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APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by APOD Robot » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:06 am

Image Hidden Galaxy IC 342

Explanation: Similar in size to other large, bright spiral galaxies, IC 342 is a mere 7 million light-years distant in the long-necked, northern constellation Camelopardalis. A sprawling island universe, IC 342 would otherwise be a prominent galaxy in our night sky, but it is almost hidden from view behind the veil of stars, gas and dust clouds in the plane of our Milky Way galaxy. Even though IC 342's light is dimmed by intervening cosmic clouds, this remarkably sharp telescopic image traces the galaxy's own obscuring dust, blue star clusters, and glowing pink star forming regions along spiral arms that Wind far from the galaxy's core. IC 342 may have undergone a recent burst of star formation activity and is close enough to have gravitationally influenced the evolution of the local group of galaxies and the Milky Way.

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by bystander » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:17 am

WISE: IC 342 - The Hidden Galaxy
http://asterisk.apod.com/vie ... 42#p118942

IC 342 Galaxy
http://asterisk.apod.com/vie ... 29&t=20698

APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2006 Oct 05)
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by neufer » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:35 pm

APOD Robot wrote:Image Hidden Galaxy IC 342
What sort of Hat Trick did Hay Creek pull off to get such a nice image?

Near infrared?
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:40 pm

neufer wrote:What sort of Hat Trick did Hay Creek pull off to get such a nice image?
Near infrared?
What trick is needed? It's just an image made with a rather low quality camera (three visible bands). Anybody with a dark sky could get it with a few hours of photon collecting with fairly inexpensive equipment. If anything is "tricky" here its the skill involved in the image processing steps.
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by axeshredder » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:32 pm

why the low res photos all the time?????
what happened to Hubble and why does this site keep posting old ancient photos of space....isnt it enough we have to see everything millions of years after it happened?

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by bystander » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:42 pm

axeshredder wrote:why does this site keep posting old ancient photos of space
:?: :? :?:
This is not an old ancient photo of space. It is from Hay Creek Observatory Latest images.
The image used in the previous APOD by the same name is a completely different image.
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by neufer » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:45 pm

Image
  • IC 342 from Hubble
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neufer wrote:
What sort of Hat Trick did Hay Creek pull off to get such a nice image? Near infrared?
What trick is needed? It's just an image made with a rather low quality camera (three visible bands). Anybody with a dark sky could get it with a few hours of photon collecting with fairly inexpensive equipment. If anything is "tricky" here its the skill involved in the image processing steps.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC_342 wrote:
<<IC 342 (also known as Caldwell 5) is an intermediate spiral galaxy in the constellation Camelopardalis. The galaxy is located near the galactic equator where dust obscuration makes it a difficult object for both amateur and professional astronomers to observe.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelopardalis wrote:
<<Camelopardalis is the 18th largest constellation but it is not a particularly bright as the brightest stars are only of fourth magnitude. β Camelopardalis is the brightest star, at apparent magnitude 4.03. The constellation was first described by Jakob Bartsch in 1624, but was created earlier by Petrus Plancius. In older astronomy books, one will sometimes see an alternative spelling of the name as Camelopardus. In Chinese astronomy, constellation is lied in Purple Forbidden enclosure. The faintness of the constellation, and that of the nearby constellation Lynx, led to the early Greeks considering this area of the sky to be empty. First attested in English in 1785, the word camelopardalis comes from the Latin and it is the romanisation of the Greek "καμηλοπάρδαλις" meaning "giraffe", from "κάμηλος" (kamēlos), "camel" + "πάρδαλις" (pardalis), "leopard", due to its having a long neck like a camel and spots like a leopard.

Although NGC 2403 is a spiral galaxy approximately 11 million light years distant. It is of magnitude 8.4. NGC 1502 is a magnitude 6.0 open cluster about 6,800 light years distant. NGC1501 is a planetary nebula. NGC 2655 is a small galaxy. IC 342 is one of the brightest two galaxies in the IC 342/Maffei Group of galaxies
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Camelopardalis as depicted in Urania's Mirror, a set of
constellation cards published in London c.1825. including
the now-abandoned constellations of Tarandus/Rangifer
& Custos Messium (Latin for harvest-keeper).
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H. A. Rey's way to connect Camelopardalis.
The giraffe's body consists of the quadrangle of stars
α Cam, β Cam, BE Cam, and γ Cam>>
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by owlice » Wed Dec 22, 2010 5:59 pm

β Camelopardalis is the brightest star, at apparent magnitude 4.03.
So is this a case of where the α star is designated because of its position in the constellation, rather than by brightness?
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by owlice » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:05 pm

Star Tales – Custos Messium wrote:
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Introduced by the French astronomer Joseph Jérôme de Lalande on his celestial globe of 1775, and described by him the following year in the Journal des Savans. The name Custos Messium is a punning reference to his countryman Charles Messier, the famed comet hunter, and in fact the constellation was often known as Messier, particularly in France. It lay in what is now northern Cassiopeia, between Cepheus and Camelopardalis, next to another subsequently abandoned constellation, Rangifer the Reindeer. Lalande chose this previously anonymous area of sky because it was here that the comet of 1774 was first seen. The comet was extensively observed by Messier but, ironically, was not discovered by him - the discoverer was actually another Frenchman, Jacques Montaigne.
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by NoelC » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:29 pm

Ooh, that's a nice shot, and plenty deep. Congratulations, Ed Henry for having your fine photo displayed as an APOD!

I love the diffraction effects. :) ;) :D

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by NoelC » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:30 pm

Thanks, Neufer, for showing that the "professional" images often can't hold a candle to a well prepared amateur shot for sheer beauty.

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by NoelC » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:37 pm

owlice wrote:So is this a case of where the α star is designated because of its position in the constellation, rather than by brightness?
I don't know specifically who selected the alpha star, when, or why, but it's notable that alpha and beta differ only slightly in brightness. Maybe someone just made a mistake in judging their relative brightnesses? Notably they're different colors, alpha being whiter.

BSC 9 Alp Cam
Visual Magnitude: 4.29
Color Index: 0.03
Spectral Class: O9.5Ia

BSC 10 Bet Cam
Visual Magnitude: 4.03
Color Index: 0.92
Spectral Class: G1Ib-IIa

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by neufer » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:40 pm

owlice wrote:
β Camelopardalis is the brightest star, at apparent magnitude 4.03.
So is this a case of where the α star is designated because of its position in the constellation, rather than by brightness?
β Camelopardalis is a yellow G-type star which AS WE ALL KNOW is the most important kind of star :!:
(α Camelopardalis is also losing mass rapidly and may have had a brighter apparent magnitude in the past).
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<<Beta Camelopardalis (β Cam / β Camelopardalis) is a yellow G-type supergiant with an apparent magnitude of +4.03.
This is a double star, with components of magnitudes 4.0 and 7.4. It is approximately 1000 light years from Earth.>>

<<Alpha Camelopardalis (Alpha Cam / α Camelopardalis / α Cam) is an O-type supergiant star, with an apparent visual magnitude of approximately 4.301. It is the third brightest star in the constellation of Camelopardalis, the first and second brightest being β Camelopardalis and CS Camelopardalis, respectively. This star has been thought to be a runaway star ejected from the OB association Cam OB1, but newer observations cast doubt on this. The star is an emission-line star and is losing mass rapidly, at a rate of approximately 6 millionths of a solar mass per year.

At 7000 light years distance α Camelopardalis is the farthest constellational star from the sun.>>
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It is most appropriate if Yogi acts feebly and slowly in all activities just like a weak, sick person.
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The feminine Yoginī [or Boo-Boo] in Classical Sanskrit literature is the name of a class of female demons, witches or sorceresses, created by or attending to Durga.

In Hinduism the term refers to an adherent of Yoga. As an Urdu term, yogī is mostly used to refer to wandering Sufi saints and ascetics. The word is also often used in the Buddhist context to describe Buddhist monks or a householder devoted to meditation.

The Shiva Samhita defines the Yogi as someone who knows that the entire cosmos is situated within his own body, and the Yoga-Shikha-Upanishad[citation needed] distinguishes two kinds of Yogis: those who pierce through the "sun" by means of the various Yogic techniques and those who access the door of the central conduit and drink the nectar from the Pic-a-Nic basket.>>
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by NoelC » Wed Dec 22, 2010 7:11 pm

Do I detect bearly a bit of editorial license there, Neufer? But somehow no mention of America's favorite pastime at all?

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

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NoelC wrote:
Do I detect bearly a bit of editorial license there, Neufer?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
NoelC wrote:
But somehow no mention of America's favorite pastime at all?
I wish I had an answer to that because I'm tired of answering that question.

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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

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owlice wrote:
<<The name Custos Messium is a punning reference to his countryman Charles Messier, the famed comet hunter, and in fact the constellation was often known as Messier, particularly in France. It lay in what is now northern Cassiopeia, between Cepheus and Camelopardalis, next to another subsequently abandoned constellation, Rangifer the Reindeer. Lalande chose this previously anonymous area of sky because it was here that the comet of 1774 was first seen. The comet was extensively observed by Messier but, ironically, was not discovered by him - the discoverer was actually another Frenchman, Jacques Montaigne.>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangifer_%28constellation%29 wrote:
<<Rangifer was a small constellation located between the constellations of Cassiopeia and Camelopardalis. It is also known as Tarandus as both mean "reindeer" in Latin. (Rangifer is also specific name of the scientific name of the Reindeer, and tarandus is generic name of it.) The constellations of Rangifer was created by the French astronomer Lemonnier in 1736 to commemorate the expedition of Maupertuis to Lapland. Geodetical observations from the expedition proved Earth's oblateness.>>
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Maupertuis made an expedition to Lapland to determine the shape of the earth. He is often credited with having invented the principle of least action; a version is known as Maupertuis' principle – an integral equation that determines the path followed by a physical system. His work in natural history has its interesting points, since he touched on aspects of heredity and the struggle for life.

His early mathematical work revolved around the vis viva controversy, for which Maupertuis developed and extended the work of Isaac Newton (whose theories were not yet widely accepted outside England) and argued against the waning Cartesian mechanics. In the 1730s, the shape of the Earth became a flashpoint in the battle among rival systems of mechanics. Maupertuis, based on his exposition of Newton (with the help of his mentor Johan Bernoulli) predicted that the Earth should be oblate, while his rival Jacques Cassini measured it astronomically to be prolate. In 1736 Maupertuis acted as chief of the French Geodesic Mission sent by King Louis XV to Lapland to measure the length of a degree of arc of the meridian. His results, which he published in a book detailing his procedures, essentially settled the controversy in his favor. The book included an adventure narrative of the expedition, and an account of the Käymäjärvi Inscriptions. On his return home he became a member of almost all the scientific societies of Europe.

After the Lapland expedition, Maupertuis set about generalizing his earlier mathematical work, proposing the principle of least action as a metaphysical principle that underlies all the laws of mechanics. He also expanded into the biological realm, anonymously publishing a book that was part popular science, part philosophy, and part erotica: Vénus physique. In that work, Maupertuis proposed a theory of generation (i.e., reproduction) in which organic matter possessed a self-organizing “intelligence” that was analogous to the contemporary chemical concept of affinities, which was widely read and commented upon favorably by Georges-Louis Leclerc, Comte de Buffon. He later developed his views on living things further in a more formal pseudonymous work that explored heredity, collecting evidence that confirmed the contributions of both sexes and treated variations as statistical phenomena.

In 1740 Maupertuis went to Berlin at the invitation of Frederick II of Prussia, and took part in the Battle of Mollwitz, where he was taken prisoner by the Austrians. On his release he returned to Berlin, and thence to Paris, where he was elected director of the Academy of Sciences in 1742. Returning to Berlin in 1744, again at the desire of Frederick II, he was chosen president of the Prussian Royal Academy of Sciences in 1746, which he controlled with the help of Leonhard Euler until his death. Finding his health declining, he retired in 1757 to the south of France, but went in 1758 to Basel, where he died a year later. Maupertuis' difficult disposition involved him in constant quarrels, of which his controversies with Samuel König and Voltaire during the latter part of his life are examples.

"The brilliance of much of what he did was undermined by his tendency to leave work unfinished, his failure to realise his own potential. It was the insight of genius that led him to least-action principle, but a lack of intellectual energy or rigour that prevented his giving it the mathematical foundation that Lagrange would provide... He reveals remarkable powers of perception in heredity, in understanding the mechanism by which species developed, even in immunology, but no fully elaborated theory. His philosophical work is his most enthralling: bold, exciting, well argued."

Maupertuis espoused a theory of pangenesis, postulating particles from both mother and father as responsible for the characters of the child. Bowler credits him with studies on heredity, with the natural origin of human races, and with the idea that forms of life may have changed with time. The chief debate that Maupertuis was engaged in was one that treated the competing theories of generation (i.e. preformationism and epigenesis). His account of life involved spontaneous generation of new kinds of animals and plants, together with massive elimination of deficient forms. These ideas avoid the need for a Creator, but are not part of modern thinking on evolution. The date of these speculations, 1745, is concurrent with Carolus Linnaeus's own work, and so predates any firm notion of species. Also, the work on genealogy, coupled with the tracing of phenotypic characters through lineages, foreshadows later work done in genetics. In summary, Maupertuis' work on biology is good so far as it goes; like other proto-evolutionary thinkers, he did not follow up his excellent ideas with adequate studies to collect evidence and develop their potential.

The principle of least action states that in all natural phenomena a quantity called ‘action’ tends to be minimized. Maupertuis developed such a principle over two decades. For him, action could be expressed mathematically as the product of the mass of the body involved, the distance it had traveled and the velocity at which it was traveling. In 1741, he gave a paper to the Paris Academy of Sciences, Loi du repos des corps, (Law of bodies at rest). In it he showed that a system of bodies at rest tends to reach a position in which any change would create the smallest possible change in a quantity that he argued could be assimilated to action. In 1744, in another paper to the Paris Academy, he gave his Accord de plusieurs lois naturelles qui avaient paru jusqu’ici incompatibles (Agreement of several natural laws that had hitherto seemed to be incompatible) to show that the behaviour of light during refraction – when it bends on entering a new medium – was such that the total path it followed, from a point in the first medium to a point in the second, minimised a quantity which he again assimilated to action. ‘Least action’ sounds like an economy principle, roughly equivalent to the idea of economy of effort in daily life. A universal principle of economy of effort would seem to display the working of wisdom in the very construction of the universe. This seems, in Maupertuis’s view, a more powerful argument for the existence of an infinitely wise creator than any other that can be advanced. He published his thinking on these matters in his Essai de cosmologie (Essay on cosmology) of 1750. He shows that the major arguments advanced to prove God, from the wonders of nature or the apparent regularity of the universe, are all open to objection (what wonder is there in the existence of certain particularly repulsive insects, what regularity is there in the observation that all the planets turn in nearly the same plane – exactly the same plane might have been striking but 'nearly the same plane' is far less convincing).

But a universal principle of wisdom (i.e., "the principle of least action")
provides an undeniable proof of the shaping of the universe by a wise creator.
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Post by Céline Richard » Wed Dec 22, 2010 10:54 pm

A great great picture :)
Is this galaxy called a hidden galaxy because of dust obscuration?

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Post by Chris Peterson » Thu Dec 23, 2010 1:19 am

Céline Richard wrote:Is this galaxy called a hidden galaxy because of dust obscuration?
Yes. Visually, it is quite dim because of dust. Photographically, you can simply make a longer exposure to bring out the details.
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Post by owlice » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:24 am

Noel and MessiYogi, thank you very much for the information; much appreciated!
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Post by owlice » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:49 am

Where be your gibes now? your gambols? your songs?
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Re: APOD: Hidden Galaxy IC 342 (2010 Dec 22)

Post by neufer » Thu Dec 23, 2010 5:07 am

owlice wrote:
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Post by Céline Richard » Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:24 pm

Thank you a lot Art Neufer :D
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