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Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:18 am

I think that
The current theory about the origin if the Universe,
has in one part a semi-religious conception
In fact, who raised for the first time about the
primordial atom, the Big Bang and the expansion
of the Univrerse, was the astronomer and priest Lamaitre.
As regards the primordial atom, " the egg of the Universe",
the point of infinite density, it is a theological conception.
It is absurd to think that the Universe arose practically
from nothing, as if it were the product of a
" cosmic magic "
What do you think?

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:37 am

saturno2 wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:18 am I think that
The current theory about the origin if the Universe,
has in one part a semi-religious conception
In fact, who raised for the first time about the
primordial atom, the Big Bang and the expansion
of the Univrerse, was the astronomer and priest Lamaitre.
As regards the primordial atom, " the egg of the Universe",
the point of infinite density, it is a theological conception.
It is absurd to think that the Universe arose practically
from nothing, as if it were the product of a
" cosmic magic "
What do you think?
I think it is absurd to think that the Universe requires a "cause", since the idea of cause and effect is a property of the Universe itself, and like time and space, came into existence with the Universe.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by rstevenson » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm

I think the singularity named the Big Bang is more a function of the mathematics used to try to understand the early universe than a real thing. In a sense, once the math reaches a singularity it stops being descriptive, because not even math can say anything about nothing. No matter how elegant an answer it may be, nothing is nothing.

To insist now, given our relatively primitive state of knowledge about the early universe, that there was nothing “before” the singularity is itself a theological statement.

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:22 pm

rstevenson wrote: Fri Apr 15, 2022 4:04 pm I think the singularity named the Big Bang is more a function of the mathematics used to try to understand the early universe than a real thing. In a sense, once the math reaches a singularity it stops being descriptive, because not even math can say anything about nothing. No matter how elegant an answer it may be, nothing is nothing.

To insist now, given our relatively primitive state of knowledge about the early universe, that there was nothing “before” the singularity is itself a theological statement.

Rob
Not at all. Regardless of any issues with singularities, we do understand quite well that space and time are properties of the Universe, and therefore the concept of "before" is meaningless.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:36 am

About this topic, two great school of thought
are opened.
The first school of thought support that
the Universe arose with the Big Bang,
from a point of infinite density.
Before the Big Bang there was nothing.
This theory is "armored" and somewhat dogmatic.
The second school of thought support that
before Big Bang there was matter, space and
time .
My vote for second school.

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:55 am

saturno2 wrote: Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:36 am About this topic, two great school of thought
are opened.
The first school of thought support that
the Universe arose with the Big Bang,
from a point of infinite density.
Before the Big Bang there was nothing.
This theory is "armored" and somewhat dogmatic.
The second school of thought support that
before Big Bang there was matter, space and
time .
My vote for second school.
The first is supported by multiple independent lines of empirical evidence. The latter by none (which is why no such "school" really exists in the scientific community). It's not a matter of voting.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Wed May 04, 2022 11:33 pm

(Second school of thought)
Penrose support that the Universe is cyclical
That the Big Bang was not origin of time
Occur Big Bang periodically. The time interval
between one Big Bang and the next is called an eon.
Penrose support an eternal Universe ( In absolute terms,
the Universe is neither created nor disappears) .

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed May 04, 2022 11:55 pm

saturno2 wrote: Wed May 04, 2022 11:33 pm (Second school of thought)
Penrose support that the Universe is cyclical
That the Big Bang was not origin of time
Occur Big Bang periodically. The time interval
between one Big Bang and the next is called an eon.
Penrose support an eternal Universe ( In absolute terms,
the Universe is neither created nor disappears) .
Pure speculation, though, unsupported by any evidence at all... and at this point, untestable, and therefore not even a valid hypothesis.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Wed May 11, 2022 1:15 am

( Second school of thought)
In this school there are very bold theories-
One of them support que in the Big Bang arose
the Universe with positive time and at the same
time an anti-universe with negative time, back wards.
It support that when a particle arises, it is anti-particle
is created.
Anti-universe Time iqual 0 Universe
negative time Big Bang positive time

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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by Chris Peterson » Wed May 11, 2022 1:19 am

saturno2 wrote: Wed May 11, 2022 1:15 am ( Second school of thought)
In this school there are very bold theories-
One of them support que in the Big Bang arose
the Universe with positive time and at the same
time an anti-universe with negative time, back wards.
It support that when a particle arises, it is anti-particle
is created.
Anti-universe Time iqual 0 Universe
negative time Big Bang positive time
Why not go with leprechauns or fairies? Seriously, if you're willing to go with explanations that have zero evidence to support them, the sky is the limit.
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Re: Origin of the Universe

Post by saturno2 » Sun May 15, 2022 11:52 pm

I do not want to annoy the readers. Nothing of that.
But, what is the idea?
I think that the point of infinite density, where
the Universe originated, according to the current
Big Bang theory, is the " Aquiles heel " of this theory.
Indeed. I believe that no one has empirically
demostrated the existence of that initial point,
and therefore, it is a pure theorical and theological
speculation.