APOD: Roadster, Starman, Planet Earth (2018 Feb 10)

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APOD: Roadster, Starman, Planet Earth (2018 Feb 10)

Post by APOD Robot » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:11 am

Image Roadster, Starman, Planet Earth

Explanation: Don't panic. It's just a spacesuited mannequin named Starman. As the sunlit crescent of planet Earth recedes in the background, Starman is comfortably seated at the wheel of a Tesla Roadster in this final image of the payload launched by a Falcon Heavy rocket on February 6. Internationally designated 2018-017A, roadster and Starman are headed for space beyond the orbit of Mars. The successful Falcon Heavy rocket has now become the most powerful rocket in operation and the roadster one of four electric cars launched from planet Earth. The other three were launched to the Moon by historically more powerful (but not reusable) Saturn V rockets. Still, Starman's roadster is probably the only one that would be considered street legal.

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Post by RocketRon » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:22 am

APOD Robot wrote:Still, Starman's roadster is probably the only one that would be considered street lega
There aren't too many roads where it is headed though ?

One glorious gesture, or a substitute for ballast .
Just why would you shoot a car at Mars, and then miss by a very large margin !!

That will probably be the defining quircky moment of a civilisation headed off the rails (?),
when history looks back at itself from some future epoch ?
Or the start of a space empire like no other ...

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:37 am

RocketRon wrote:That will probably be the defining quircky moment of a civilisation headed off the rails (?),
when history looks back at itself from some future epoch ?
Maybe. Seems to me like the sort of nonsense that happens in a system that allows individuals and companies to make too much money.
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Post by RocketRon » Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:51 am

Quite so.
The NASA ethos of pure research seems to have been diluted somewhat, to say the least.
Paying passengers as space tourists indeed.??

But this was a test firing, where the usual payload would have been blocks of concrete,
so a little publicity - via an expired roadster - to fire the public's interest may not be that harmful.
We'll await and watch for future plans and developments and directions with interest.

However, it may be worth keeping in mind that this launch was a of a rocket that has the technology to land itself.
So will we see an announcement in 5 or 6 months that a Tesla has been delivered to the surface of Mars.
Perhaps not, if the reports of the wayward navigation were true.
But....

If all the fuel has been expended, of course, then no chance.

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Post by neufer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:40 am

RocketRon wrote:
APOD Robot wrote:
Still, Starman's roadster is probably the only one that would be considered street legal.
There aren't too many roads where it is headed though ?
  • Roads? Where it's going, it doesn't need roads.
RocketRon wrote:
One glorious gesture, or a substitute for ballast .
Just why would you shoot a car at Mars, and then miss by a very large margin !!
https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission/technology/insituexploration/planetaryprotection/ wrote:
<<In the study of whether Mars has had environments conducive to life, precautions are taken against introducing microbes from Earth. The United States is a signatory to an international treaty that stipulates that exploration must be conducted in a manner that avoids of the transportation of living organisms to celestial bodies. One reason to avoid that is simple: we wouldn't want to go to Mars and "discover" life - only to figure out later that we brought it with us! Scientists also want to study the planet and any life that might be there in its original "pristine state."

The primary strategy for preventing the transportation of Earth organisms to Mars is to be sure that the hardware intended to reach the planet is clean. The Mars Science Laboratory Rover complies with requirements to carry a total of no more than 300,000 bacterial spores on any surface from which the spores could get into the martian environment. Many of the techniques for cleaning spacecraft surfaces and then checking them for biological cleanliness have been used successfully for many years and work very well.>>
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Post by Ann » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:31 am

Click to play embedded YouTube video.
No, not another boring space launch! Bart pulls the plug on the TV to save himself and Homer from having to watch another pointless space launch whose applications will be anything from watch making to watch repair.
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Spectators cheer as they watch the launch of Falcon Heavy. Go, Starman, go! :arrow:

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Re: APOD: Roadster, Starman, Planet Earth (2018 Feb 10)

Post by Antony Rawlinson » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:27 am

RocketRon wrote: But this was a test firing, where the usual payload would have been blocks of concrete,
Thanks for this explanation. I thought the world - or at least NASA - had gone mad.

Why didn't they think of making Bertrand Russell's teapot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot a reality if they felt like playing games - or has that been done?

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Post by De58te » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:09 am

Antony Rawlinson wrote:
RocketRon wrote: But this was a test firing, where the usual payload would have been blocks of concrete,
Thanks for this explanation. I thought the world - or at least NASA - had gone mad.
That's not NASA. Its Elon Musk and SpaceX

By the way, anybody noticed just after 4 hours the roadster 'windshield' (the helmet actually) has already been hit by a 'space bug'? In the live video in the link of '2018-017A' at the beginning of the vid the side of Starman's helmet just below the small black dot, is pristine, but very near the end of the 4 hour video, the helmet has a white bug splat on it. And just when you thought that the vacuum of space is empty.

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Post by JohnD » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:08 am

What an overwhelming example of self-aggrandisement!
Elon Musk launched a useless, worn out car and a dummy, when surely he could have offered the launch for a scientific package?

BUT, video of the boosters landing again for reuse inspred me! PROPER spaceships, at last!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otfBviE1G3k

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Post by Boomer12k » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:15 am

De58te wrote:
Antony Rawlinson wrote:
RocketRon wrote: But this was a test firing, where the usual payload would have been blocks of concrete,
Thanks for this explanation. I thought the world - or at least NASA - had gone mad.
That's not NASA. Its Elon Musk and SpaceX

By the way, anybody noticed just after 4 hours the roadster 'windshield' (the helmet actually) has already been hit by a 'space bug'? In the live video in the link of '2018-017A' at the beginning of the vid the side of Starman's helmet just below the small black dot, is pristine, but very near the end of the 4 hour video, the helmet has a white bug splat on it. And just when you thought that the vacuum of space is empty.
That is not a "space bug"...it is a reflection...maybe off of the driver side mirror or dash...

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Post by The Beyonder » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:17 pm

Obviously Heavy Metal was the inspiration for all of this. It is straight out of the first few minutes of the movie.

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Post by orin stepanek » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Me thinks today APOD got a little giddy; and that's OK! A little humor is needed now and then! :D
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Post by neufer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:52 pm

JohnD wrote:
What an overwhelming example of self-aggrandisement!

Elon Musk launched a useless, worn out car and a dummy, when surely he could have offered the launch for a scientific package?
  • Self-advertisement & product placement.
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Post by Joules » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:07 pm

Is there a teapot in the trunk? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot
It'd be nice to finally get this Russell conundrum out of the way.

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Post by bystander » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:40 pm

JohnD wrote:
Elon Musk launched a useless, worn out car and a dummy, when surely he could have offered the launch for a scientific package?

What? and risk a billion dollar pay load on a "TEST" launch?
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Post by aildoux » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:42 pm

Cool.

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Post by NGC3314 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:52 pm

JohnD wrote:Elon Musk launched a useless, worn out car and a dummy, when surely he could have offered the launch for a scientific package?
I didn't feel so bad about it when word came in from a science writer at the launch that SpaceX had at least informally offered to include payloads from NASA and the USAF, but neither had one they thought appropriate. And Starman is a SpaceX spacesuit; one would hope they instrumented it to get useful nfrmaetion on how well it held pressure in vacuum...

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Post by neufer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:02 pm


Joules wrote:
Is there a teapot in the trunk?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

It'd be nice to finally get this Russell conundrum out of the way.
:arrow: Unless it was a Schrödinger's cat teapot.
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Post by richardschumacher » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Maybe there is a green teapot in the trunk. Can you prove there isn't? :_>

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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:18 pm

neufer wrote:Unless it was a Schrödinger's cat teapot.
That would be a cool teapot if it features a dead cat on the opposite side. I'd buy one.
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Post by HellCat » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:30 pm

I'm curious about this:
in this final image of the payload
What makes this "final?"

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Post by richardschumacher » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:12 pm

HellCat wrote:I'm curious about this:
in this final image of the payload
What makes this "final?"
The camera/transmitter batteries ran down, as expected. No other power source.

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Post by ta152h0 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:13 pm

This is an IFO. " Identified Flying Object ". Pass the ice cold one
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Post by JohnD » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:46 pm

bystander wrote:
JohnD wrote:
Elon Musk launched a useless, worn out car and a dummy, when surely he could have offered the launch for a scientific package?

What? and risk a billion dollar pay load on a "TEST" launch?
Depends. Not all payloads cost a billion. Lamented Beagle II cost 'only' £50 million - I looked for that because I knew it was done on the cheap.
Cubesats cost about $50K, WITH the launch, so a lot less to build

This might be the time for some enterprising person to set up a clearing house, seeking room on launches and offering them to universities and businesses. For a fee, of course.
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Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:48 pm

richardschumacher wrote:
HellCat wrote:I'm curious about this:
in this final image of the payload
What makes this "final?"
The camera/transmitter batteries ran down, as expected. No other power source.
The last image from the onboard camera. But the object is visible from telescopes on the ground. Not resolvable, but imageable.
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