JPL: Spitzer: 'This Planet Tastes Funny'

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JPL: Spitzer: 'This Planet Tastes Funny'

Post by bystander » Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:00 pm

'This Planet Tastes Funny' According to Spitzer
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NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope has discovered something odd about a distant planet -- it lacks methane, an ingredient common to many of the planets in our solar system.

"It's a big puzzle," said Kevin Stevenson, a planetary sciences graduate student at the University of Central Florida in Orlando, lead author of a study appearing tomorrow, April 22 in the journal Nature. "Models tell us that the carbon in this planet should be in the form of methane. Theorists are going to be quite busy trying to figure this one out."

The discovery brings astronomers one step closer to probing the atmospheres of distant planets the size of Earth. The methane-free planet, called GJ 436b, is about the size of Neptune, making it the smallest distant planet that any telescope has successfully "tasted," or analyzed. Eventually, a larger space telescope could use the same kind of technique to search smaller, Earth-like worlds for methane and other chemical signs of life, such as water, oxygen and carbon dioxide.
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Science@NASA: This Planet Smells Funny

Post by bystander » Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:35 pm

This Planet Smells Funny
NASA Science News | 13 Sept 2010
Giant planet GJ 436b in the constellation Leo is missing something.

Would you believe swamp gas?

To the surprise of astronomers who have been studying the Neptune-sized planet using NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope, GJ 436b has very little methane (CH4).

"Methane should be abundant on a planet of this temperature and size, but we found 7000 times less methane than what the models predict," says Kevin Stevenson of the University of Central Florida (UCF). Stevenson was lead author of a paper reporting the result in the April 22, 2010, issue of Nature.

The methane deficit is surprising because in our own solar system all gas giants are methane-rich. Hydrogen and carbon are abundant in the atmospheres of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune. These atoms naturally get together to form the simplest hydrocarbon, CH4.

The example of our local gas giants shaped expectations when Stevenson and colleagues pointed Spitzer in the direction of GJ 436b, only 33 light-years away. Finding methane was a foregone conclusion. But when the researchers analyzed the planet's spectrum, they found little of it. Instead, the atmosphere was rich in carbon monoxide.
Possible thermochemical disequilibrium in the atmosphere of the exoplanet GJ 436b - KB Stevenson et al The dayside atmosphere of the hot-Neptune GJ 436b - N Madhusudhan, S Seager Methane in the atmosphere of the transiting hot Neptune GJ 436b? - JP Beaulieu et al
  • arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1007.0324 > 02 Jul 2010 (v1), 28 Jul 2010 (v2)

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Post by neufer » Tue Sep 14, 2010 1:00 am

bystander wrote:
The dayside atmosphere of the hot-Neptune GJ 436b - N Madhusudhan, S Seager Methane in the atmosphere of the transiting hot Neptune GJ 436b? - JP Beaulieu et al
  • arXiv.org > astro-ph > arXiv:1007.0324 > 02 Jul 2010 (v1), 28 Jul 2010 (v2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune#Atmosphere wrote: The internal structure of Neptune:

1. Upper atmosphere, top clouds
2. Atmosphere consisting of hydrogen, helium and methane gas
3. Mantle consisting of water, ammonia and methane ices
4. Core consisting of rock and ice

At high altitudes, Neptune's atmosphere is 80% hydrogen and 19% helium. A trace amount of methane is also present. Prominent absorption bands of methane occur at wavelengths above 600 nm, in the red and infrared portion of the spectrum. As with Uranus, this absorption of red light by the atmospheric methane is part of what gives Neptune its blue hue, although Neptune's vivid azure differs from Uranus's milder aquamarine. Since Neptune's atmospheric methane content is similar to that of Uranus, some unknown atmospheric constituent is thought to contribute to Neptune's colour.>>
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Re: JPL: Spitzer: 'This Planet Tastes Funny'

Post by Ann » Tue Sep 14, 2010 2:44 am

So if GJ 436b lacks methane, it can't be blue, then?

On the other hand, I've never been able to figure out why the methane in the atmosphere's of Uranus and Neptune would make these planets blue, but in the case of Titan the methane in its atmosphere makes it orange?

(Or maybe I've misunderstood something here, and it's rather the organic gunk in the atmosphere of Titan that makes it orange?)

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Re: JPL: Spitzer: 'This Planet Tastes Funny'

Post by neufer » Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:31 am

Ann wrote:
So if GJ 436b lacks methane, it can't be blue, then?

On the other hand, I've never been able to figure out why the methane in the atmosphere's of Uranus and Neptune would make these planets blue, but in the case of Titan the methane in its atmosphere makes it orange?

(Or maybe I've misunderstood something here, and it's rather the organic gunk in the atmosphere of Titan that makes it orange?)
If you look above the organic gunk in the atmosphere of Titan it's blue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28moon%29 wrote: <<The presence of a significant atmosphere [on Titan] was first suspected by Spanish astronomer Josep Comas Solà, who observed distinct limb darkening on Titan in 1903, and confirmed by Gerard P. Kuiper in 1944 using a spectroscopic technique that yielded an estimate of an atmospheric partial pressure of methane of the order of 100 millibars (10 kPa). Subsequent observations in the 1970s showed that Kuiper's figures had been significant underestimates; methane abundances in Titan's atmosphere were ten times higher, and the surface pressure was at least double what he had predicted. The high surface pressure meant that methane could only form a small fraction of Titan's atmosphere. In 1981, Voyager 1 made the first detailed observations of Titan's atmosphere, revealing that its surface pressure was in fact higher than Earth's, at 1.5 bars.

The orange color as seen from space must be produced by other more complex chemicals in small quantities, possibly tholins, tar-like organic precipitates. The hydrocarbons are thought to form in Titan's upper atmosphere in reactions resulting from the breakup of methane by the Sun's ultraviolet light, producing a thick orange smog.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claes_Tholin wrote:
<<Claes Emil Tholin, born October 22, 1860 in Södra Säm, Älvsborgs län, died 1927, was the first leader of the Swedish Social Democratic Party 1896-1907, after collective leadership hade been applied in 1889-1896. To this date, Tholin is the only Swedish social democratic party leader, who has retired from politics without having been the Prime Minister of Sweden.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tholin wrote:
Tholin (after the Ancient Greek word θολός tholós for ”mud”), is a heteropolymer molecule formed by solar ultraviolet irradiation of simple organic compounds such as methane or ethane. Tholins do not form naturally on modern-day Earth, but are found in great abundance on the surface of icy bodies in the outer solar system. They usually have a reddish-brown appearance.

Tholins have also been detected in the stellar system of an eight-million-year-old star known as HR 4796A using the Near-Infrared Camera and Multi-Object Spectrometer (NICMOS) aboard the Hubble Space Telescope. HR 4796A is 220 light years from Earth.
"Triton tholin" and "Titan tholin" are nitrogen-rich organic substances produced by the irradiation of gaseous mixtures of nitrogen and methane such as that found in those moons' atmospheres; Triton's atmosphere is 99.9% nitrogen and 0.1% methane and Titan's atmosphere is 98.4% nitrogen and the remaining 1.6% composed of methane and trace amounts of other gases. These atmospherically derived substances are distinct from "ice tholin", which is formed by irradiation of clathrates of water and organic compounds such as methane or ethane. The plutino Ixion is also high in this compound.

The surfaces of comets, centaurs, and many icy moons in the outer solar system are rich in deposits of Triton, Titan and ice tholins. The haze and orange-red color of Titan's atmosphere and centaur-class planetoids are thought to be caused by the presence of tholins. Tholins may also have been detected in the protoplanetary disks of young stars; see HR 4796A. Some researchers have speculated that Earth may have been seeded by organic compounds early in its development by tholin-rich comets, providing the raw material necessary for life to develop; see Urey-Miller experiment for discussion related to this issue. Tholins do not exist naturally on current-day Earth due to the oxidizing character of its atmosphere.

A theoretical model explains formation of tholins by the dissociation and ionization of molecular nitrogen and methane by energetic particles and solar radiation, formation of ethylene, ethane, acetylene, hydrogen cyanide, and other small simple molecules and small positive ions, further formation of benzene and other organic molecules, their polymerization and formation of aerosol of heavier molecules, which then coagulate and deposit on the planetary surface.

The term "tholin" was coined by astronomer Carl Sagan to describe the difficult-to-characterize substances he obtained in his Urey-Miller-type experiments on the gas mixtures that are found in Titan's atmosphere. It is not a specific compound but is a term generally used to describe the reddish, organic component of planetary surfaces. Tholins formed at low pressure tend to contain nitrogen atoms in the interior of their molecules, while tholins formed at high pressure are more likely to have nitrogen atoms located in terminal positions. Tholins can act as an effective screen for ultraviolet radiation, protecting the planetary surface from it. A wide variety of soil bacteria are able to use tholins as their sole source of carbon. It is thought tholins may have been the first microbial food for heterotrophic microorganisms before autotrophy evolved.>>
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Re: JPL: Spitzer: 'This Planet Tastes Funny'

Post by Ann » Tue Sep 14, 2010 5:23 am

neufer quoted Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claes_Tholin wrote:

<<Claes Emil Tholin, born October 22, 1860 in Södra Säm, Älvsborgs län, died 1927, was the first leader of the Swedish Social Democratic Party 1896-1907, after collective leadership hade been applied in 1889-1896. To this date, Tholin is the only Swedish social democratic party leader, who has retired from politics without having been the Prime Minister of Sweden.>>
Thanks, Art. I didn't know that. Although we are about to have another Social Democratic party leader who won't become Prime Minister, and her name is Sahlin, not Tholin. She is going to lose the election that will take place now on Sunday (or I think it will take place on Sunday. I have already voted. I voted for a feminist party, seriously. Don't worry, though, they won't make it into "riksdagen", the Swedish Parliament.)

As a Swedish name, Tholin would be pronounced Tu-LEEn. The "o" in Tholin would be pronounced like the "u" in "put", as in "Put it here!"

(Actually, it would be pronounced a bit like "too lean". Wonder if this Tholin guy was a thin fella?)

Ah, that hippopotamus song! Surely the hippopotamus Prince Charming is the Prince Charmingest of them all! And as for the fair maiden Hippopotamus, I'm just saying, "Mirror, Mirror, on the Wall? Who is the fairest of them all?" And by the way, who in the Animal Kingdom has a handsomer name than the lovely, graceful, tholin-loving Hippopotamus?
The term "tholin" was coined by astronomer Carl Sagan to describe the difficult-to-characterize substances he obtained in his Urey-Miller-type experiments on the gas mixtures that are found in Titan's atmosphere.
So "tholins" is just a fancier name for mud or gunk? Hey, sonny! Get those tholins off your boots before you step all over the carpet!

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