APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby Boomer12k » Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:33 pm

smitty wrote:While hating to rain on Elon Musk's parade, I have to say that one thing this Falcon Heavy "demonstration launch" truly demonstrates is just how out of touch billionaires such as Musk are with the real world in which they live. Rather than sending his car into space, Musk could have sold it (for well over $100,000), donated the money to a tutoring program for disadvantaged kids in some inner city, and instead sent an equal weight of some inexpensive payload such as concrete into space. The gulf between the top 1 % and the rest of us apparently is just too wide for the Elon Musks of the world to bridge (or apparently even to see). Sad.



Look up....How much money does Elon Musk donate to charity.....
it is way more an 100,000....

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby chuckster » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:31 am

scr33d wrote:Please, no more SpaceX stunts on APOD. Musk's SpaceX is business, not science, orientated. Keep this site's postings to its name sake, astronomy.


Yes, no more APOD support of rank commercialism in space. Logos on asteroid-mining vehicles are OK, etc. But Musk is going to feature a screenshot of the sportscar in an APOD website frame in his next Powerpoint presentation no doubt. An affirmation ? Say NO.

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby chuckster » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:53 am

MarkBour wrote:I love following Elon and his exploits. I think he is an inspiration and has good motives. If this forum is expressing a crude voting process as to whether or not something like this is a good APOD, I am all for it. It was a very well-planned and beautifully executed example of astrophotography, and quite expensive and fortunate, to boot!

To the posters that think Elon should have donated his roadster to the poor, or that he is out of touch with the needs of humanity, or that our American billionaires are out of touch with the needs of the less fortunate, I think you have a lot of homework to do. Read up on the pledge, which Elon and many others have signed: http://www.kwiq.com/14-billionaires-sig ... ng-pledge/ That is just a starting point. Read up on the Gates Foundation. Read about what Elon Musk is doing and why. The suggestion that he should have donated his car to the poor is reminiscent of Judas criticizing Mary in John 12:5 .

One thing I'm concerned about with the rocket booster landings. They are fascinating to watch, a great technical achievement in aerodynamic control. But, as the core booster proved, they are somewhat dangerous. According to Mr. Musk, the video for the core booster is unavailable because it hit the water at around 300 mph and wiped out parts on the drone ship it was to land on (video may be recovered later). I'm really glad it was a drone ship and nobody was on board. I'm even more glad it wasn't one of the other boosters that had a problem coming into the landing areas on land. Currently, I would vote for only doing these onto drone ships that are on the water. (I also wonder why they can't be brought back more as gliders, rather than precision-guided spears, but that idea may not prove ultimately safer or more feasible.)


Regardless of what documents the "charitable" 1% have signed, the effort in space should suffer no egotistical fools. The car is being portrayed as a playful, astonishing and admirable feat by a young etrepreneur making his high-profile mark in his chosen field. Advertising efforts are ALWAYS "very well-planned and beautifully executed". But they're still just advertising. As an American watching the privatization of prisons and governments, and a veteran of 10,000 commercials, I know a 1%'er hiking a hind leg to mark their territory when I see it. So should you.
Their opportunity is to make a profit in space-based operations, which I support. Making space profitable does not need the support of people impressed by rank stunts. If it does, they're trying to get favorable votes when the laws start being passed, and those votes will be for the same wrong reasons America is suffering from right now. If Neil Armstrong had planted Old Glory on the Moon with a JP Morgan Chase logo on it, that would be OK with you ? We came in peace for all mankind. We should economize space travel and mine asteroids and go to Mars for all mankind, also. Not some businessman's ego.
On the way out of Earth's atmosphere, check your advertising at the door, please.
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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby Victor Buonadonna » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:01 am

Does anyone see the connection between this image and the opening scenes in the anime cult movie "Heavy Metal"?

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby MarkBour » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:00 am

chuckster wrote:
MarkBour wrote: . . .

Regardless of what documents the "charitable" 1% have signed, the effort in space should suffer no egotistical fools. The car is being portrayed as a playful, astonishing and admirable feat by a young etrepreneur making his high-profile mark in his chosen field. Advertising efforts are ALWAYS "very well-planned and beautifully executed". But they're still just advertising. As an American watching the privatization of prisons and governments, and a veteran of 10,000 commercials, I know a 1%'er hiking a hind leg to mark their territory when I see it. So should you.
Their opportunity is to make a profit in space-based operations, which I support. Making space profitable does not need the support of people impressed by rank stunts. If it does, they're trying to get favorable votes when the laws start being passed, and those votes will be for the same wrong reasons America is suffering from right now. If Neil Armstrong had planted Old Glory on the Moon with a JP Morgan Chase logo on it, that would be OK with you ? We came in peace for all mankind. We should economize space travel and mine asteroids and go to Mars for all mankind, also. Not some businessman's ego.
On the way out of Earth's atmosphere, check your advertising at the door, please.

Peace, brother! Although I personally don't feel the same, you're welcome to be as suspicious of Musk's motives as you wish.

As to some of the deeper points you are making, I wholeheartedly support them. You ended your post with: "On the way out of Earth's atmosphere, check your advertising at the door, please." I would also wish we could leave our symbols of national pride out of space as well. It seems the most productive place for this discussion would be the United Nations. As you quoted, "We came in peace for all mankind". That seems the best sentiment, to me.
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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby RJN » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:47 pm

Victor Buonadonna wrote:Does anyone see the connection between this image and the opening scenes in the anime cult movie "Heavy Metal"?


Yes. Please check the links to see this video and a modern re-make.

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby geckzilla » Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:59 pm

MarkBour wrote:As you quoted, "We came in peace for all mankind". That seems the best sentiment, to me.

Works for the human males, anyway.
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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby Stinky » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:13 pm

geckzilla wrote:
MarkBour wrote:As you quoted, "We came in peace for all mankind". That seems the best sentiment, to me.

Works for the human males, anyway.


mankind -
1. The human race in its entirety.
2. Men collectively, as opposed to all women.
3. (obsolete) Human feelings; humanity.

womankind -
1. Women, taken collectively.

humankind -
1. The human race; mankind, humanity; Homo sapiens.

personkind -
1. People as a whole.

pedantic seMANtics

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby geckzilla » Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Stinky wrote:
geckzilla wrote:
MarkBour wrote:As you quoted, "We came in peace for all mankind". That seems the best sentiment, to me.

Works for the human males, anyway.


mankind -
1. The human race in its entirety.
2. Men collectively, as opposed to all women.
3. (obsolete) Human feelings; humanity.

womankind -
1. Women, taken collectively.

humankind -
1. The human race; mankind, humanity; Homo sapiens.

personkind -
1. People as a whole.

pedantic seMANtics

I've all but given up on the insistence that "mankind" and "all men" refer, with human male as the default entity, to all people. I couldn't resist the urge to push the topic even further after it'd already gone from "no logos" to "no flags or nations, either". I'll see your anti-capitalist, anti-nationalist sentiment and raise you some anti-sexism. Later on, an artificial intelligence will let us know that we're still excluding them with this lifeist speech.
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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby MarkBour » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:51 pm

geckzilla wrote:I'll see your anti-capitalist, anti-nationalist sentiment and raise you some anti-sexism. Later on, an artificial intelligence will let us know that we're still excluding them with this lifeist speech.

LOL! Bionist? Anti-siliconist?

This discussion caused me to read the Wikipedia article on Space Law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law . So now I know at least a little about what actually has been addressed and what is ongoing.
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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby Nitpicker » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:58 pm

The big black rectangular prisms from Space Odyssey 2001, were actually test payloads from a long forgotten and now extinct species, with little sense of nationalism or commercialism.

No future being will ever find humanity to have been similarly lacking.

This little human was waving to the camera in this APOD. However flawed we are as a species, I thought it was a cool stunt within an important test flight.

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Re: APOD: Car Orbiting Earth (2018 Feb 13)

Postby chuckster » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:28 pm

MarkBour wrote:
chuckster wrote:
MarkBour wrote: . . .

Regardless of what documents the "charitable" 1% have signed, the effort in space should suffer no egotistical fools. The car is being portrayed as a playful, astonishing and admirable feat by a young etrepreneur making his high-profile mark in his chosen field. Advertising efforts are ALWAYS "very well-planned and beautifully executed". But they're still just advertising. As an American watching the privatization of prisons and governments, and a veteran of 10,000 commercials, I know a 1%'er hiking a hind leg to mark their territory when I see it. So should you.
Their opportunity is to make a profit in space-based operations, which I support. Making space profitable does not need the support of people impressed by rank stunts. If it does, they're trying to get favorable votes when the laws start being passed, and those votes will be for the same wrong reasons America is suffering from right now. If Neil Armstrong had planted Old Glory on the Moon with a JP Morgan Chase logo on it, that would be OK with you ? We came in peace for all mankind. We should economize space travel and mine asteroids and go to Mars for all mankind, also. Not some businessman's ego.
On the way out of Earth's atmosphere, check your advertising at the door, please.

Peace, brother! Although I personally don't feel the same, you're welcome to be as suspicious of Musk's motives as you wish.

As to some of the deeper points you are making, I wholeheartedly support them. You ended your post with: "On the way out of Earth's atmosphere, check your advertising at the door, please." I would also wish we could leave our symbols of national pride out of space as well. It seems the most productive place for this discussion would be the United Nations. As you quoted, "We came in peace for all mankind". That seems the best sentiment, to me.


Peace to you also, brother. Here we are on the APOD discussion board ! I'm not some contrary hothead dimbulb (at least I like to think not), and as far as this sportscar stunt, I actually think I'm in the minority, and the inevitable is coming. I visit other forums, and Musk is pretty much universally the darling of people around his age, and others. The commercialization of space is a good idea, in theory, just like Capitalism. But you know how that goes. I also agree with your "symbols of national pride" caveat, which seems to be a hangover from the Cold War moon landings. We all know why the Fed money flowed for that effort, and national pride is what seemed the most natural reaction at the time. But if we're opening up space, we should take the ISS as the new example of how to go forward, ideologically. We want to be proud of HUMAN efforts in space.

I've spent so many lunch hours and home hours reading APODs and following the links, where APOD brings the wonder -and reverence- for the discovery and application of astrophysical law to observations, that the Tesla with a mannequin seemed to be sacrilege in a cathedral to me. The caption to the photo was basically neutral, which I appreciated. Thanks for your measured reply !


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