APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

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APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by APOD Robot » Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:06 am

Image Quarter Moon and Sister Stars

Explanation: Nine days ago, two quite different sky icons were imaged rising together. Specifically, Earth's Moon shared the eastern sky with the sister stars of the Pleiades cluster, as viewed from Alberta, Canada. Astronomical images of the well-known Pleiades often show the star cluster's alluring blue reflection nebulas, but here they are washed-out by the orange moonrise sky. The half-lit Moon, known as a quarter moon, is overexposed, although the outline of the dim lunar night side can be seen by illuminating earthshine, light first reflected from the Earth. The featured image is a composite of eight successive exposures with brightnesses adjusted to match what the human eye would see. The Moon passes nearly -- or directly -- in front of the Pleaides once a month.

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by SeedsofEarfth » Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 am

Isn't that a half moon?

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by gmPhil » Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:35 am

SeedsofEarfth wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 am Isn't that a half moon?
Came to ask the same thing. It is half of a "full moon", so surely...

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:43 am

SeedsofEarfth wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 am Isn't that a half moon?
It was a "third quarter moon". Not "quarter" by itself, and certainly commonly called "half".
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by johnnydeep » Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:43 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:43 am
SeedsofEarfth wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 am Isn't that a half moon?
It was a "third quarter moon". Not "quarter" by itself, and certainly commonly called "half".
I think of it as although it's face is half lit from our perspective, it's deemed a quarter moon since it's a quarter of the way through a full cycle of phases:

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:48 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:43 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:43 am
SeedsofEarfth wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:17 am Isn't that a half moon?
It was a "third quarter moon". Not "quarter" by itself, and certainly commonly called "half".
I think of it as although it's face is half lit from our perspective, it's deemed a quarter moon since it's a quarter of the way through a full cycle of phases:

Except in this case it's three quarters of the way through a full cycle. It's a waning moon.
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Post by Why cats? » Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:29 pm

I expected the link in the text to “eight successive” exposures to show those eight individual images instead of a picture of eight cats. Any explanation?

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by johnnydeep » Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:17 pm

Why cats? wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:29 pm I expected the link in the text to “eight successive” exposures to show those eight individual images instead of a picture of eight cats. Any explanation?
It meant to be humorous. Yes, it's true, even astrophotographers and astronomers have a sense of humor. There are often such links to "cute" cat or dog images left as happy surprises for the serious minded.
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by johnnydeep » Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:19 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:48 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:43 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:43 am

It was a "third quarter moon". Not "quarter" by itself, and certainly commonly called "half".
I think of it as although it's face is half lit from our perspective, it's deemed a quarter moon since it's a quarter of the way through a full cycle of phases:

Except in this case it's three quarters of the way through a full cycle. It's a waning moon.
Well, it marks one of the four natural quarter positions around the circle of moon phases. But I phrased it badly in my first post.
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:24 pm

johnnydeep wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:19 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:48 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:43 pm

I think of it as although it's face is half lit from our perspective, it's deemed a quarter moon since it's a quarter of the way through a full cycle of phases:

Except in this case it's three quarters of the way through a full cycle. It's a waning moon.
Well, it marks one of the four natural quarter positions around the circle of moon phases. But I phrased it badly in my first post.
I think that calling this a "quarter moon", as phrased in the caption, is poor wording and likely to confuse. I don't think anybody would go outside and see this moon and call it a quarter moon. Most people would say it's a half moon, and people who are more technical would say it's a third-quarter moon.
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by johnnydeep » Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:33 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:24 pm
johnnydeep wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:19 pm
Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 1:48 pm

Except in this case it's three quarters of the way through a full cycle. It's a waning moon.
Well, it marks one of the four natural quarter positions around the circle of moon phases. But I phrased it badly in my first post.
I think that calling this a "quarter moon", as phrased in the caption, is poor wording and likely to confuse. I don't think anybody would go outside and see this moon and call it a quarter moon. Most people would say it's a half moon, and people who are more technical would say it's a third-quarter moon.
Yeah. And I guess calling the full moon a second quarter moon, and the new moon a fourth quarter moon doesn't help clarify things much. 😉
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Ann » Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:42 pm

Why cats? wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:29 pm I expected the link in the text to “eight successive” exposures to show those eight individual images instead of a picture of eight cats. Any explanation?
One cat. Two cats. Three cats. Two more cats, and maybe four.

And Bastet, the cat goddess of Egypt, with the Sun and the Moon.


And of course, then there is the Moon and the Pleiades, minus any cats.


Frank Vincentz' photo is an edited version of this photo, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File ... y_disk.jpg.

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by johnnydeep » Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:07 pm

As for the Nebra Sky Disk, sadly, the ridged circular arc at the bottom is apparently not the mirror from a long lost reflecting telescope, but the "solar boat" of the Sun deity!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity#Solar_boats wrote:The Sun was sometimes envisioned as traveling through the sky in a boat. A prominent example is the solar barque used by Ra in ancient Egyptian mythology.[8] The Neolithic concept of a "solar barge" (also "solar bark", "solar barque", "solar boat" and "sun boat", a mythological representation of the Sun riding in a boat) is found in the later myths of ancient Egypt, with Ra and Horus. Several Egyptian kings were buried with ships that may have been intended to symbolize the solar barque,[9] including the Khufu ship that was buried at the foot of the Great Pyramid of Giza.[10]
And:

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Chris Peterson » Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:09 pm

Ann wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:42 pm
Why cats? wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:29 pm I expected the link in the text to “eight successive” exposures to show those eight individual images instead of a picture of eight cats. Any explanation?
And of course, then there is the Moon and the Pleiades, minus any cats.

Surely I see the Cheshire Cat in there.

Cats are very in now. Apparently America is just swarming with childless cat ladies!
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Ann » Tue Sep 03, 2024 6:01 pm

Chris Peterson wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 4:09 pm
Ann wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 3:42 pm
Why cats? wrote: Tue Sep 03, 2024 2:29 pm I expected the link in the text to “eight successive” exposures to show those eight individual images instead of a picture of eight cats. Any explanation?
And of course, then there is the Moon and the Pleiades, minus any cats.

Surely I see the Cheshire Cat in there.
Well, there are some similarities...

Cats are very in now. Apparently America is just swarming with childless cat ladies!

Indeed, there are many cat ladies, and apparently even more cat ladies' cats...

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Guest » Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:45 pm

The arc on the Nebra disk is not a boat, it is the path of the star Vega near the winter solstice.

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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:54 pm

Guest wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 4:45 pm The arc on the Nebra disk is not a boat, it is the path of the star Vega near the winter solstice.
Nobody knows exactly what all the elements on the disk are.
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Re: APOD: Quarter Moon and Sister Stars (2024 Sep 03)

Post by Guest » Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:12 pm

All elements are explained at dcwalley.com/sky-disc. Seems convincing.

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Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:27 pm

Guest wrote: Fri Sep 06, 2024 2:12 pm All elements are explained at dcwalley.com/sky-disc. Seems convincing.
Not at all. It seems like one plausible hypothesis, of several.
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