 billion tons of carbon.

In 2009, the combined U.S. production of corn, wheat and soybeans was 487 million metric tons. That production measures the usable part of the plants. It is reasonable to believe that there is at least as much material in unused stalks and leaves. If just this material were stored rather than burned or plowed under, it could compensate for almost a quarter of the U.S. carbon footprint. The Mountaineer Power Plant could match the captured carbon of its high-tech approach by piling up the plant waste from 12,000 acres of farmland, at a tiny fraction of the cost.

Other land could be managed to maximize carbon capture. There are millions of acres of woodlands in North America where trees are grown for paper and lumber. Can leaves, bark and branches that are now discarded or burned be piled up instead? Is it more beneficial to recycle paper or to collect it?

Instead of trying to manufacture ethanol from switchgrass, would it be more effective to burn oil and bury the switchgrass? We sometimes pay farmers not to grow crops to sustain prices; should we pay them to grow otherwise useless crops and stockpile them?

The biggest problem with this approach may be that it's so low-tech. No green-technology subsidies are required, so there may not be a natural constituency for it. On the other hand, environmentalists should love it. What could be greener than growing plants? And for those concerned about the economy, this approach provides a low-cost method of reducing the country's carbon footprint without increasing the cost of energy. It is also reversible. If current concerns about CO2 concentrations turn out to be unwarranted, the stockpiled material will be readily available for use. What could be simpler?>>
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Re: Don't bury me on this prairie

Post by rstevenson » Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:26 pm

The article seems to have been written by a non-farmer, as any farmer can immediately spot the gaff. (The author is described as "Director of production planning at The Washington Post", which I suspect would ordinarily not qualify him to wite on matters agricultural. But perhaps he tends a garden on the weekends.) If I, a consumer with a strong interest in farming but only some basic knowledge of farm practices can spot it, I wonder why the article ever saw print. And the gaff? ...

Soil will not go on producing plants indefinitely unless you put something back into it. If you do it the old fashioned way, you put plant and animal wastes back in. If you do it the modern dumb way, you spend lots of money on chemical fertilizers. So if you try to sequester CO2 the way this article suggests, you have to use increasingly larger amounts of these fertilizers (some of which is derived from natural gas) to keep the land producing. There are many problems related to using only chemical fertilizers, none of which are touched on in this proposal.

In short, it ain't that easy!

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Re: Don't bury me on this prairie

Post by neufer » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:50 am

rstevenson wrote:
The article seems to have been written by a non-farmer, as any farmer can immediately spot the gaff. (The author is described as "Director of production planning at The Washington Post", which I suspect would ordinarily not qualify him to wite on matters agricultural. But perhaps he tends a garden on the weekends.) If I, a consumer with a strong interest in farming but only some basic knowledge of farm practices can spot it, I wonder why the article ever saw print. And the gaff? ...

Soil will not go on producing plants indefinitely unless you put something back into it. If you do it the old fashioned way, you put plant and animal wastes back in. If you do it the modern dumb way, you spend lots of money on chemical fertilizers. So if you try to sequester CO2 the way this article suggests, you have to use increasingly larger amounts of these fertilizers (some of which is derived from natural gas) to keep the land producing. There are many problems related to using only chemical fertilizers, none of which are touched on in this proposal.

In short, it ain't that easy!
  • 1) We are talking about growing sawgrass or switchgrass here NOT corn, wheat, or oats.
    No one needs to fertilize for sawgrass or switchgrass.

    2) Replenishment of nutrients & organic matter can be accomplished by regular crop rotation
    with some green manure crop like clover or vetch which will be plowed under.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_manure wrote:
<<In agriculture, a green manure is a type of cover crop grown primarily to add nutrients and organic matter to the soil. Typically, a green manure crop is grown for a specific period, and then plowed under and incorporated into the soil.

Green manures usually perform multiple functions, that include soil improvement and soil protection:

* Leguminous green manures such as clover and vetch contain nitrogen-fixing symbiotic bacteria in root nodules that fix atmospheric nitrogen in a form that plants can use.

* Green manures increase the percentage of organic matter (biomass) in the soil, thereby improving water retention, aeration, and other soil characteristics.

* The root systems of some varieties of green manure grow deep in the soil and bring up nutrient resources unavailable to shallower-rooted crops.

* Common cover crop functions of weed suppression and prevention of soil erosion and compaction are often also taken into account when selecting and using green manures.

* Some green manure crops, when allowed to flower, provide forage for pollinating insects.>>
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Re: Don't bury me on this prairie

Post by rstevenson » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:37 pm

He's talking about taking a great deal more out of the soil than he's putting back. Just another form of perpetual motion machine.

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Post by Henning Makholm » Sun Sep 19, 2010 3:49 pm

neufer wrote:No one needs to fertilize for sawgrass or switchgrass.

2) Replenishment of nutrients & organic matter can be accomplished by regular crop rotation
with some green manure crop like clover or vetch which will be plowed under.
Sawgrass and switchgrass certainly do need nutrients to grow. They can get carbon and oxygen from the air and hydrogen from rain, but need to get nitrogen and phosphorus from the soil. Some manure crops can fix nitrogen from the air (and release it to the soil when they're plowed under), but there's no phosphorus in the air to fix. It may be present in soil minerals, but dissolves too slowly to keep up with the demand if you continually remove biomass from the ecosystem.

Lack of (bioavailable) potassium can also become a problem.
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Re: Don't bury me on this prairie

Post by Ann » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:49 pm

I talked to a man whose job it is to look after trees in my hometown of Malmö. He showed me two linden trees of the same species which were planted some twenty years ago on opposite sides of the street of Föreningsgatan. One was big, tall and lush, with a big crown and an abundance of leaves. The other appeared to be barely half as big as the first one. "The big one has managed to send roots down to an underground source of water," he said. "That tree can drink as much water as it likes. The other one can't. That is the reason for their difference in size." The man added that he had come to believe that nutrients in the soil weren't very important for the health of trees. "Access to plenty of water and daylight is what matters," he told me.

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Post by Henning Makholm » Sun Sep 19, 2010 8:24 pm

Ann wrote:The man added that he had come to believe that nutrients in the soil weren't very important for the health of trees. "Access to plenty of water and daylight is what matters," he told me.
As long as there are enough nutrients in the soil, even more of them are not going to cause greater growth. But if there's too little, it can become the limiting factor. These various resources are not substitutable.

I can imagine that deep-rooted plants such as trees that can reach flowing groundwater probably aren't as dependent on strictly local phosphate sources as field crops that grow only for one or a few years.
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