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Re: 10 reasons

Post by Ann » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:32 am

Beyond wrote:
But what about the things that came out after Edward de Vere died?? Who wrote, or kept quiet about those???
The more you two discuss this, the more my thought about the writer of Shakespeare being an alien, seems to fit in better.
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Yup!

William Shakespeare the alien with a bowling ball which is really the skull that Hamlet cradled so affectionately.









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Post by neufer » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:54 am

Ann wrote:
Okay, you have an argument, Art.
I take that. 8-)
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by neufer » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:11 am

Beyond wrote:
But what about the things that came out after Edward de Vere died??
Who wrote, or kept quiet about those???
If you mean the topical references in the works:

The best cipher evidence in the First Folio points the Roger Manners,
the 5th Earl of Rutland; but it could have been a lot of people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Mann ... of_Rutland
http://www.shakespeare-authorship.org.u ... anners.htm
http://www.shakespeareanauthorshiptrust ... anners.htm
http://www.luminarium.org/encyclopedia/rutland5.htm
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/Roger ... and%29.htm
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by Beyond » Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:04 pm

Yup! Looks like you'd better write your Novel and straighten all this stuff out, Art. Think you'll get it done by Party Time New Years Eve :?: :b: :?:

Even after perusing your latest links, i still lean toward an alien as doing all the writing. There's just toooo many things that even though they look good, just don't quite fit together.
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Post by bystander » Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:40 pm

'Anonymous' claims about Shakespeare ignore history
CNN | Stanley Wells | 2011 Oct 28

Stanley Wells refutes Roland Emmerich's claims on CNN
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One "Thomas Greene, alias Shakspere" was buried
in Stratford-upon-Avon on March the 6th, 1590.
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<<Thomas Greene, son of Thomas Greene and Isabel Lingen, married
Lettice Tutt of West Meane, Southampton by whom he had six children
including an Anne (b. 1604) and a William (b. 1608). He is also the
same Thomas Greene who contributed a commentary poem to the 1603
edition of Michael Drayton's _The Baron's Wars_. Lived in Stratford.
Family was descended from the "Tamworth" Greenes. Apprentice to the
Law in the "Middle Temple" 1623. Lived for a while in Bristow.>>
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<<[Among Thomas Greene's fellow students at the Middle Temple]
there was *John MANNINGham* , the now-famous diarist who described
a performance of *Twelfth Night* in the Middle Temple hall on
February 2, 1602 and told a bawdy anecdote about Shakespeare
and Richard Burbage. Manningham knew *GREENE* ,
and quotes him in his diary for February 5, 1603:
.
"There is best sport always when you put a woman on the case.">>
.
Greene was called to the bar that summer, after which he moved
to Stratford (where he had already represented the town
in some business matters) and became town clerk.>>
. - p.384 _Shakespeare a life_ by Park Honan
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___ All's Well That Ends Well Act 1, Scene 1

HELENA: O, were that all! I think not on my father;
. And these great tears grace his remembrance more
. Than those I shed for him. What was he like?
. I have forgot him: my imagination
. Carries no favour in't but Bertram's.
. I am undone: there is no living, none,
. If Bertram be away. 'Twere all one
. That I should love a bright particular star
. And think to wed it, he is so above me:
. In his bright radiance and collateral light
. Must I be comforted, not in his sphere.
. The ambition in my love thus plagues itself:
. The hind that would be mated by the lion
. Must die for love. 'Twas pretty, though plague,
. To see him every hour; to sit and draw
. His arched brows, his hawking eye, his curls,
. In our heart's table; heart too capable
. Of every line and trick of his sweet favour:
. But now he's gone, and my idolatrous fancy
. Must sanctify his reliques. Who comes here?.

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HELENA: Our remedies oft in ourselves do lie,
. Which we ascribe to heaven: the fated sky
. Gives us free scope, only doth backward pull
. Our slow designs when we ourselves are dull.
. What power is it which mounts my love so high,
. That makes me see, and cannot feed mine eye?
. The mightiest space in fortune nature brings
. To join like likes and kiss like native things.
. Impossible be strange attempts to those
. That weigh their pains in sense and do suppose
. What hath been cannot be: who ever strove
. So show her merit, that did miss her love?
. The king's disease--my project may deceive me,
. But my intents are fix'd and will not leave me.

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bystander wrote:'Anonymous' claims about Shakespeare ignore history
CNN | Stanley Wells | 2011 Oct 28
Stanley Wells wrote:
It is now possible to take courses in the authorship of Shakespeare at Concordia University, Vermont and Brunel University, England.
http://libarts.wsu.edu/english/Michael%20Delahoyde.html wrote:
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<<Dr. Michael Delahoyde has been teaching at Washington State University since 1992. Earlier details are sketchy. He locates his birth in Poughkeepsie, NY on a cold July day after the war. He won a John Philip Sousa award for his fine bassoonism and did not attend the prom. Disturbingly unable to focus, he earned degrees in English, Music, and Education at the Vassar College for Wayward Women. Delahoyde hid out at the University of Michigan through the Reagan years, emerging with a licence to practice English, a bucket of dreams, and a Depression-era song in his heart.

Dr. D. has published articles on Shakespeare, Chaucer, dinosaur films, children's toys, and meat ads. A batch of popular culture encyclopedia articles on film and music also appeared. Delahoyde has been consulted and interviewed by producers at the Discovery Channel and Cinema Secrets, and by various magazines. He is Senior Editor of the Rocky Mountain Review of Language and Literature.

Delahoyde is currently obsessed with his heretical work in the Shakespeare Authorship Controversy.
On back burners are popular culture topics and interdisciplinary Humanities projects.>>
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by owlice » Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:32 pm

Shakespeare didn't author his works = literature's moon landing hoax?
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Shakespeare Droeshout engraving = Shroud of Turin

Post by neufer » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:18 pm

owlice wrote:
Shakespeare didn't author his works = literature's moon landing hoax?
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Martin DROESHOUT(HERODOTUS) Jr.
  • Shakespeare Droeshout engraving = Shroud of Turin

    {And you didn't want to debate. 8-) }
Stratfordianism is mostly a orthodox fundamentalist religion
with its pilgrimage location being Stratford upon Avon.

DROESHOUT : {anagram}
HERODOTUS : "Father of Lies"

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April 26, 1564, Will Shakspere baptized.
April 26, 1601, Martin DROESHOUT(HERODOTUS) Jr. baptized.
April 26, 1607, Capt. John Smith & 143 others land in Virginia
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<<The "sun-never-sets" image begins with HERODOTUS
__ (Xerxes braging about the glory of the Persian Empire).
Reworkings of HERODOTUS' "sun-never-sets" phrase can be found in:
Daniel Webster, Schiller, Sir Walter Scott, & Capt. John Smith.>> - Don Gifford
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Daniel Defoe went into hiding the last year of his life
& died in Ropemaker's Alley, Moorfields on April 26, 1731.
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<<The engraving on the [Martin DROESHOUT] doublet is quite intricate but on closer inspection it seems to show... the front of the right arm is on one side but, 'without doubt', the back of the left arm on the other side. The picture was given to two tailoring journals. 'The Tailor and Cutter', March 1911 and 'The Gentleman's Tailor', April 1911 . Both these trade journals agreed that the figure was clothed in a coat composed of the back and the front of the same left arm. This was proved by cutting out the two halves of the coat and showing them shoulder to shoulder.>>
http://www.william-shakespeare.info/william-shakespeare-droeshout-engraving.htm wrote:
William Shakespeare : The Droeshout Engraving

<<Many opinions have been expressed about the copper engraving picture - and they are far from complimentary. "Ludicrous" and "Monstrous" are some terms that have been consistently applied. Sam Schoenbaum the author of Shakespeare's Lives, wrote the following:

"...a huge head, placed against a starched ruff, surmounts an absurdly small tunic with oversized shoulder-wings...Light comes from several directions simultaneously: it falls on the bulbous protuberance of forehead ... that 'horrible hydrocephalous development', as it has been called ... creates and odd crescent under the right eye..." - Sam Schoenbaum

"A hard, wooden, staring thing." - Richard Grant White

"Even in its best state, it is such a monstrosity that, I for one, do not believe that it has any trustworthy exemplar." - C. M. Ingleby

"The face is long and the forehead high; the one ear which is visible is shapeless; the top of the head is bald, but the hair falls in abundance over the ears." - Sir Sidney Lee

Well, at first glance one cannot help but agree! So what on earth was Martin Droeshout the engraver thinking of? Surely such an illustration, on an important 900 page document, commissioned by the powerful Pembroke family would have been immediately rejected as quite grotesque? Why did they choose Droeshout as the engraver? Would they really have entrusted such an important task to a raw apprentice, apparently incompetent, with no talent and no sense of proportion or perspective?

Martin Droeshout made engravings of many famous and important people. These included John Donne, the Duke of Buckingham, the Bishop of Durham, the Marquis of Hamilton and Lord Coventry. Most significant is that in 1631 Martin Droeshout was commissioned with the second edition of Crooke's "Mikrokosmographia" this was a massive folio containing over 1000 pages. He therefore must have had an excellent reputation as an accomplished engraver. So is there may be more to the First Folio engraving than meets the eye.

There are many peculiarities about the engraving which have strengthened the arguments of the Shakespeare Identity and Authorship Problem. The following comments and speculations have been made by various experts about the engraving.

The Head: The head is out of all proportion with the body. There is a peculiar line running from the ear down to the chin. Does this signify that the face is in fact a mask? The mask speculation was suggested by Sir Edwin Durning-Lawrence (author of Bacon is Shakespeare) who stated that it was a cunningly drawn cryptographic picture. Could it be an Actor's mask or even someone's Death Mask? Is it a mask attached to the back of someone's head? It has also been suggested that the eyes are wrong as they are in fact two left eyes. So we start the trail of the possible concealed messages in the Martin Droeshout engraving of William Shakespeare...

The Doublet: The engraving on the doublet is quite intricate but on closer inspection it seems to show according to Sir Edwin Durning-Lawrence, author of 'Bacon is Shakespeare', the front of the right arm is on one side but, 'without doubt', the back of the left arm on the other side. The picture was given to two tailoring journals. 'The Tailor and Cutter', March 1911 and 'The Gentleman's Tailor', April 1911 . Both these trade journals agreed that the figure was clothed in a coat composed of the back and the front of the same left arm. This was proved by cutting out the two halves of the coat and showing them shoulder to shoulder.

We are not tailors but these experts seem to be adamant that the figure was clothed in a coat composed of the back and the front of the same left arm. And indeed it does look like this, but we were still uneasy about the whole subject. During our research into engravings we found a similar doublet! The engraving below depicts The Duke of Brunswick and Sir Francis Bacon. Same peculiarity with the doublet, the face appears to be split into two distinct halves depicting both Brunswick and Bacon. We then started to look at portraits from the era and found another similar doublet. Are the expert tailors incorrect? Have any recent investigations by tailors been made into this theory? Can any historians confirm whether doublets were occasionally designed this way?

The Collar: It has been suggested that the type of collar depicted on the engraving did not exist. This is not a style of collar that has ever been traced to any one else during this era, it appears to be completely unique. The head does not appear to be connected to the body but is sitting on the collar. We were intrigued by the Droeshout picture. The collar, as depicted, would have been an impossible part of Shakespeare's apparel - the collar looks solid, it has no fastenings, how would you put this on? So we looked at the collar at all angles - if it was not a collar what else could it possibly be?

We were intrigued by the Droeshout picture. The collar, as depicted, would have been an impossible part of Shakespeare's apparel - the collar looks solid, it has no fastenings, how would you put this on? So we looked at the collar at all angles - if it was not a collar what else could it possibly be? It suddenly dawned on us that it looked like a shield. We cannot trace any other authors who have made a similar suggestion in relation to a collar / shield theory.

It is really odd but once the observation has been made you can no longer see the collar as anything but a shield. The shape of the collar would be an unusual design for a shield as it has a concave, or bowed, top. All of the shields that we were familiar with had a straight top. There also appears to be a shield within a shield. Did such a shield design exist? Was there some significance to a shield within a shield? Our next step, of course, was to trace any shields of a similar design with the distinctive concave top shape. The image illustrates the premise, together with our findings, and provides the opportunity for our visitors to take an even closer look.

From our research and investigations it would appear that, according to 17th century heraldic rules, a shield within a shield signifies brethren. (Ref: A Display of Heraldire (1610) by John Guillim - this states that "this sort of imborduring heere spoken of, to be of the number of differences of brethren") It is perhaps no coincidence that the First Folio was dedicated to the two Pembroke brothers, Philip and William, referred to in the dedication of the Folio as 'the most Noble and incomparable paire of Brethren' Their father the Earl of Pembroke was the leader of the English Rosicrucian movement and their mother was the Countess of Pembroke. After looking at hundreds of shields, we have only been able to trace one authentic shield that fits the description...>>
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Many Elizabethans (e.g., Edward Dyer & Francis Bacon) were Rosicrucians
In Folio's 2,3, & 4 {Rosencrantz <=> Rosenkreutz} was ROSINCROSS
[In the first Quarto {Rosencrantz <=> Rosenkreutz} is Rossen(CRAFT)!]
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[Finnegans Wake p. 619] And robins in crews so. It is for me goolden wending.

_The Chemical Wedding of Christian ROSENKREUTZ 1459_
was edited in 1616 in Strasbourg. 200 years later:
Daniel Defoe was born in 1659 in to James Foe, a London BUTCHER.
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Will Shakspere was buried on April 26, 1616.

_The Life and Strange Surprizing Adventures of Robinson Crusoe_
_________ was published on April 26, 1719.
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<<I WAS born in the year 1632, in the city of York, of a good family,
though not of that country, my father being a foreigner of BREMEN,
who settled first at Hull. He got a good estate by merchandise,
and leaving off his trade, lived afterwards at York, from whence
he had married my mother, whose relations were named Robinson,
a very good family in that country, and from whom I was called

[list]ROBINSON KREUTZNAER;[/list]but, by the usual corruption of words in England, we are now
called - nay we call ourselves and write our name - Crusoe;
and so my companions always called me.>>

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Re: 10 reasons

Post by owlice » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:45 pm

Yup, the moon landing hoax of literature.

At least you admit that Shakespeare did, in fact, exist.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by Beyond » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:28 pm

I got the date-->April 26. Other than that... whadid he say, whadid he say??
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Sabrina Feldman & authorship

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Post by Beyond » Sat Oct 29, 2011 5:10 am

I'm just going to go with he was an alien, until somebody actually proves something. The whole mess is just too complicated.and i don't really care for his writings anyway.
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Post by Ann » Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:28 am

Art wrote:

Will Shakspere was buried on April 26, 1616.
That's the Shakespeare burial hoax!!!

As Beyond has already correctly deduced, Will Shakspere a.k.a. William Shakespeare was in fact an alien. Not only that, but he was never buried, since he is still living here with us!!!
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the compelling new evidence. Hear the shocking truth:

Dr. Michael Delahoyde is in fact William Shakespeare!!!
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How is this possible?

Well, being an alien, William Shakespeare (a.k.a. Delta Horologium, or Delahoyde, Michael) is in possession of spacetime travel. He was sent by the people of Delta Horologium b to the Earth to encourage the cultural evolution of Homo Sapiens according to the Delta Hor Semi-Prime Directive. Changing his shape from a Horologian into William Shakespeare, he took up a spectacular playwright's career, helping to shape the thoughts of humanity according to the wishes of Delta Horologians by creating and helping to set up plays like Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Macbeth and Richard III. Thanks to the intervention of the friendly Horologians, humanity has been too busy pondering the meaning of phrases like To be or not to be, Romeo, Romeo, wherefore Art thou Romeo?, Is this a dagger that I see before me? and A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse! to do much damage to the larger universe.
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After completing his mission by giving humanity the immortal Shakespearean plays to ponder, the visitor from Delta Horologium b arranged a fake funeral of his eartly incarnation and returned home. However, lately humanity has become too lazy to study Shakespeare and has been up to no good, and the concerned Horologians sent their envoy back to us, now in the shape of Delahoyde, Michael. His new mission, now that humanity has grown tired of pondering William Shakespeare's works, is to distract us by making us ponder William Shakespeare's person instead.

Our alien visitor's transformation from himself to William Shakespeare to himself to Michael Delahoyde wasn't perfectly successful, since in his latest incarnation he couldn't do away with his Shakespearean receding hairline, and since the travails of spacetime travel left him shaggier than usual and gave him a more generous waist.

In this stellar chart at right, you can find Delta Horologium next to Alpha Horologium at ten o'clock.

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Post by neufer » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:07 am

owlice wrote:
:roll:

And Amazon has moon hoax books for sale, too.
I really think that it is your obligation to join your fellow Stratfordians over at humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare to help dump on Sabrina Feldman. And be sure to point out your moon hoax analogy. Explain to Sabrina how Stratford literacy statistics fully explain why the author of Rosalind, Portia, Helena & Beatrice needn't have bothered himself with educating his daughters & granddaughter. But most of all be sure to call Sabrina a moron, crank and crackpot. It is your duty as a Stratfordian :!: If such transgressions were to go unpunished then no scholar in any academic field would feel safe in his ivory tower.
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neufer wrote:I really think that it is your obligation to join your fellow Stratfordians over at humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare to help dump on Sabrina Feldman. And be sure to point out your moon hoax analogy. Explain to Sabrina how Stratford literacy statistics fully explain why the author of Rosalind, Portia, Helena & Beatrice needn't have bothered himself with educating his daughters & granddaughter. But most of all be sure to call Sabrina a moron, crank and crackpot. It is your duty as a Stratfordian :!: If such transgressions were to go unpunished then no scholar in any academic field would feel safe in his ivory tower.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by owlice » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:09 pm

I'm kind of liking the alien theory, myself.
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owlice wrote:
neufer wrote:
I really think that it is your obligation to join your fellow Stratfordians over at humanities.lit.authors.shakespeare to help dump on Sabrina Feldman. And be sure to point out your moon hoax analogy. Explain to Sabrina how Stratford literacy statistics fully explain why the author of Rosalind, Portia, Helena & Beatrice needn't have bothered himself with educating his daughters & granddaughter. But most of all be sure to call Sabrina a moron, crank and crackpot. It is your duty as a Stratfordian :!: If such transgressions were to go unpunished then no scholar in any academic field would feel safe in his ivory tower.
http://asterisk.apod.com/viewtopic.php? ... 19#p160483
No, no! You need to be a defender the status quo, owlice.

Our society could not function without a blind trust in all certified experts.

The fact that there might be a few bad apples (e.g., Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, the Stratford Birthplace Trust) is no excuse to permit anyone to doubt.

Stand up for what you believe :!:
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by Beyond » Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:28 pm

Well, having experienced this whole thread, i do find that RJN was write, when he writtened that once one hits 500 posts, he is judged to be legally insane. Some of us more than others, it appears, and you all know who you are. :mrgreen:
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Re: 10 reasons

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Beyond wrote:Well, having experienced this whole thread, i do find that RJN was write, when he writtened that once one hits 500 posts, he is judged to be legally insane. Some of us more than others, it appears, and you all know who you are. :mrgreen:
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Ann wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonhard_Euler wrote:
<<Leonhard Euler (15 April 1707 – 18 September 1783) was a pioneering Swiss mathematician and physicist. He made important discoveries in fields as diverse as infinitesimal calculus and graph theory. He also introduced much of the modern mathematical terminology and notation, particularly for mathematical analysis, such as the notion of a mathematical function. He is also renowned for his work in mechanics, fluid dynamics, optics, and astronomy.>>
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<<The Bernoullis were a family of traders and scholars from Basel, Switzerland. The founder of the family, Leon Bernoulli, immigrated to Basel from Antwerp in Flanders in the 16th century, fleeing Spanish oppression.

The Bernoulli family has produced many notable artists and scientists, in particular a number of famous mathematicians in the 18th century:
  • Jacob Bernoulli (1654–1705; also known as James or Jacques) Mathematician born in Basel, Switzerland, after whom Bernoulli numbers are named.
    Nicolaus Bernoulli (1662–1716) Painter and alderman of Basel, Switzerland.
    Johann Bernoulli (1667–1748; also known as Jean) Swiss mathematician and early adopter of infinitesimal calculus.
    Nicolaus I Bernoulli (1687–1759) Swiss mathematician.
    Nicolaus II Bernoulli (1695–1726) Swiss mathematician; worked on curves, differential equations, and probability.
    Daniel Bernoulli (1700–1782) Dutch-Swiss developer of Bernoulli's principle and St. Petersburg paradox
    Johann II Bernoulli (1710–1790; also known as Jean) Swiss mathematician and physicist.
    Johann III Bernoulli (1744–1807; also known as Jean) Swiss-German astronomer, geographer, and mathematician.
    Jacob II Bernoulli (1759–1789; also known as Jacques) Swiss-Russian physicist and mathematician.
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neufer wrote: No, no! You need to be a defender the status quo, owlice.

Our society could not function without a blind trust in all certified experts.

The fact that there might be a few bad apples (e.g., Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, the Stratford Birthplace Trust) is no excuse to permit anyone to doubt.

Stand up for what you believe :!:
neufer, the longer you continue in the vein you have taken here, the more you bring to mind a conspiracy theorist. These last two posts you addressed to me especially could pretty much have been written by any conspiracy theorist about anything, whether regarding face-on-Mars, the moon landing, the Kennedy assignation, alien visitation, or whatever, with just a few changes in nouns.

I'm pretty disappointed. You haven't even tried to make your case. You say, "This couldn't be! He couldn't have!" and stamp your cyber-foot, but you haven't laid out an argument. Appealing to who you (apparently) consider authorities (who have a movie and a book to hawk, respectively) doesn't make your case. I find it sad that you (apparently) think it does.

If you have a case, try making it rationally in your own words without the rabidness. Or don't; you don't really have the patience to do so anyway, right? Right.
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Re: 10 reasons

Post by Beyond » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:13 am

Ann wrote:Got 2128 posts myself. Am certified kookie
Ok, Ann, can you prove that :?: Can you post a copy of your kookie certification :?: If you can't, we might just think that you are a completely sane person just here to have fun, and start all sorts of speculation going, in keeping with the theme of the thread. :mrgreen:
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